Eurovision Song Contest 2021

23-05-2021 2:16pm

ACitizenErased wrote: »

The drug talk is nonsensical to be quite honest

Yup, not a lick of logic to it.

odyssey06 · 23-05-2021 2:16pm

Welsh Megaman wrote: »

Anybody think Italy only won out of sympathy, as they were the country hit worst by the pandemic last year?

Nope... the poor Spanish lad didnt get much of a sympathy vote.

The Italians won cos they sent a formidable act who has already won San Remo and used to playing big gigs across Europe. You could see they were thriving on the big stage.

archfi · 23-05-2021 2:19pm

Welsh Megaman wrote: »

Anybody think Italy only won out of sympathy, as they were the country hit worst by the pandemic last year?

Nope.
i mean the Norway guy showing his ticking Tourette's symptoms and the Spanish guy telling the world the song was 'for my mom, my mom's dead' live on stage didn't work out.
Thankfully, ESC doesn't depend on blubbery backstories or virtue signalling, at least without a fairly decent tune and performance to back it up - and hopefully never will!

QueenRizla · 23-05-2021 2:23pm

Welsh Megaman wrote: »

Anybody think Italy only won out of sympathy, as they were the country hit worst by the pandemic last year?

No

HeidiHeidi · 23-05-2021 2:26pm

Welsh Megaman wrote: »

Anybody think Italy only won out of sympathy, as they were the country hit worst by the pandemic last year?

Have to say, that never even occurred to me.

penny piper · 23-05-2021 2:33pm

naufragos123 wrote: »

I also think it's brilliant that none of the top songs were in English and that an Italian song actually won. There are brilliant music industries in Europe in the European languages. Great to break away from the domination of English. Especially when ironically, the two English speaking countries in Europe have performed so dismally of recent years. And add Australia to them this year.

I don't think it's "brilliant" that none of the top songs were in English. It's primarilty designed to be a song writing competition and when you can't even understand the lyrics that's not great.
Wasn't the idea originally of the Eurovision song contest to sing in your own language?..but it was found that the English singing entries seemed to do better in the results, most likely due to the fact alot of participants want to forge international careers and what other language to speak/sing in only english.

23-05-2021 2:35pm

Galwayguy35 wrote: »

Sinead O Connor is wondering over on Twitter why she was never asked to represent Ireland, her views on some things might be off the wall but she sure can sing.

I think there might be a few countries still who would be offended when she'd tear up a picture of the pope at the end of her song

MisterAnarchy · 23-05-2021 2:36pm

reniwren wrote: »

I found most entrants were not able to sing the song they recorded, especially the likes of UK and Ireland who are too reliant on pitch correction in post production.

Thats a good point, thought that myself, alot of the live vocals were poor.
There was a huge difference between the studio and live version.

I'm disappointed that Italy won, its a very mediocre song.
A knock off White Stripes attempt that has no chorus.

The enjoyment of the competition has diminished alot in latter years, the outcome is just so predictable.
The bookies were right yet again, there is very little surprise or suspense when the favourite continually wins.

How do the bookies get it right so often, is it based on Spotify plays, Youtube views, single sales etc.
They seem to have a fool proof algorithm.

odyssey06 · 23-05-2021 2:36pm

It would be nice to get a translation into english option on the broadcast... even for some of the songs supposedly in english!

Kewreeuss · 23-05-2021 2:38pm

Welsh Megaman wrote: »

Anybody think Italy only won out of sympathy, as they were the country hit worst by the pandemic last year?

I don’t either, do you? Or are you just being polemical?

-=al=- · 23-05-2021 2:39pm

Italy winning for that reason came across my mind, but not so sure it holds anything. The Lithuania song about dancing at home on your own, it was pretty relevant!

Portugal's final lyric to their song was "Maybe not tonight" doesn't exactly inspire confidence as a winning song either, but surely doesn't really impact the points?

There was a few folks that made the songs personal with their stories but it didn't really seem to translate into points.

