Relaxation of Restrictions, Part XI Read OP For Mod Warnings

PTH2009 · 26-05-2021 12:54AM

namloc1980 wrote: »

Dublin didn't make any decisions. The Irish government couldn't provide assurances on capacity. Whereas in Spain it was the Basque regional government who made the call, while the regional government in Seville said they could step in.

https://punditarena.com/football/daniel-hussey/taoiseach-micheal-martin-uefa-euro-2020/

The bizarre thing about it is MM is the leader of the country and he should of tried everything to keep the games in Dublin but nope 'its too dangerous and its UEFA that were wrong'

charlie14 · 26-05-2021 01:35AM

PTH2009 wrote: »

https://punditarena.com/football/daniel-hussey/taoiseach-micheal-martin-uefa-euro-2020/

The bizarre thing about it is MM is the leader of the country and he should of tried everything to keep the games in Dublin but nope 'its too dangerous and its UEFA that were wrong'

I find it bizarre that some believe we should have changed our health authority regulation to suit a bunch of carpetbaggers.
If the GAA, Irish soccer or rugby come along and looks for an extra twenty thousand in Croke Park or the Aviva above the limit should we also ignore regulation and allow it ?
We didn`t turn down EUFA. Here like Bilbao they refused to accept the conditions offered.

charlie14 · 26-05-2021 01:51AM

paddyisreal wrote: »

You or your merry men obviously don't have an answer. Now this is a fact

We are the only country in Europe at the moment without outdoor dining .

WHY ?

No point in repeating what has been said ad nauseam to have it ignored again.
Instead a simple question. You talk about an iota of sense.

Which makes that iota of sense ?

a) follow the tried and trusted where there is evidence to show it worked

b) follow countries that have tried it once and failed where, contrary to a), there is no evidence that they have it right this time either.

paddyisreal · 26-05-2021 05:21AM

charlie14 wrote: »

No point in repeating what has been said ad nauseam to have it ignored again.
Instead a simple question. You talk about an iota of sense.

Which makes that iota of sense ?

a) follow the tried and trusted where there is evidence to show it worked

b) follow countries that have tried it once and failed where, contrary to a), there is no evidence that they have it right this time either.

So the best yourself, gozunda , boggles and a few more can come up with between the whole lot of ye to justify why we are the only country in Europe WITHOUT outdoor dining is

1.. weather
2... Wait and see , all them countries are probably wrong.

for all the long essays and links at the end of the day none of ye can produce a valid reason for it.

Penfailed · 26-05-2021 06:05AM

paddyisreal wrote: »

We are the only country in Europe at the moment without outdoor dining .

WHY ?

Sure we've got indoor dining already. Just head to the bookies.

paddyisreal · 26-05-2021 08:17AM

Penfailed wrote: »

Sure we've got indoor dining already. Just head to the bookies.

I did laugh

Mantus · 26-05-2021 08:35AM

paddyisreal wrote: »

So the best yourself, gozunda , boggles and a few more can come up with between the whole lot of ye to justify why we are the only country in Europe WITHOUT outdoor dining is

1.. weather
2... Wait and see , all them countries are probably wrong.

for all the long essays and links at the end of the day none of ye can produce a valid reason for it.

There is no valid reason to stop outdoor dining.

NEPHET don’t want it, their mission is no covid. The governments job is to protect health and society, but they have abdicated running of the country, won’t take any hard decisions and leave it all to NEPHET.

Boggles · 26-05-2021 08:55AM

PTH2009 wrote: »

https://punditarena.com/football/daniel-hussey/taoiseach-micheal-martin-uefa-euro-2020/

The bizarre thing about it is MM is the leader of the country and he should of tried everything to keep the games in Dublin but nope 'its too dangerous and its UEFA that were wrong'

Why?

Ireland isn't even in the tournament, it would have be a stripped down costly damp spectacle which would have led understandably to other sports organisations demanding the same level playing field.

Also this new upside down world where an organisation like UEFA are being held up as a bastion of righteous and who should get to dictate our public health policy during a once in a generation pandemic is a rabbit hole some may not return from.

It is indeed bizarre times.

TomSweeney · 26-05-2021 09:40AM

https://english.elpais.com/society/2021-05-25/two-weeks-after-end-of-state-of-alarm-in-spain-fall-in-coronavirus-incidence-continues-but-at-a-slightly-slower-pace.html

Good article, so almost 3 weeks after the lifting of the state of alarm in Spain and did it see spikes due to this ?

No!! shock horror!!! "Epidemiologists had feared it though - really?? which ones? - ones that work for the Karachi medical gazzette ?

