N3 - Virginia Bypass [route options published]

annfield1978 · 15-04-2020 5:36pm

MayoSalmon wrote: »

Agreed any route south of the lake is pure nonsense

You are damned if you do and damed if you don't

Have to be seen to have considered everything initially, alot will drop out for various reasons

roadmaster · 20-04-2020 8:52am

annfield1978 wrote: »

You are damned if you do and damed if you don't

Have to be seen to have considered everything initially, alot will drop out for various reasons

I wonder had they ever only 2 routes in there heads

marno21 · 29-04-2020 1:25pm

https://irl.eu-supply.com/ctm/Supplier/PublicPurchase/159901/0/1?returnUrl=ctm/Supplier/PublicTenders&b=ETENDERS_SIMPLE

Traffic survey data tender awarded to Tracsis.

Presumably will be deferred now as the data available at present is fairly meaningless.

spacetweek · 29-04-2020 11:23pm

marno21 wrote: »

Presumably will be deferred now as the data available at present is fairly meaningless.

When will data become "meaningful" again? Any commuter traffic on the route won't be back until 2021 at earliest!

Quantum Erasure · 01-07-2020 10:45pm

MayoSalmon wrote: »

Agreed any route south of the lake is pure nonsense

well, you've got Oldcastle and Ballyjamesduff that side of the lake, improving connections to them might be a consideration. I always wondered why the M3 wasn't routed to go closer to Trim, instead of going through the Tara Skryne valley...

https://i.imgur.com/sTQQu3W.png

marno21 · 24-09-2020 8:14pm

N3 Virginia Bypass wrote:

Cavan County Council has appointed Tracsis Traffic Data Limited to carry out traffic surveys on the N3 National Roads and Regional and Local Roads surrounding Virginia and environs, Co. Cavan and north of Kells Co. Meath to assist with the planning and design of the N3 Virginia Bypass project.

The traffic surveys will be carried out from September to early October 2020. Apart from temporary traffic management during the installation and removal of the survey equipment there should be no impact on traffic during the surveys.

Preferred route in 2021, ABP in 2022, decision in 2023 is the current broad timeline.

Shaunoc · 24-09-2020 8:19pm

Cancelled in 2024

spawinte · 25-09-2020 4:04am

Sensors for the traffic study are in place.

roadmaster · 10-11-2020 2:32pm

I think tomorrow the shortlisted route options are being announced for this project

roadmaster · 11-11-2020 10:29am

There is nothing on the N3 website but this is from the Anglo Celt today

https://www.anglocelt.ie/2020/11/11/five-routes-outlined-for-virgina-bypass/

Bummer1234 · 11-11-2020 12:00pm

N3 Virginia Bypass - Shortlisted Options

A virtual public consultation room will be accessible at www.innovision.ie/n3virginiabypass

forgottenhills · 11-11-2020 1:42pm

Bummer1234 wrote: »

N3 Virginia Bypass - Shortlisted Options

A virtual public consultation room will be accessible at www.innovision.ie/n3virginiabypass

At least 2 of the 4 shortlisted options now seem to meet up with the N3 north of Virginia at spots that are different to those shown on the previous map illustrating the 8 original route options. Is this normal? Can the routes be changed like this from the originals shown before the public consultation?

steeler j · 11-11-2020 3:03pm

Any opinions of the purple route

roadmaster · 11-11-2020 3:11pm

steeler j wrote: »

Any opinions of the purple route

The positives would be it would open better access to ballyjamesduff( If they wanted they could improve the road from New Inn to ballyjamesduff for access) . The negatives would be cost i would say compare to the other options as its longer and there would be alot of muckshifting

forgottenhills · 11-11-2020 3:24pm

steeler j wrote: »

Any opinions of the purple route

Well from a farming perspective I hope its not chosen as it goes right through some of the only half-decent land in Cavan. Whereas the routes on the northern side of Lough Ramor go though what ranges from average land to bogland.

And as the previous poster alluded to if the purple route is chosen it would surely make sense to alter it to bring it closer to the east side of Ballyjamesduff to serve that town and merge with the existing N3 somewhere around the New Inns? As it is mapped currently that route would not go anywhere close to that town.

_Kaiser_ · 11-11-2020 4:49pm

I'd go for A myself. Used to live in the town a decade ago and was badly needed even then

KrisW1001 · 11-11-2020 5:00pm

forgottenhills wrote: »

Well from a farming perspective I hope its not chosen as it goes right through some of the only half-decent land in Cavan. Whereas the routes on the northern side of Lough Ramor go though what ranges from average land to bogland.

And as the previous poster alluded to if the purple route is chosen it would surely make sense to alter it to bring it closer to the east side of Ballyjamesduff to serve that town and merge with the existing N3 somewhere around the New Inns? As it is mapped currently that route would not go anywhere close to that town.

The big hill at Aghalion right between the purple route and Ballyjamesduff probably rules that out.