A strong performance usually wins regardless of the backstories

freshpopcorn · 23-05-2021 2:39pm

odyssey06 wrote: »

It would be nice to get a translation into english option on the broadcast... even for some of the songs supposedly in english!

They don’t know what I’m talking about
You’re dirty, bros, full of mud
Cig stains between your fingers
Me with a cig walkingI’m sorry but I really believe
That I can make this jump
Even if the road is uphill
That’s why I’m training now
And good evening ladies and gentlemen
Get the actors out
You’d better touch your nuts
(Eurovision version: You better not make any more mistakes)
You better shut up and be quiet

People here are strange like drug dealers
I’ve been locked out too many nights
Now I’m gonna kick the doorways
Lookin’ up like a climber

So excuse me, mom, for staying out all the time
I’m crazy but different from them
And you’re out of your mind but different from them
We’re out of our minds but different from them
We’re out of our minds but different from them

Me
I’ve written pages and pages
I’ve seen salt then tears
These men in the car
Don’t climb the rapids

Written on a tombstone
In my house there is no God
But if you find the sense of time
You will rise from your oblivion

And no wind can stop
The natural power
From the right point of view
Of the wind you feel the thrill

With wax wings on your back
I’ll seek out that height
If you want to stop me try again
Try cutting off my head

Because
I’m out of my mind but different from them
And you’re out of your mind but different from them
We’re out of our minds but different from them
We’re out of our minds but different from them

People talk unfortunately
They talk, they don’t know what they’re talking about
Take me where I’m floating
I’m short of air here

People are talking unfortunately
They talk, they don’t know what they are talking about
Take me where I am floating
I’m short of air here

People are talking unfortunately
They talk, they don’t know what the f**k they’re talking about
(Eurovision version: They don’t know what they’re talking about)
Take me where I’m floating
I’m short of air here

But I’m out of my mind but different from them
And you’re out of your mind but different from them
We’re out of our minds but different from them
We’re out of our minds but different from them
We’re different from them

fryup · 23-05-2021 2:51pm

Deleted User wrote: »

I reckon his buddy was only giving him the gentle nudge to let him know he was on camera.

through his grited teeth...

"you're on camera stop sortin FFS!"

Mad_maxx · 23-05-2021 2:51pm

Kunta Kinte wrote: »

One of the best winning songs in many years actually.

If it was the guy at the piano who performed prior to the voting results last night ?

I thought it was utter rubbish

Welsh Megaman · 23-05-2021 2:55pm

Kewreeuss wrote: »

I don’t either, do you? Or are you just being polemical?

No, I think Italy definitely deserved it.

Just some people on social media have suggested it could be a sympathy vote.

Wrongway1985 · 23-05-2021 2:56pm

penny piper wrote: »

I don't think it's "brilliant" that none of the top songs were in English. It's primarilty designed to be a song writing competition and when you can't even understand the lyrics that's not great.

That's your preference a lot of people simply don't need to be a linguist to enjoy what they deem an earworm.

Countless songs in English have nonsense or incomprehensible lyrics that even though you know what is being said you don't need to evaluate them too hard when overall the song delivers without much thought.

fryup · 23-05-2021 3:02pm

^^^^^^

and most of them use every english cliche in the book

Welsh Megaman · 23-05-2021 4:51pm

Really enjoyed last night’s show, and this thread was hilarious (of course).

I was gutted that Ukraine didn’t win, and that Denmark didn’t qualify for the final.

I was also surprised that Malta didn’t do as well as predicted.

Once again, hats off to The Netherlands for putting on a great show despite the circumstances.

Beechwoodspark · 23-05-2021 4:54pm

Sienad o connor would be awful

Drama queen, very high maintenance. Constantly looking for attention

She’d probably stop her performance to do some sort of bs statement rather than , y’know, actually singing the damn song ...

It’s a no from me Bob

23-05-2021 4:54pm

Apologies if this has been posted already, but thought it was interesting to see from the breakdown of the televote that the top three with the public - Italy, Ukraine and France - got at least one point from every country. Italy didn't even get any 1's - their lowest score was 2 points, from the Netherlands.