Graham · 26-05-2021 09:47AM

TomSweeney wrote: »

https://english.elpais.com/society/2021-05-25/two-weeks-after-end-of-state-of-alarm-in-spain-fall-in-coronavirus-incidence-continues-but-at-a-slightly-slower-pace.html

Good article, so almost 3 weeks after the lifting of the state of alarm in Spain and did it see spikes due to this ?
No!! shock horror!!! "Epidemiologists had feared it though - really?? which ones? - ones that work for the Karachi medical gazzette ?

but ending the state of alarm doesn't mean removing all restrictions everywhere does it?

no

copeyhagen · 26-05-2021 09:50AM

Graham wrote: »

but ending the state of alarm doesn't mean removing all restrictions everywhere does it?
no

are masks still madantory outdoor at the moment? ill be there in July and while we done it for 3 weeks last Summer and didnt mind, it would be a breath of fresh air (literally) if we didnt need em.

Graham · 26-05-2021 10:10AM

copeyhagen wrote: »

are masks still madantory outdoor at the moment? ill be there in July and while we done it for 3 weeks last Summer and didnt mind, it would be a breath of fresh air (literally) if we didnt need em.

I think masks are still mandatory outdoors.

Most recent update I came across on the Spanish outdoor mask rule was about a week ago;

The government’s chief epidemiologist would reconsider the rule if the epidemiological data continues to improve and other restrictions stay in place.

I'll be chatting with someone in Spain later today, I'll ask them.

km79 · 26-05-2021 10:15AM

https://www.irishtimes.com/news/ireland/irish-news/publicans-set-to-oppose-time-limits-for-bars-and-restaurants-after-reopening-1.4574616

Publicans want time limit proposal scrapped
Restaurants want to be able to serve indoors at same time as hotels reopen

This may account for the delay in publishing proposals .....

Captain_Crash · 26-05-2021 10:16AM

copeyhagen wrote: »

are masks still madantory outdoor at the moment? ill be there in July and while we done it for 3 weeks last Summer and didnt mind, it would be a breath of fresh air (literally) if we didnt need em.

I’ve a few friends living in Spain and judging by their Instagram stories it seems that some people wear masks outside and others don’t. Not sure if it’s mandatory but if it is its hardly being enforced! (They’re in Madrid and one in the Canaries)

gozunda · 26-05-2021 10:21AM

paddyisreal wrote: »

So the best yourself, gozunda , boggles and a few more can come up with between the whole lot of ye to justify why we are the only country in Europe WITHOUT outdoor dining is

1.. weather
2... Wait and see , all them countries are probably wrong.

for all the long essays and links at the end of the day none of ye can produce a valid reason for it.

Paddy re the weather- you do know what humour is?

I presume you heard the news that outdoor dining is starting here soon or did you miss that as well?

Boggles · 26-05-2021 10:29AM

Mantus wrote: »

There is no valid reason to stop outdoor dining.

It's not being stopped, it's going ahead Monday week.

Mantus wrote: »

NEPHET don’t want it, their mission is no covid. The governments job is to protect health and society, but they have abdicated running of the country, won’t take any hard decisions and leave it all to NEPHET.

What's the extra E stand for?

But anyway no, NEEEPHEEET have routinely dismissed zero covid.

charlie14 · 26-05-2021 10:43AM

paddyisreal wrote: »

So the best yourself, gozunda , boggles and a few more can come up with between the whole lot of ye to justify why we are the only country in Europe WITHOUT outdoor dining is

1.. weather
2... Wait and see , all them countries are probably wrong.

for all the long essays and links at the end of the day none of ye can produce a valid reason for it.

You really are not interested in any answers that do not suit are you Paddy!

Not only have you chosen to ignore what was posted here previously, you are now ignoring questions put to you by coming up with your own questions and answering them.

I`ll leave you at it.

paddyisreal · 26-05-2021 10:47AM

charlie14 wrote: »

You really are not interested in any answers that do not suit are you Paddy!

Not only have you chosen to ignore what was posted here previously, you are now ignoring questions put to you by coming up with your own questions and answering them.

I`ll leave you at it.

So you and a few others don't have any answer....
Thanks for the clarification.

26-05-2021 10:49AM

TomSweeney wrote: »

https://english.elpais.com/society/2021-05-25/two-weeks-after-end-of-state-of-alarm-in-spain-fall-in-coronavirus-incidence-continues-but-at-a-slightly-slower-pace.html

Good article, so almost 3 weeks after the lifting of the state of alarm in Spain and did it see spikes due to this ?
No!! shock horror!!! "Epidemiologists had feared it though - really?? which ones? - ones that work for the Karachi medical gazzette ?

