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Munster vs Connacht, Fri 14th May 6pm; Eir Sport

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Munster:
Matt Gallagher; Andrew Conway, Dan Goggin, Damian de Allende, Shane Daly; Ben Healy, Craig Casey;
James Cronin, Rhys Marshall, John Ryan; Jean Kleyn, Billy Holland; Gavin Coombes, Peter O’Mahony (C), CJ Stander.

Replacements: Niall Scannell, Dave Kilcoyne, Stephen Archer, Tadhg Beirne, Jack O’Donoghue, Conor Murray, Joey Carbery, Keith Earls.

CONNACHT MATCHDAY 23 VS MUNSTER RUGBY

15. John Porch (38)
14. Sammy Arnold (13)
13. Sean O’Brien (Acad) (9)
12. Tom Daly (46) (C)
11. Alex Wootton (19)
10. Conor Fitzgerald (34)
9. Kieran Marmion (184)
1. Paddy McAllister (16)
2. Shane Delahunt (97)
3. Dominic Robertson-McCoy (65)
4. Niall Murray (15)
5. Ultan Dillane (111)
6. Cian Prendergast (7)
7. Conor Oliver (19)
8. Abraham Papali’i (12)

Replacements
16. Dave Heffernan (142)
17. Denis Buckley (198)
18. Finlay Bealham (157)
19. Eoghan Masterson (109)
20. Sean Masterson (11)
21. Caolin Blade (129)
22. Jack Carty (156)
23. Peter Sullivan (14)

There isn't a lot of development selections in that Munster pack. It's not a great sign that Ryan and Archer are both in the 23 when Knox and Salanoa are available and desperate for minutes. A number of players who are leaving / most likely leaving are in the starting lineup.

Dan Goggin gets another start in the centre alongside our top three wingers in Daly, Conway and Earls to come off the bench. Casey starting at 9 with Murray getting a rest.

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VayNiice

Akrasia wrote: »

On the 29th minute there should have been a penalty try and a yellow card. Tom Daley tripped Craig Casey while off his feet. That is not a legitimate rugby tackle and Casey was going to score if he wasn’t stopped

Law 14.
“ Other players must: Not play the ball or attempt to tackle an opponent while on the ground near the tackle.”

Tom Daley had just tackled a Munster player and before getting back to his feet he deliberately moved to get in the way of Craig Casey and ended up tripping him

Not a chance. There were two connacht players ahead of Casey even if he had of got through. In no world is that a penalty try. Also Daly didn't go for him at all, he was standing up and Casey ran over him.

Added to that, the offload before went about a metre forward and wasn't called.

You're grasping at straws here.

Akrasia

stephen_n wrote: »

You are contradicting yourself in your own post. If he was getting back to his feet, then he’s not on the ground.

It was before getting back to his feet, how is that a contradiction?
In rugby you’re off your feet if any body part other than your feet are on the ground. Daley moved to trip Casey in a deliberate movement while off his feet. If the TMO reviewed that it would have been a YC and a penalty try

stephen_n

Akrasia wrote: »

Law 14.
“ Other players must: Not play the ball or attempt to tackle an opponent while on the ground near the tackle.”

Tom Daley had just tackled a Munster player and before getting back to his feet he deliberately moved to get in the way of Craig Casey and ended up tripping him

You are contradicting yourself in your own post. If he was getting back to his feet, then he’s not on the ground.

Akrasia

On the 29th minute there should have been a penalty try and a yellow card. Tom Daley tripped Craig Casey while off his feet. That is not a legitimate rugby tackle and Casey was going to score if he wasn’t stopped

Law 14.
“ Other players must: Not play the ball or attempt to tackle an opponent while on the ground near the tackle.”

Tom Daley had just tackled a Munster player and before getting back to his feet he deliberately moved to get in the way of Craig Casey and ended up tripping him

Former Former Former

Akrasia wrote: »

And JOD was perfectly within his rights to go for that ball until it was touched down.

But not by sliding in with his knees first. There's no spin that makes that a legal challenge.

Like, he never had any hope of getting to the ball first, but he was so wound up that he went on a 50 metre sprint just to put himself about.

It was dangerous play, he was very lucky not to have been pulled up for it and if Wootton had been more cynical and stayed down, the TMO would have looked at it.

Burkie1203

Akrasia wrote: »

And JOD was perfectly within his rights to go for that ball until it was touched down.

Never said he wasn't within his rights to go for it. Just the whole Wooton was acting the maggot line is utter BS.

Akrasia

Burkie1203 wrote: »

Wooton was perfectly within his rights to delay touching the ball down

And JOD was perfectly within his rights to go for that ball until it was touched down.