Finland finished 4th with the public and only one country (Georgia) gave them no points.

So the public definitely had clear favourites this year!

Looking at Ireland, was very surprised to see UK coming in 21st with the Irish televote; we've given the Brits at least one point for worse songs than that before! The Irish public and jury agreed on the rankings for Cyprus (13th), Israel (20th) and Albania (26th/last). The biggest differences were Italy (5th in televote, 17th in jury), Finland (6th in televote, 24th in jury) and Belgium (24th in televote, 8th in jury).

Mr.Nice Guy · 23-05-2021 4:57pm

Thought the Italian song was absolute rubbish. I would have liked Switzerland to win it.

Beechwoodspark · 23-05-2021 5:01pm

reap-a-rat wrote: »

Imagine something like Mandinka, would be unreal and would go down really well. She's bat****, no denying it, but she's a serious singer and I've not seen her live but can only assume she's a polished performer.

Eh what
Have you seen her in the last few years?

Her mandinka days from nigh on 40 years ago are well over

odyssey06 · 23-05-2021 5:06pm

Some consolation prizes for France and Switzerland as voted by the accredited media, commentators and composers...

The 2021 Marcel Bezençon Press Award went to France’s Barbara Pravi with Voilà.
The Artistic Award also went to Barbara Pravi.
The 2021 Marcel Bezençon Composer Award went to Switzerland’s Gjon’s Tears

https://eurovision.tv/story/marcel-bezencon-awards-2021

Fandymo · 23-05-2021 5:22pm

juneg wrote: »

I love the Eurovision and watch it every year.
However I was very uncomfortable with the humiliation dished out to the UK act and the others who received zero points. That's no way to behave. The acts have worked hard done their very best and travelled a long road to be a laughing stock in front of millions.

Surely to God there is a more humane way of adding the public vote and the jury vote rather than the cruel way it was done.

I say next year we have no “winners” and just hand out “Congratulations on doing your best” awards to everyone.

Elmo · 23-05-2021 6:25pm

So I don't think the UK deserved 0 points, at least he took it well. It wasn't a great song but it wasn't the worst song either.

I did feel that their was a certain amount of neighbourly voting happening from the juries. Not that they were handing out 12 points to their neighbours but slightly lower down votes.

With that said I was disappointed that the Ukraine didn't win, Italy's song wasn't bad but I didn't think the public would vote for it so much.

I was disappointed for Belgium, they did so well with juries then very little from the public vote.

I was surprised Russia didn't do better.

I think the semi-finals need to be voted upon by the big five and last years winning country juries to split them to allow them have a better split.

All even number on night one and all odd numbers on night two, this would at least give you 10 good songs on each night.

As for Ireland.... worse result for us... she didn't perform well on the night but I don't think it deserved last place but perhaps I am bias.

San Mario's plan didn't work out for them. TBH I thought them luck to get to the final. But what do I know of the Eurovision when both semi-finals are evenly divided between the top ten finalist and the both ten.

But the 6 non-semi-finals only France did well ... And it did as well from the Juries as it did from the voters... where are our neighbours now?

KathleenGrant · 23-05-2021 6:48pm

Elmo wrote: »

But the 6 non-semi-finals only France did well ... And it did as well from the Juries as it did from the voters... where are our neighbours now?

Italy were not in semi-final either.

DebDynamite · 23-05-2021 6:50pm

Well done to Netherlands for giving us a great show. You would never know from looking at it that we we just emerging from a global pandemic.

According to Graham Norton, Netherlands are still under quite strict restrictions. I feel sorry for them in that they had to put on just as high quality show as ever, but had the extra headache of having to test everyone, and have all these safety measures in place, etc. They had to do more hard work than anyone but didn’t have the pay off of visiting fans and all the revenue they bring and the usual buzz around the city for Eurovision week. Hard to believe that there was only 3.5 thousand in the audience - it looked and sounded like a full house.

Strazdas · 23-05-2021 6:53pm

Beechwoodspark wrote: »

Sienad o connor would be awful

Drama queen, very high maintenance. Constantly looking for attention

She’d probably stop her performance to do some sort of bs statement rather than , y’know, actually singing the damn song ...