Its almost as if there is something else going on that is helping to prevent spread, some sort of mass programme that gives people immunity as well as residual measures. Or is that just fanciful

Dempo1 · 26-05-2021 10:50AM

This might not cheer up those in a rush to relax things

https://www.rte.ie/news/coronavirus/2021/0526/1223931-coronavirus-australia/

paddyisreal · 26-05-2021 10:50AM

gozunda wrote: »

Paddy re the weather- you do know what humour is?

I presume you heard the news that outdoor dining is starting here soon or did you miss that as well?

Humour does not hide the fact we are going to be at least 3 weeks behind every country in Europe in opening outdoor dining .

I was asking for a reason why but surprise surprise none of ye have an answer.

I've determined no matter what guidance the government give a few here will try an justify it.

We will leave it at that

FlubberJones · 26-05-2021 10:55AM

Dempo1 wrote: »

This might not cheer up those in a rush to relax things

https://www.rte.ie/news/coronavirus/2021/0526/1223931-coronavirus-australia/

I'm sure these things will happen when things improve, hardly a disaster and if people want to live in fear and dread at that stage they should isolate themselves. The frail and the vulnerable can do the same also... anyone else should be able to relax.

Widescreen · 26-05-2021 10:58AM

probably would be disaster at current vaccination levels,

gozunda · 26-05-2021 11:26AM

paddyisreal wrote: »

Humour does not hide the fact we are going to be at least 3 weeks behind every country in Europe in opening outdoor dining .I was asking for a reason why but surprise surprise none of ye have an answer.
I've determined no matter what guidance the government give a few here will try an justify it.
We will leave it at that

Well it was humour nothing else. But I see others have explained - but you don't seem to like the answers.

Why not ask why Spain is behind with mask wearing, or why Norway has only started to open its borders yesterday? Hint. Its not a competition.

And btw its not three weeks. Outdoor starts on the 7th June.

OwenM · 26-05-2021 11:31AM

Dempo1 wrote: »

This might not cheer up those in a rush to relax things

https://www.rte.ie/news/coronavirus/2021/0526/1223931-coronavirus-australia/

Based on what? Australia has about 10% of the population vaccinated, a lot less than us. Worry, worry, worry.....

What are you going to worry about in August when this is all behind us?

ArthurDayne · 26-05-2021 11:41AM

Dempo1 wrote: »

This might not cheer up those in a rush to relax things

https://www.rte.ie/news/coronavirus/2021/0526/1223931-coronavirus-australia/

This was always the risk that Australia was going to run. The Zero Covid policy they pursued clearly has its advantages — but the drawback is that they have a population where Covid exposure has been minimised and, particularly with more infectious variants now at play globally, an outbreak could really rip through their populated areas. They are also now in their flu season, which tends to peak in August, so one imagines the risk of Covid outbreaks will remain a constant cause for vigilance and mitigation for Australia in the months to come.

The fact that the virus has waved through Ireland a few times, combined with the vaccination rollout, means that the happenings in Australia as regards Covid are probably not overly instructive for us.

deckie66 · 26-05-2021 11:44AM

Dempo1 wrote: »

This might not cheer up those in a rush to relax things

https://www.rte.ie/news/coronavirus/2021/0526/1223931-coronavirus-australia/

The big difference is that we are reopening gradually with a vaccinated population

charlie14 · 26-05-2021 11:53AM

paddyisreal wrote: »

So you and a few others don't have any answer....
Thanks for the clarification.

I believe it`s obvious at this stage Paddy that similar to indoor dining in bookies, no answer or clarification is going to make even the slightest difference to the narrative in your own head.

charlie14 · 26-05-2021 12:04PM

Dempo1 wrote: »

This might not cheer up those in a rush to relax things

https://www.rte.ie/news/coronavirus/2021/0526/1223931-coronavirus-australia/

Australia has very low vaccination levels and this just shows that there really is not alternative too vaccines.
If anything I would see it as an example to others on trying to run before first learning to walk.

Utopia Parkway · 26-05-2021 12:14PM

Glad to see that places can open and trade but personally I'd have no interest in visiting anywhere under these conditions. Which might be half the point.

Multiple tables cannot be booked indoors
No parties/ social gatherings are permitted indoors
Table service only.
Physical distancing of 2 metres should be maintained between tables unless there have been mitigation procedures taken
Physical distancing of 1 metre is required between the outer edges of the party (back of chair to back of chair)
Contact tracing, ventilation and enhanced hygiene measures must be adhered to
Measures to control noise levels. e.g. no live/loud music permitted.
Face coverings/masks must be worn by customers at all times other than when sitting at their table.
Employees wear face coverings/masks at all times
Patrons must have vacated the licensed premises by 11.30pm.

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Relaxation of Restrictions, Part XI Read OP For Mod Warnings