Munster vs Connacht, Fri 14th May 6pm; Eir Sport

Former Former Former · 15-05-2021 06:09PM

Burkie1203 wrote: »

Watched the game back. JOD was very lucky. A few ruck entries about 10 min from the end, one looked like he definitely connected with the connacht locks head with his upper arm.

He tried to take Wootton out of it with a sliding tackle too. Absolute liability all game.

15-05-2021 06:10PM

Burkie1203 wrote: »

Watched the game back. JOD was very lucky. A few ruck entries about 10 min from the end, one looked like he definitely connected with the connacht locks head with his upper arm.

His reaction to Papaili freeing himself and getting back in the defensive line was awful. AP pushes him on the head and has no interest in getting involved.

Beirne also had Buckley I think in a headlock on 65 which was ignored.

Standers post match comments are bizarre. The wording to me suggests there is a prevailing thought in Munster camp that they feel the refs are out to get them. "I can say it now, I'm done"

Saw the headlock all right,

Coach and players owns the culture created

thomond2006 · 15-05-2021 06:11PM

In all three interpros Munster have played in the RC, there's been a lot of niggle and off the ball stuff. I think it worked to Munster's advantage in the win at the RDS.

Madeoface · 15-05-2021 06:51PM

Former Former Former wrote: »

He tried to take Wootton out of it with a sliding tackle too. Absolute liability all game.

I thought kilcoyne was at it too. Around 66 minutes seemed to attempt shoulder straight to head. Missed his target in another missile ruck entry earlier but Joy finally picked up on the elbow use later on (may have been the captain s challenge). Borderline. Wasn't sure if it was him or jod at the genge type elbows on the ground, same dodgy Barnet.

To hear CJ whinge about the ref after was a bit rich tho and disappointing from such a warrior. I thought it was reffed fairly from a neutrals perspective. A lot of niggles, could have been more stoppages.

leakyboots · 15-05-2021 09:30PM

Former Former Former wrote: »

He tried to take Wootton out of it with a sliding tackle too. Absolute liability all game.

Absolute nonsense. Dived for the ball.

"Sliding tackle", give over

freyners · 15-05-2021 10:27PM

leakyboots wrote: »

Absolute nonsense. Dived for the ball.

"Sliding tackle", give over

Actually he went in knees first so not sure how thats going for the ball

Buer · 15-05-2021 10:31PM

leakyboots wrote: »

Absolute nonsense. Dived for the ball.

"Sliding tackle", give over

He absolutely didn't dive for the ball. He went in knees first with no chance of winning the ball as per attached image. He then collided with Wootton. It was a penalty at worst but JOD had no hope of winning possession nor was there a genuine attempt to do so.

As I posted previously, I've never seen JOD so wound up for a match. He actually had a good game generally but his discipline was all over the place.

Squidgy Black · 15-05-2021 11:02PM

Buer wrote: »

He absolutely didn't dive for the ball. He went in knees first with no chance of winning the ball as per attached image. He then collided with Wootton. It was a penalty at worst but JOD had no hope of winning possession nor was there a genuine attempt to do so.

As I posted previously, I've never seen JOD so wound up for a match. He actually had a good game generally but his discipline was all over the place.

Thought at the time he got quite lucky that Wootton was able to stay on his feet and had anticipated the slide.

Zeugnis · 16-05-2021 12:06AM

Squidgy Black wrote: »

Thought at the time he got quite lucky that Wootton was able to stay on his feet and had anticipated the slide.

But he didn't stay on his feet. JOD caught his legs with his arm and he went down on an almost perfect horizontal. But Wooton was utterly nonplussed, just picked himself up and got on with it.

Akrasia · 16-05-2021 05:18AM

Squidgy Black wrote: »

Thought at the time he got quite lucky that Wootton was able to stay on his feet and had anticipated the slide.

Wooten was anting the maggot too, he deliberately relayed touching the ball down until the last second

When JOD went for that ball lit was in play

Burkie1203 · 16-05-2021 07:33AM

Akrasia wrote: »

Wooten was anting the maggot too, he deliberately relayed touching the ball down until the last second

When JOD went for that ball lit was in play

Wooton was perfectly within his rights to delay touching the ball down

Burkie1203 · 16-05-2021 08:00AM

leakyboots wrote: »

Absolute nonsense. Dived for the ball.

"Sliding tackle", give over

Dived for the ball knee first you mean

Burkie1203 · 16-05-2021 08:33AM

Squidgy Black wrote: »

Jesus I think that's harsh. Can't see how it's clear that it was DeAllende that knocked it on and it wasn't kicked by one of the players clearing out.

Beirne knocked it on. He went to pick it up with one hand and dropped it.

Akrasia · 16-05-2021 09:14AM

Burkie1203 wrote: »

Wooton was perfectly within his rights to delay touching the ball down

And JOD was perfectly within his rights to go for that ball until it was touched down.

Burkie1203 · 16-05-2021 09:33AM

Akrasia wrote: »

And JOD was perfectly within his rights to go for that ball until it was touched down.

Never said he wasn't within his rights to go for it. Just the whole Wooton was acting the maggot line is utter BS.

Former Former Former · 16-05-2021 09:34AM

Akrasia wrote: »

And JOD was perfectly within his rights to go for that ball until it was touched down.

But not by sliding in with his knees first. There's no spin that makes that a legal challenge.

Like, he never had any hope of getting to the ball first, but he was so wound up that he went on a 50 metre sprint just to put himself about.