Burkie1203

Squidgy Black wrote: »

Jesus I think that's harsh. Can't see how it's clear that it was DeAllende that knocked it on and it wasn't kicked by one of the players clearing out.

Beirne knocked it on. He went to pick it up with one hand and dropped it.

Burkie1203

leakyboots wrote: »

Absolute nonsense. Dived for the ball.

"Sliding tackle", give over

Dived for the ball knee first you mean

Burkie1203

Akrasia wrote: »

Wooten was anting the maggot too, he deliberately relayed touching the ball down until the last second

When JOD went for that ball lit was in play

Wooton was perfectly within his rights to delay touching the ball down

Akrasia

Squidgy Black wrote: »

Thought at the time he got quite lucky that Wootton was able to stay on his feet and had anticipated the slide.

Wooten was anting the maggot too, he deliberately relayed touching the ball down until the last second

When JOD went for that ball lit was in play

Zeugnis

Squidgy Black wrote: »

Thought at the time he got quite lucky that Wootton was able to stay on his feet and had anticipated the slide.

But he didn't stay on his feet. JOD caught his legs with his arm and he went down on an almost perfect horizontal. But Wooton was utterly nonplussed, just picked himself up and got on with it.

Squidgy Black

Buer wrote: »

He absolutely didn't dive for the ball. He went in knees first with no chance of winning the ball as per attached image. He then collided with Wootton. It was a penalty at worst but JOD had no hope of winning possession nor was there a genuine attempt to do so.

As I posted previously, I've never seen JOD so wound up for a match. He actually had a good game generally but his discipline was all over the place.

Thought at the time he got quite lucky that Wootton was able to stay on his feet and had anticipated the slide.

Buer

leakyboots wrote: »

Absolute nonsense. Dived for the ball.

"Sliding tackle", give over

He absolutely didn't dive for the ball. He went in knees first with no chance of winning the ball as per attached image. He then collided with Wootton. It was a penalty at worst but JOD had no hope of winning possession nor was there a genuine attempt to do so.

As I posted previously, I've never seen JOD so wound up for a match. He actually had a good game generally but his discipline was all over the place.

freyners

leakyboots wrote: »

Absolute nonsense. Dived for the ball.

"Sliding tackle", give over

Actually he went in knees first so not sure how thats going for the ball

leakyboots

Former Former Former wrote: »

He tried to take Wootton out of it with a sliding tackle too. Absolute liability all game.

Absolute nonsense. Dived for the ball.

"Sliding tackle", give over

Madeoface

Former Former Former wrote: »

He tried to take Wootton out of it with a sliding tackle too. Absolute liability all game.

I thought kilcoyne was at it too. Around 66 minutes seemed to attempt shoulder straight to head. Missed his target in another missile ruck entry earlier but Joy finally picked up on the elbow use later on (may have been the captain s challenge). Borderline. Wasn't sure if it was him or jod at the genge type elbows on the ground, same dodgy Barnet.

To hear CJ whinge about the ref after was a bit rich tho and disappointing from such a warrior. I thought it was reffed fairly from a neutrals perspective. A lot of niggles, could have been more stoppages.

thomond2006

In all three interpros Munster have played in the RC, there's been a lot of niggle and off the ball stuff. I think it worked to Munster's advantage in the win at the RDS.

[Deleted User]

Burkie1203 wrote: »

Watched the game back. JOD was very lucky. A few ruck entries about 10 min from the end, one looked like he definitely connected with the connacht locks head with his upper arm.

His reaction to Papaili freeing himself and getting back in the defensive line was awful. AP pushes him on the head and has no interest in getting involved.

Beirne also had Buckley I think in a headlock on 65 which was ignored.

Standers post match comments are bizarre. The wording to me suggests there is a prevailing thought in Munster camp that they feel the refs are out to get them. "I can say it now, I'm done"

Saw the headlock all right,

Coach and players owns the culture created

Former Former Former

Burkie1203 wrote: »

Watched the game back. JOD was very lucky. A few ruck entries about 10 min from the end, one looked like he definitely connected with the connacht locks head with his upper arm.

He tried to take Wootton out of it with a sliding tackle too. Absolute liability all game.

Burkie1203

Buer wrote: »

The offload to Casey seconds beforehand was far more forward to my eye. Player falling to the ground offloaded just outside the 22. Casey catches the ball 1m inside the 22.

I don't think momentum was really the decisive factor given he was going to ground, it appears to go in a forward motion directly out of the hands.

Wootton potentially offside at the ruck but there's a grey area there as to whether the Munster player who goes over the top is part of the ruck. Wootton was certainly onside when the ruck was formed.