There's a possible route further west of that hill right at the edge of the study area, but that's taking the road very far out of its way, and you'd also need to go a long way beyond New Inn to bring the road around the Nadreegeel lakes (just off the left edge of this map).

Improved access to Ballyjamesduff can be achieved by improving R194 from where it meets the Purple route instead.

My feeling is Option C is the preferred one: it's the only one they've bothered to include link roads for, and it would make use of what would hopefully have been a protected corridor established back in 2003.

MayoSalmon · 11-11-2020 5:00pm

Anything but Option B...get it built

marno21 · 11-11-2020 5:04pm

_Kaiser_ wrote: »

I'd go for A myself. Used to live in the town a decade ago and was badly needed even then

A is traffic management with no new infrastructure.

From a fairly rudimental reading of the map, I'd imagine they go for red (perhaps the grey alteration at the northern end) with the two blue link roads. The southern link road provides access to the town and the Glanbia plant, and the northern link road provides access to the R194. Two grade separated junctions and you have a very good scheme here.

Pete_Cavan · 11-11-2020 10:27pm

marno21 wrote: »

From a fairly rudimental reading of the map, I'd imagine they go for red (perhaps the grey alteration at the northern end) with the two blue link roads. The southern link road provides access to the town and the Glanbia plant, and the northern link road provides access to the R194. Two grade separated junctions and you have a very good scheme here.

I think the southern link is too far north, it could be moved at least 1km south which would give a better spacing of junctions and better serve the population south of Virginia plus Virginia Transport and AW Ennis which between them probably see more large vehicle movements than Glanbia.

I think a LILO situated between the R178 and R194 would be a better location with a parallel new road connecting to both. Traffic can then access Virginia by either of those roads plus Bailieborough and Mullagh. You could then have another junction on the northern side of Virginia which would again allow access to the town plus BJD.

Pete_Cavan · 12-11-2020 1:41pm

I see the AADT at Whitegate is only just over 10k, it probably drops by 1k on the Cavan side of Virginia. I think the new road should join the existing N3 north west of Virginia and keep the single carriageway from there with widening, some properties CPOed, etc. A new section of road south of Lisgrey House and avoiding the junctions there would be sufficient. I'd like to see money directed towards removing the roundabouts in the middle of and at the western end of the existing 2+2. The existing 2+2 is 9.5km, add another ~12km bypassing Virginia and it would be a good stretch of Expressway if it only had LILO junctions. Leaving the existing roundabouts and likely adding at least one more (at the northern end of the Virginia bypass) would be a bit of a mess.

roadmaster · 12-11-2020 2:11pm

Pete_Cavan wrote: »

I see the AADT at Whitegate is only just over 10k, it probably drops by 1k on the Cavan side of Virginia. I think the new road should join the existing N3 north west of Virginia and keep the single carriageway from there with widening, some properties CPOed, etc. A new section of road south of Lisgrey House and avoiding the junctions there would be sufficient. I'd like to see money directed towards removing the roundabouts in the middle of and at the western end of the existing 2+2. The existing 2+2 is 9.5km, add another ~12km bypassing Virginia and it would be a good stretch of Expressway if it only had LILO junctions. Leaving the existing roundabouts and likely adding at least one more (at the northern end of the Virginia bypass) would be a bit of a mess.

Do you mean putting over bridges at the Oldcastle & Mullagh Junctions?

Pete_Cavan · 12-11-2020 2:43pm

roadmaster wrote: »

Do you mean putting over bridges at the Oldcastle & Mullagh Junctions?

Put the R163 on a bridge over the N3 and create a LILO junction. Would be straightforward enough as the Drumbarragh side is already higher than the N3 so only have to build up the other side. Create another LILO at the existing northern end of 2+2 and extend 2+2 to the far side of Virginia. You could then have >20km of 2+2 without at grade junctions giving good journey times. Leaving the roundabouts on the existing 2+2 plus at least one more on the Virginia Bypass would leave it a rather disappointing road.

roadmaster · 12-11-2020 3:54pm

Pete_Cavan wrote: »

Put the R163 on a bridge over the N3 and create a LILO junction. Would be straightforward enough as the Drumbarragh side is already higher than the N3 so only have to build up the other side. Create another LILO at the existing northern end of 2+2 and extend 2+2 to the far side of Virginia. You could then have >20km of 2+2 without at grade junctions giving good journey times. Leaving the roundabouts on the existing 2+2 plus at least one more on the Virginia Bypass would leave it a rather disappointing road.

You could even very cheaply at the Northern roundabout using the end of the R147 put short new section of road to connect Mullagh. That way you get rid of that lethal junction

spacetweek · 12-11-2020 9:48pm

steeler j wrote: »

Any opinions of the purple route

It's silly and miles out of the way. N3 through traffic would be mad to follow it and will continue to go through Virginia.

steeler j · 12-11-2020 10:14pm

spacetweek wrote: »

It's silly and miles out of the way. N3 through traffic would be mad to follow it and will continue to go through Virginia.