It was dangerous play, he was very lucky not to have been pulled up for it and if Wootton had been more cynical and stayed down, the TMO would have looked at it.

Akrasia · 16-05-2021 10:00AM

On the 29th minute there should have been a penalty try and a yellow card. Tom Daley tripped Craig Casey while off his feet. That is not a legitimate rugby tackle and Casey was going to score if he wasn’t stopped

Law 14.
“ Other players must: Not play the ball or attempt to tackle an opponent while on the ground near the tackle.”

Tom Daley had just tackled a Munster player and before getting back to his feet he deliberately moved to get in the way of Craig Casey and ended up tripping him

stephen_n · 16-05-2021 10:05AM

Akrasia wrote: »

Law 14.
“ Other players must: Not play the ball or attempt to tackle an opponent while on the ground near the tackle.”

Tom Daley had just tackled a Munster player and before getting back to his feet he deliberately moved to get in the way of Craig Casey and ended up tripping him

You are contradicting yourself in your own post. If he was getting back to his feet, then he’s not on the ground.

Akrasia · 16-05-2021 10:12AM

stephen_n wrote: »

You are contradicting yourself in your own post. If he was getting back to his feet, then he’s not on the ground.

It was before getting back to his feet, how is that a contradiction?
In rugby you’re off your feet if any body part other than your feet are on the ground. Daley moved to trip Casey in a deliberate movement while off his feet. If the TMO reviewed that it would have been a YC and a penalty try

VayNiice · 16-05-2021 10:30AM

Akrasia wrote: »

On the 29th minute there should have been a penalty try and a yellow card. Tom Daley tripped Craig Casey while off his feet. That is not a legitimate rugby tackle and Casey was going to score if he wasn’t stopped

Law 14.
“ Other players must: Not play the ball or attempt to tackle an opponent while on the ground near the tackle.”

Tom Daley had just tackled a Munster player and before getting back to his feet he deliberately moved to get in the way of Craig Casey and ended up tripping him

Not a chance. There were two connacht players ahead of Casey even if he had of got through. In no world is that a penalty try. Also Daly didn't go for him at all, he was standing up and Casey ran over him.

Added to that, the offload before went about a metre forward and wasn't called.

You're grasping at straws here.

OldRio · 16-05-2021 10:32AM

Akrasia wrote: »

Wooten was anting the maggot too, he deliberately relayed touching the ball down until the last second

When JOD went for that ball lit was in play

Are you being serious?

Former Former Former · 16-05-2021 10:33AM

Akrasia wrote: »

On the 29th minute there should have been a penalty try and a yellow card. Tom Daley tripped Craig Casey while off his feet. That is not a legitimate rugby tackle and Casey was going to score if he wasn’t stopped

Law 14.
“ Other players must: Not play the ball or attempt to tackle an opponent while on the ground near the tackle.”

Tom Daley had just tackled a Munster player and before getting back to his feet he deliberately moved to get in the way of Craig Casey and ended up tripping him

I'm not sure he's still "near the tackle" when he follows up on Casey. There's a good two or three metres of a gap from the first tackle area.

If he's moved away from the tackle then it's play on.

theVersatile · 16-05-2021 11:00AM

Former Former Former wrote: »

I'm not sure he's still "near the tackle" when he follows up on Casey. There's a good two or three metres of a gap from the first tackle area.

If he's moved away from the tackle then it's play on.

That's a very literal interpretation of the laws. It's also interesting now that you point it out considering Law 13.3 provides that

A player on the ground without the ball is out of the game and must:
a. Allow opponents who are not on the ground to play or gain possession of
the ball.
b. Not play the ball.
c. Not tackle or attempt to tackle an opponent.

No mention of being near the tackle area. Interesting quirk.

That being said, I'm not quite sure Casey didn't just run into Daly and collide with him. If you look at it in real time it'd be very hard to conclude that Daly purposefully went to tackle Casey having just spun out of the previous tackle and been flung backwards.

Shaka Hislop · 16-05-2021 11:18AM

There has to be a coming together of clubs and referee's to sit down and watch games together...to have clear and open dialogue between both sides and for input from players taken on-board..and for the reasons behind decisions to be acknowledged by players.
It'll benefit both sides immensely imo

OldRio · 16-05-2021 11:25AM

Shaka Hislop wrote: »

There has to be a coming together of clubs and referee's to sit down and watch games together...to have clear and open dialogue between both sides and for input from players taken on-board..and for the reasons behind decisions to be acknowledged by players.
It'll benefit both sides immensely imo

I take it Munster lost?

Shaka Hislop · 16-05-2021 11:38AM

OldRio wrote: »

I take it Munster lost?

Yes, does that lessen the point in some way?

OldRio · 16-05-2021 11:50AM

Shaka Hislop wrote: »

Yes, does that lessen the point in some way?

It makes my point

theVersatile · 16-05-2021 12:24PM

OldRio wrote: »

It makes my point

And what exactly is your point, Mr Cryptic?

Shaka Hislop · 16-05-2021 12:25PM

OldRio wrote: »

It makes my point

You didn't make a point, you just went for a glib shot....no bother about that but ....we have seen an overall deterioration of refereeing standards in the Pro 14...there has to be something done about it.

Burkie1203 · 16-05-2021 12:51PM

Shaka Hislop wrote: »

Yes, does that lessen the point in some way?

Yes because the narrative is always to micro analyse ref decisions that didn't go Munster's way.

Even a senior Munster player is now pushing that narrative in the media.

Munster vs Connacht, Fri 14th May 6pm; Eir Sport

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