Raised in England - irish blood. Irish?

Mehapoy wrote: »

Can't you be a bit of both? You can be Irish, European, from Cork, Munster etc why do people need to chose when it's nationality? Bit like n Ireland, it's all framed as you're British or Irish, choose a side and never give an inch.

I disagree.

Its common knowledge most people who are irish with an accent who go to the uk suffer discrimination at least once during there time there.

Whereas people of irish descent with british accents don't or if they do its to a much lesser extent.

Some of these people who claim irishness actively ignore such discrimination. Or are at least not bringing it up. Similarly they may be brexiters or not sympathetic to irish issues.

I remember Kathy Burke saying it was hard for her to be Irish while in the uk that might be true but it is going to be much harder for Irish people coming from Ireland with irish accents in the UK.

I once heard a british soldier saying that amnesty for soldiers in the north was fine because many of them were of Irish descent! So they couldn't be anti Irish! ??? It was on George Galloway's podcast.

Its not that you can't be Irish and British. Hopefully many people IN northern ireland WILL feel one day that they can be BOTH irish and british.

But you can't deny or ignore Irish discrimination in british or by the british and claim to be Irish when you have grown up in the UK.

bubblypop wrote: »

More rubbish!!

No evidence whatsoever that most people with Irish accents suffer discrimination in Britain. It's not the 70s anymore.

Excuse me i have experienced it. And this was just about 4 yrs ago.

And many more people have too.

I have relatives there and they experience it too. And they say its worse since brexit.

Please stop negating the actual prejudice Irish people people are experiencing.


This recent wave is being documented.

https://www.irishtimes.com/life-and-style/abroad/anti-irish-sentiment-in-britain-i-feel-like-i-am-back-in-the-1980s-1.3992131

watch this video. IN FACT EVERY IRISH PERSON SHOULD WATCH THIS VIDEO


Ardal O Hanlon receiving death threats ...i mean ...unbelievable. And yes ....Ardal o hanlan says during the podcast he received death threads.

We can't go on ignoring this.

And yes you CAN be raised in the UK and be considered irish.

It wasnt me123 wrote: »

Am I Irish?

born in England to Irish parents - did Irish Dancing, taught by nuns, mass every Sunday, Irish holidays every summer etc

Emigrated to Australia when I was 9, still did Irish dancing etc, returned to Ireland at 17 and continued to travel back twice more before permanently moving to Ireland at 30. Back now over 25 years.

I still sound English, though haven’t lived there in over 45 years, i have an Irish passport, married an Irish man and have raised my family here.

Am I Irish? I think so.

Yes!

And if you don't like Boris Jonson ..even more so!

It wasnt me123 wrote: »

Am I Irish?

born in England to Irish parents - did Irish Dancing, taught by nuns, mass every Sunday, Irish holidays every summer etc

Was Éamon de Valera Irish? Born in New York City to an Irish mother and a Spanish father, but by 16 he was playing Rugby at Blackrock College. If he had been an Irish citizen, he would probably have been executed in 1916; his US citizenship saved his skin.

bubblypop wrote: »

No evidence whatsoever that most people with Irish accents suffer discrimination in Britain. It's not the 70s anymore.
Yes you can grow up in Britain and claim to be irish.

Agreed ✓

ILoveYourVibes wrote: »

According to my great grandmother ....he gave up his irishness the day he did that! She hated him!
She felt he used it.

Also SHE WAS A COLLINS WOMAN!

Isn’t that a myth? It’s not on record that his nationality saved him us it ?

Duckworth_Luas wrote: »

It's an urban legend. De Valera wasn't executed because he was a minor figure, so was well down the list. By the time he would have faced a firing squad the executions had already ceased.

Not an urban legend but it's often overstated. It was merely one of a number of factors - his relative obscurity compared to the other leaders, the lateness of his court martial were other factors. Writing him off as a minor figure is perhaps unfair. He wasn't one of the signatories but he did command the third battalion and had command of one of the nine main locations seized.

Before De Valera's court martial, his wife Sinéad had already made representations to the American Consul in Dublin that he was a US citizen and the Consul had written to that effect to the most senior official in Dublin Castle, the Under Secretary, Sir Matthew Nathan. His relations in New York - notably his half-brother, Father Thomas Wainwright, a Redemptorist priest - did likewise.

https://www.independent.ie/irish-news/1916/the-rising-explained/how-dev-escaped-execution-in-1916-34495475.html

Strumms wrote: »

This.. my first cousin was born in London to Irish parents. She has lived every second of her life in London and considers herself English. She has an English and Irish passport, proud of her Irish ethnicity, LOVES coming here on holiday and has done so mostly twice a year all her life... but she is English...and considers herself so...

Thats perfectly fine, but there will be a sizeable minority of English people who wont consider her English because her parents are Irish. I started a thread here asking people whether someone had to be ethnically Irish to be considered Irish and a third said yes. So I presume English people have similar views.

Also growing up in a multi ethnic city like London where the concept of what is classified as English is probably broader than it is elsewhere. I grew up in Suffolk and most people upon finding out I had Irish parents considered me Irish or at least as much Irish as I was British. And I copped a lot of crap for it at school particularly from kids from British military backgrounds, whose dad served during the troubles.

bubblypop wrote: »

Try being a kid with a thick Yorkshire accent moving to a border town in the late 80s!!!I

I've lived in Northern Ireland for 20 years and never had any problems for my English accent, finished school here too.

Appreciate I came here just after the signing of the good Friday agreement living here in peace time not during the height of the troubles mind.

4Ad wrote: »

Im in East Clare 44 years after 9 years in East London, people here still pick up on the accent but in England and abroad they know I'm Irish.
My parents are/were Irish and proudly consider myself Irish..

This is me, 9 years in UK, 20 in Australia, 26 in Ireland - here they still hear an English accent after almost 50 years, everywhere else they hear Irish accent.

My parents are Irish and I consider myself Irish

It depends. Can they play football?