It’s a no from me Bob

Also, it would detract from the fact that it is a "song" contest. I'm not sure anyone wants to see some fifty-something singer who was having hits way back in the 80s. Some of the acts last night like Greece and Sweden are still in their teens.

Back to the contest, I voted for Barbara Pravi last night. A stunning and very charismatic performance from her.....best French entry in 30 years.

odyssey06 · 23-05-2021 6:54pm

KathleenGrant wrote: »

Italy were not in semi-final either.

Possibly Italian entry benefitted from prior exposure at San Remo, which is picked up by several other European broadcasters.

KathleenGrant · 23-05-2021 6:58pm

odyssey06 wrote: »

Possibly Italian entry benefitted from prior exposure at San Remo, which is picked up by several other European broadcasters.

Maybe so just saying France was not the only automatic qualifier to do well.

embraer170 · 23-05-2021 7:05pm

ACitizenErased wrote: »

EBU statement on Måneskin in the ESC Green Room during the Grand Final

We are aware of the speculation surrounding the video clip of the Italian winners of the Eurovision Song Contest in the Green Room last night. The band have strongly refuted the allegations of drug use and the singer in question will take a voluntary drug test after arriving home. This was requested by them last night but could not be immediately organized by the EBU. The band, their management and head of delegation have informed us that no drugs were present in the Green Room and explained that a glass was broken at their table and it was being cleared by the singer. The EBU can confirm broken glass was found after an on site check. We are still looking at footage carefully and will update with further information in due course.

While I don't really believe the guy took drugs on live TV, I am a bit surprised at the weak statement from the EBU. It makes me a bit suspicious if anything.

23-05-2021 7:08pm

This is my design for a competition to choose the song for the Eurovision.

Starts off as a bit of craic, and develops into something far more serious by the end.

It was a near year long competition. (40 weeks)
There was heats from each county and district. (Dublin got 6 districts, Cork got two, all other counties got 1)
Each week, there would be heats from one county/district in that county/district, televised.
6 acts per county/district in the heats. One band member had to have a solid connection to the place, ie: come from there, went to school there etc. (No parachuting a Dublin act into Laois for example)
The acts are chosen by a county committee or something.
They all play their song live, and the studio audience (all from that county/district) would vote a winner.
This would go on for 32 weeks, til all county districts had a winner.
Then it would be like a cup competition.
4 weeks of 8 songs (second round) top 4 of each go through.
2 weeks of 8 songs, (3rd round) top 4 of each go through
1 week of 8 songs (quarter finals) top 4 go through
1 week of 4 songs (semi finals) top 2 go through.

Finally the glitzy final.

You could shorten it, but the last week could really ramp up the prep for the "show" aspect and how their stage presence and everything else developed over the last year or so. It would be easy enough to put together a decent highlights of the year as well to fill the slot

I think it would be fascinating to watch, with quite a bit of drama mixed in as well, spread throughout a year.

BarryNumber1 · 23-05-2021 7:10pm

Beechwoodspark wrote: »

Sienad o connor would be awful

Drama queen, very high maintenance. Constantly looking for attention

That’s if she got past the national effort.

The show was good, all the kids here and their friends were voting for Italy so the result seemed to line up with that. Sinead might get a few more votes than the U.K. but might be a bit “off” for European tastes.

ShamNNspace · 23-05-2021 7:26pm

BarryNumber1 wrote: »

That’s if she got past the national effort.

The show was good, all the kids here and their friends were voting for Italy so the result seemed to line up with that. Sinead might get a few more votes than the U.K. but might be a bit “off” for European tastes.

Sinead has a large following on the European mainland, I still remember the first time I heard Mandinga, sittin in a bar in Munich called die werkstatt in 87, had to enquire who the singer was, I was so proud when I was informed she was Irish.... We were alive back in them days

YellowLead · 23-05-2021 7:30pm

[Deleted User] wrote: »

This is my design for a competition to choose the song for the Eurovision.

