Relaxation of Restrictions, Part XI *Read OP For Mod Warnings*

_Kaiser_

pjohnson wrote: »

Most people do this with masks.

No, no they don't.

Until late summer last year masks were almost an unknown outside of medical facilities and some industries

pgj2015

TomSweeney wrote: »

Let them, again so long as it's not mandated by law.


Which is a genuine concern.

why is it such a big deal to have to wear a mask?

pgj2015

_Kaiser_ wrote: »

Nope, but like most normal people I get on with it for a week or so and I'm grand then for up to a year.

It's never once occurred to me that I should treat it as the plague. Why would it? It's an inconvenience but harmless to the vast majority of people.

This is what some seem to have forgotten. Life isn't a bubble.

Yes but before covid would you cough or sneeze on a bus or train without putting your hand up to your face?

pgj2015

_Kaiser_ wrote: »

No, no they don't.

Until late summer last year masks were almost an unknown outside of medical facilities and some industries

Yes but then we learned the benefit of wearing masks in a pandemic and so we wore them. idiots tried to avoid wearing them while other idiots wore them under their chin or nose.

Edz87

Edz87 wrote: »

The Chinese wear masks because of the filthy air quality. Saying it's for stopping the spread of a cold is laughable

The Chinese and Japanese habit of wearing masks on public transport started following Hong Kong flu

pjohnson

_Kaiser_ wrote: »

No, no they don't.

Until late summer last year masks were almost an unknown outside of medical facilities and some industries

So. Most normal people "just get on with it" and wear them.

GT89

pgj2015 wrote: »

maybe we could wear masks when we have colds, like the Chinese. You know think of other people for once and not be me feiners like most Irish people.

I was on a bus in Dublin about 2 years ago and group of about 30 Chinese tourists got on they all barged their way onto the bus and stood on the upper deck so to think the Irish are bunch of me feiners and the Chinese are lovely considerate people is a bit rich. None of them wore masks either.

_Kaiser_

pjohnson wrote: »

So. Most normal people "just get on with it" and wear them.

I think you're confusing grudging (legally mandated with penalties) compliance with acceptance.

As soon as the legal requirement is removed so too will the masks in almost all cases.

pgj2015

GT89 wrote: »

I was on a bus in Dublin about 2 years ago and group of about 30 Chinese tourists got on they all barged their way onto the bus and stood on the upper deck so to think the Irish are bunch of me feiners and the Chinese are lovely considerate people is a bit rich. None of them wore masks either.

Well they have a huge population, there are bound to be a few me feiners.

why would they be wearing masks 2 years ago? no pandemic then and maybe none of them had colds.

Deeper Blue

Why are we planning on running "pilot" outdoor sports events in 2 months time when this has already been done in the UK?

pgj2015

Deeper Blue wrote: »

Why are we planning on running "pilot" outdoor sports events in 2 months time when this has already been done in the UK?

Because we are Irish not British. obviously we have to conduct our own research, we are hardly going to trust theirs.

ceadaoin.

[Deleted User] wrote: »

The Chinese and Japanese habit of wearing masks on public transport started following Hong Kong flu

And it really stopped further pandemics from happening didn't it?

ceadaoin.

pgj2015 wrote: »

Yes but then we learned the benefit of wearing masks in a pandemic and so we wore them. idiots tried to avoid wearing them while other idiots wore them under their chin or nose.

Covid is airborne. A paper or cloth mask is not stopping it. Data from the US shows that mask mandates or not made little difference to cases. If it makes you feel better to continue wearing a mask after this go for it, but unless it's a properly fitted n95 or similar it ain't doing **** sorry.

Would you walk into a room filled with smallpox wearing just a blue surgical mask for protection and expect to be ok?

pgj2015

ceadaoin. wrote: »

Covid is airborne. A paper or cloth mask is not stopping it. If it makes you feel better to continue wearing a mask after this go for it, but unless it's a properly fitted n95 or similar it ain't doing **** sorry.

so if you have covid and we share a car to work, 10 minute trip, you coughing all the way. if we both have masks would you say I would catch covid off you?

ceadaoin.

pgj2015 wrote: »

so if you have covid and we share a car to work, 10 minute trip, you coughing all the way. if we both have masks would you say I would catch covid off you?

Yes I would say it would be highly likely that an infected person coughing out virus through a thin paper mask would infect people close by. But not a certainty obviously, as not every exposure results in infection.

pgj2015

ceadaoin. wrote: »

Yes

I dropped a friend for the covid test, she was coughing all the way, we both had masks on. She tested positive, I never got it.

we both had cloth masks on.

charlie14

So much for the usual naysayers here on restaurant/bar outdoor and indoor opening dates being put back or that we would not see international travel until after hell froze over. The only posters that got it right were the few who predicted that opening dates would more likely be brought forward as the outlook improves.

ceadaoin.

pgj2015 wrote: »

I dropped a friend for the covid test, she was coughing all the way, we both had masks on. She tested positive, I never got it.

we both had cloth masks on.