Watched the game back. JOD was very lucky. A few ruck entries about 10 min from the end, one looked like he definitely connected with the connacht locks head with his upper arm.

His reaction to Papaili freeing himself and getting back in the defensive line was awful. AP pushes him on the head and has no interest in getting involved.

Beirne also had Buckley I think in a headlock on 65 which was ignored.

Standers post match comments are bizarre. The wording to me suggests there is a prevailing thought in Munster camp that they feel the refs are out to get them. "I can say it now, I'm done"

Buer

The offload to Casey seconds beforehand was far more forward to my eye. Player falling to the ground offloaded just outside the 22. Casey catches the ball 1m inside the 22.

I don't think momentum was really the decisive factor given he was going to ground, it appears to go in a forward motion directly out of the hands.

Wootton potentially offside at the ruck but there's a grey area there as to whether the Munster player who goes over the top is part of the ruck. Wootton was certainly onside when the ruck was formed.

I wouldn't be too harsh on the referee for calling the pass forward. It certainly went significantly forward due to the speed of the move and momentum. The floated pass presented a bad picture, highlighting just how further down the pitch the ball was caught. In a passage being played at such pace, the referee is going to make a snap call on what he can see.

Tomtom364

eagle eye wrote: »

Look backwards out of his hand to me.

Whooton offside at the ruck anyway

eagle eye

theVersatile wrote:

Connacht forward pass incident at 35:50 video time.

Look backwards out of his hand to me.

yerrahbah

Cant give the opposition two tries and not expect o be punished

That said we were still in with a chance right until the end.

Munster were playing against a really strong wind in the 1st half,

And then in the 2nd half comms seem to mentioned that the wind died down and there was a downpour.

Lineout is still malfunctioning at crucial times, We are still hit and miss at receiving restarts and still giving away daft penalties

JOD seemed too wound up last night, had a suspect clearout on halfway in the 2nd half and had that nonsense with Papali'i which caused O'Mahonys try to be overturned

The maul wasn't the weapon I'd hoped it would be and I'd say we had crazy possession and territory stats in the 2nd half but just couldn't find the scores

Scrum was well on top in the fist half, Was swapping out the Connacht props just before H/T and Connacht surviving that scrum the difference between winning and losing the game?

Most frustrating part is that a win last night would have given us a clear pathway to the final, Now not so sure

Shelflife

Why did Munster change captain during the game ?

connachta

connachta wrote: »

I'd be in favour of the Aviva inauguration format, reducing it to a single game every summer for those for can feel ill-treated for not being picked with Ireland

Munster/Connacht vs Leinster/Ulster would be great with 2 strong XV;

+ it would offer a proper hurrah to those leaving, like Wolfhound/Baabaas did for some rare.

You'd have

Buckely vs McGrath
Marshall vs Cronin
Ryan vs Moore
Wycherley vs Carter
Kleyn vs Toner
Coombes vs Doris
Boyle vs Murphy (Josh or Jordi)
CJ vs Coetze
Marmion vs Cooney
Carty vs Madigan
T.Daly vs Hume
C or T Farrell vs O'Brien or O'Loughlin
Wooton vs Lyttle
S.Daly vs Baloucoune
Porch vs Addison

J.Cronin vs EOS
Delahunt vs McBurney
Aungier vs Bent
Roux vs O'Connor
Prendergast vs Penny
Blade vs L.McGrath
B.Healy vs Frawley
Gallagher vs Lowry

None in the Irish 35 but
Tasty

Sabre0001

Former Former Former wrote: »

Absolutely. Either knocked on or accidental offside but the try couldn't stand either way.

It was an entertaining game for the neutral and the utter lack of any semblance of discipline on either side was hilarious.

Absolute dick comment from CJ about the ref too.

Still a different incident. The knock on called on the try was by DDA.

Not a great comment from CJ. He may be retiring but Munster still in action and will have same ref again at some point. He took over captaincy from POM it seems so you'd imagine Peter had similar outlook but was keeping it to himself.

Ref didn't help but Munster can only blame themselves... Lineout misfiring at crucial moments again, didn't protect the ball enough at times, didn't slow connacht ball, stupid penalties and brain fades, little offered in backline, and a couple of costly errors (stray pass from casey and restart that both led to tries).

[Deleted User]

SqueakyKneecap wrote: »

Any replays of the Connacht "forward pass" from late in the first half btw? I thought it was harsh at the time but would need to see it again really.

It was a clear try, nuts to call it,

Former Former Former

ridonkulous wrote: »

What did he say?

https://www.irishexaminer.com/sport/rugby/arid-40289963