Starts off as a bit of craic, and develops into something far more serious by the end.

It was a near year long competition. (40 weeks)
There was heats from each county and district. (Dublin got 6 districts, Cork got two, all other counties got 1)
Each week, there would be heats from one county/district in that county/district, televised.
6 acts per county/district in the heats. One band member had to have a solid connection to the place, ie: come from there, went to school there etc. (No parachuting a Dublin act into Laois for example)
The acts are chosen by a county committee or something.
They all play their song live, and the studio audience (all from that county/district) would vote a winner.
This would go on for 32 weeks, til all county districts had a winner.
Then it would be like a cup competition.
4 weeks of 8 songs (second round) top 4 of each go through.
2 weeks of 8 songs, (3rd round) top 4 of each go through
1 week of 8 songs (quarter finals) top 4 go through
1 week of 4 songs (semi finals) top 2 go through.

Finally the glitzy final.

You could shorten it, but the last week could really ramp up the prep for the "show" aspect and how their stage presence and everything else developed over the last year or so. It would be easy enough to put together a decent highlights of the year as well to fill the slot

I think it would be fascinating to watch, with quite a bit of drama mixed in as well, spread throughout a year.

Sounds like waaaaay too much. No offence. But I think everybody would be sick of that fairly quickly?

Fandymo · 23-05-2021 7:34pm

[Deleted User] wrote: »

This is my design for a competition to choose the song for the Eurovision.

Starts off as a bit of craic, and develops into something far more serious by the end.

It was a near year long competition. (40 weeks)
There was heats from each county and district. (Dublin got 6 districts, Cork got two, all other counties got 1)
Each week, there would be heats from one county/district in that county/district, televised.
6 acts per county/district in the heats. One band member had to have a solid connection to the place, ie: come from there, went to school there etc. (No parachuting a Dublin act into Laois for example)
The acts are chosen by a county committee or something.
They all play their song live, and the studio audience (all from that county/district) would vote a winner.
This would go on for 32 weeks, til all county districts had a winner.
Then it would be like a cup competition.
4 weeks of 8 songs (second round) top 4 of each go through.
2 weeks of 8 songs, (3rd round) top 4 of each go through
1 week of 8 songs (quarter finals) top 4 go through
1 week of 4 songs (semi finals) top 2 go through.

Finally the glitzy final.

You could shorten it, but the last week could really ramp up the prep for the "show" aspect and how their stage presence and everything else developed over the last year or so. It would be easy enough to put together a decent highlights of the year as well to fill the slot

I think it would be fascinating to watch, with quite a bit of drama mixed in as well, spread throughout a year.

Why would someone in Dublin/Cork be interested in the Louth/Laois song? Would be a black hole for money. Silly idea.

Mad_maxx · 23-05-2021 7:41pm

Beechwoodspark wrote: »

Sienad o connor would be awful

Drama queen, very high maintenance. Constantly looking for attention

She’d probably stop her performance to do some sort of bs statement rather than , y’know, actually singing the damn song ...

It’s a no from me Bob

she,d probably chose it as her moment for her annual suicide threat

BarryNumber1 · 23-05-2021 7:42pm

ShamNNspace wrote: »

Sinead has a large following on the European mainland

Didn’t know that. Would any of her euro fans be of the Eurovision watching/voting type? I’ll watch, might like a song or two but won’t vote. Kids will though and will go for the likes of the Italian entry. Their public vote was massive.

Elmo · 23-05-2021 7:52pm

KathleenGrant wrote: »

Maybe so just saying France was not the only automatic qualifier to do well.

No my mistake, just forgot because 4 of the 6 made up the final 4 .... checks.... yep that is the case

Elmo · 23-05-2021 7:57pm

Fandymo wrote: »

Why would someone in Dublin/Cork be interested in the Louth/Laois song? Would be a black hole for money. Silly idea.

2 ideas

Each local radio station chooses 5 songs which their audience vote on to represent them at a grand final. Each song broadcast on RTÉ on National each night, over six weeks (includes all 32).