I edited my post. You were lucky in that case. As I said, not every exposure results in infection. I dont think masks are a miracle protector, and the data shows this.

Silentcorner

Deeper Blue wrote: »

Why are we planning on running "pilot" outdoor sports events in 2 months time when this has already been done in the UK?

Because we have suffered the longest strictest lock downs in Europe...why change gear now?

Nobody will challenge them, nobody will protest, we all just look on as the rest of the world progresses at a much more ambitious pace, it's been that way since the start of this catastrophe....

What will be interesting is what happens in late September!!!

paddyisreal

pgj2015 wrote: »

Because we are Irish not British. obviously we have to conduct our own research, we are hardly going to trust theirs.

So will ignore France, Germany, Holland, Spain, Britain etc who all have down this research already ?

Captain_Crash

pgj2015 wrote: »

I dropped a friend for the covid test, she was coughing all the way, we both had masks on. She tested positive, I never got it.

we both had cloth masks on.

The reality is there is no correlation between mask wearing and case numbers!! It’s good to know you tested negative despite your friend testing positive.... but it’s reasonable to assume that the fact you both wore a mask likely didn’t play a significant if any role in that!

titan18

pgj2015 wrote: »

I dropped a friend for the covid test, she was coughing all the way, we both had masks on. She tested positive, I never got it.

we both had cloth masks on.

And when you're vaccinated and she is, the chances of her passing it on or passing it on and making you I'll are negligible so why bother with the mask too.

pgj2015

ceadaoin. wrote: »

I edited my post. You were lucky in that case. As I said, not every exposure results in infection. I dont think masks are a miracle protector, and the data shows this.

You might be right but I think the masks do prevent people infecting others. I think my friend was in my car 3 times while having covid.

paddyisreal

charlie14 wrote: »

So much for the usual naysayers here on restaurant/bar outdoor and indoor opening dates being put back or that we would not see international travel until after hell froze over. The only posters that got it right were the few who predicted that opening dates would more likely be brought forward as the outlook improves.

Still a country Miles behind every other country in Europe. Remind me again why are we the LAST country in Europe to open outdoor dining , cinemas, indoor dining ???

ceadaoin.

ceadaoin. wrote: »

And it really stopped further pandemics from happening didn't it?

I never said it would or should. Some people made personal choices to wear masks after Hong Kong flu as is their prerogative. Most continued as normal

pgj2015

titan18 wrote: »

And when you're vaccinated and she is, the chances of her passing it on or passing it on and making you I'll are negligible so why bother with the mask too.

We were just talking about the effectiveness of wearing masks, not about the future when we are both vaccinated.

average_runner

titan18 wrote: »

And when you're vaccinated and she is, the chances of her passing it on or passing it on and making you I'll are negligible so why bother with the mask too.

Makes sense to wear the mask on a wet day on Dublin bus or dart.

Will help ease the spread of cold etc, less sick days for companies and better for the economy

pgj2015

Captain_Crash wrote: »

The reality is there is no correlation between mask wearing and case numbers!! It’s good to know you tested negative despite your friend testing positive.... but it’s reasonable to assume that the fact you both wore a mask likely didn’t play a significant if any role in that!

Really? I thought it was a highly transmissible disease? we were in a small enclosed space and she was coughing.

Cal4567

pgj2015 wrote: »

Because we are Irish not British. obviously we have to conduct our own research, we are hardly going to trust theirs.

That's a fairly parochial answer. The reality is our government is trying to act as if it's leading whereas just a cursory glance at the UK never mind the rest of Europe, if you have such a disdain for what the UK has done, you can see this has already been done and dusted.

Why we have to reinvent the wheel? Optics to look good to our public. A bit embarrassing really but not at all surprising. RTE lapping up is equally cringe worthy.

pgj2015

Cal4567 wrote: »

That's a fairly parochial answer. The reality is our government is trying to act as if it's leading whereas just a cursory glance at the UK never mind the rest of Europe, if you have such a disdain for what the UK has done, you can see this has already been done and dusted.

Why we have to reinvent the wheel? Optics to look good to our public. A bit embarrassing really but not at all surprising. RTE lapping up is equally cringe worthy.

We are very different nationalities, we act different to each other so this is why we have to do out own experiments. if we just copied them you would have people moaning that we should do our own experimental events. you cant win.