Final then held in the same way as the Eurovision with a jury from each county. Not sure if public vote could be possible.

Or simply an just the final without the county rounds.

freshpopcorn · 23-05-2021 8:01pm

I can just imagine Dee Forbers realising they'll have to put a bit more money into it that just a few people having a discussion in the RTE canteen!

23-05-2021 8:08pm

YellowLead wrote: »

Sounds like waaaaay too much. No offence. But I think everybody would be sick of that fairly quickly?

I don't understand how people watch soaps 3 times or more a week, or the X factor for the entire run, but each to their own.

Fandymo wrote: »

Why would someone in Dublin/Cork be interested in the Louth/Laois song? Would be a black hole for money. Silly idea.

Why do people follow foreign sports, foreign soaps, foreign news etc? Why do we watch the Eurovision in the first place? Silly question.

As for money, all the county rounds could be done locally. No need to hire out the Helix for a year

TG4 would do a far better job than RTE anyway.

odyssey06 · 23-05-2021 8:14pm

freshpopcorn wrote: »

I can just imagine Dee Forbers realising they'll have to put a bit more money into it that just a few people having a discussion in the RTE canteen!

Government need to let RTE know that if we ever did win it again, the hosting costs wouldn't need to come out of RTE budget but government would fund it as a cultural festival. That might make them less scared of winning it...

Elmo · 23-05-2021 9:05pm

odyssey06 wrote: »

Government need to let RTE know that if we ever did win it again, the hosting costs wouldn't need to come out of RTE budget but government would fund it as a cultural festival. That might make them less scared of winning it...

RTÉ need to be told to do some work. The last time RTÉ invested time into the Eurovision was with Dustin's Entry. After that much like most things on RTÉ nothing.

RTÉ spend something like 300,000 on the Eurovision every years AFAIK. I know this includes 8 hours of TV, but they aren't spending the majority of that on the actual show, most if it going towards an entourage, does Marty or the lads on 2FM really have to go to Rome next year?

gmisk · 23-05-2021 9:13pm

BarryNumber1 wrote: »

That’s if she got past the national effort.

The show was good, all the kids here and their friends were voting for Italy so the result seemed to line up with that. Sinead might get a few more votes than the U.K. but might be a bit “off” for European tastes.

We haven't run a national contest for a good while....if we can skip a national contest to pick Lesley Roy....and Sarah McTernan...I think we could do the same to have fecking Sinead OConnor!

fryup · 23-05-2021 9:35pm

just thinkin maybe its best that the irish girl got knocked out in the semi's??

i mean imagine being in the final and getting ZERO points?? that would be far more painful

at least in the semi's its just a case of not being selected

jackboy · 23-05-2021 9:44pm

gmisk wrote: »

We haven't run a national contest for a good while....if we can skip a national contest to pick Lesley Roy....and Sarah McTernan...I think we could do the same to have fecking Sinead OConnor!

I think Lesley Roy and the song were not too bad but a lot of things were messed up.

She was obviously encouraged to sing in a fake accent which sounded horrible. She was put in horrible clothes and given a bad hairstyle. She was made to run around the stage for some reason which made her out of breath. The staging was embarrassingly bad.

If she just went out in her pyjamas, stood in front of a microphone and sang, I guarantee she would have done much better.

BarryNumber1 · 23-05-2021 10:11pm

gmisk wrote: »

We haven't run a national contest for a good while....if we can skip a national contest to pick Lesley Roy....and Sarah McTernan...I think we could do the same to have fecking Sinead OConnor!

I had forgotten that.

Seriously… just leave the whole shebang here to the under 20s.

odyssey06 · 23-05-2021 10:18pm

BarryNumber1 wrote: »

I had forgotten that.
Seriously… just leave the whole shebang here to the under 20s.

20 somethings maybe... Apart from Malta, Greece and Bulgaria the top entries this year were older than 20.

Pussyhands · 23-05-2021 10:24pm

Absolutely class! Hair raising stuff.

Saved to my favourites!

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=nmN2H16EmMo

Eurovision Song Contest 2021

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