I find it an route and I'm just curious as there reasons for it

ruwithme · 12-11-2020 10:42pm

What is a realistic,expected start date for construction?

roadmaster · 12-11-2020 11:34pm

ruwithme wrote: »

What is a realistic,expected start date for construction?

Minimum 3 years probably 4 years before a bucket is in the ground

roadmaster · 12-11-2020 11:36pm

steeler j wrote: »

I find it an route and I'm just curious as there reasons for it

I believe they have to give as many possible routes as possible so no one can object and say further down the planning process why did you not consider this route etc

steeler j · 13-11-2020 12:19am

roadmaster wrote: »

I believe they have to give as many possible routes as possible so no one can object and say further down the planning process why did you not consider this route etc

That's an interesting point , cover all bases on future objects and appeals

betistuc · 11-01-2021 3:59pm

Gatso van on the M3 last friday afternoon. First time I've seen one on a Motorway. He was parked up on one of the Garda vehicle mounds not long after the first toll booth heading north. He had his amber roof beacons flashing , so not sure if he was operating or not

13-01-2021 12:01am

Operating I reckon. Iv seen him there once or twice too.

spacetweek · 13-01-2021 12:23am

Let's stick to discussion of the Virginia Bypass here, please.

roadmaster · 04-03-2021 3:40pm

An interesting article on the Virginia Bypass and how the planning process can have implications for people who could end up being nowhere near the road

https://www.anglocelt.ie/2021/03/04/farmers-and-locals-in-limbo-while-route-being-finalised/

marno21 · 12-03-2021 7:14pm

https://irl.eu-supply.com/ctm/Supplier/PublicPurchase/184698/0/0?returnUrl=ctm/Supplier/publictenders&b=ETENDERS_SIMPLE

Tender out for archelogical LIDAR assessment.

Preferred route due this summer.

roadmaster · 31-03-2021 10:47pm

Aerial Survey of the routes this Friday

http://www.cavancoco.ie/Default.aspx?StructureID_str=255&guid=2962

marno21 · 12-05-2021 12:13am

Preferred route due in Q3.

According to Eamon Ryan, this project will commence construction in 2029. https://www.kildarestreet.com/wrans/?id=2021-03-24a.12

CountingCrows · 12-05-2021 9:55am

marno21 wrote: »

Preferred route due in Q3.

According to Eamon Ryan, this project will commence construction in 2029. https://www.kildarestreet.com/wrans/?id=2021-03-24a.12

Sometimes living in Ireland is so disheartening.

tigerboon · 12-05-2021 4:18pm

marno21 wrote: »

Preferred route due in Q3.

According to Eamon Ryan, this project will commence construction in 2029. https://www.kildarestreet.com/wrans/?id=2021-03-24a.12

I worked on a job in the early 90s and the hope was that the Virginia Bypass would be given the green light and that would the next job. By the time it's opened it'll be nearly 40 years later....It's nearly like that cathedral in Barcelona

forgottenhills · 12-05-2021 6:52pm

marno21 wrote: »

Preferred route due in Q3.

According to Eamon Ryan, this project will commence construction in 2029. https://www.kildarestreet.com/wrans/?id=2021-03-24a.12

Maybe if the plans included a cycle route it might be built straight away? The planners may have missed a trick...

piplip87 · 12-05-2021 7:00pm

2029... I can remember as a young lad going down to Sharkeys Hotel in Virginia to see the proposed routes. The Sharkeys are long gone and so are the proposed routes. This project is badly needed. Even this evening when many are still working from home the traffic coming into town is unreal. The mad thing is that very little of it stops in the town and is of no benefit to anybody.

I only hope the route they pick makes sense. Going round the far side of the lake doesn't make much sense as it will add time to people's journeys

Bummer1234 · 12-05-2021 8:14pm

2029!!! Holy F**k!!

marno21 · 14-06-2021 1:10pm

https://irl.eu-supply.com/ctm/Supplier/PublicPurchase/191130/0/0?returnUrl=ctm/Supplier/publictenders&b=ETENDERS_SIMPLE

Tender out for traffic data collection.

spacetweek · 14-06-2021 10:06pm

OK but as mentioned above this won't start till 2029 so won't their traffic figures be way out of date by then.

mugsymugsy · 14-06-2021 10:38pm

Nearly another decade of cars backed up to the glanbia factory on a Friday evening. Joys

munchkin_utd · 22-06-2021 7:47am

Cavan Co Co getting their ducks in a row !

Cavan County Council has moved to temporarily block any potential development on lands along corridors earmarked for the Virginia by-pass for fear it may “interfere” with the delivery of the key infrastructural project for the county.

By the end of Summer, the local authority expects to have identified its preferred route for the multi-million euro project. The corridors have already been whittled down from nine to five. Subject to approval, the council will begin finalising the statutory processes, including the compulsory purchase of land from Summer/Autumn 2022.

The stipulation to stave off development along proposed route corridors was passed unanimously by elected members as a Material Amendment to the Chief Executive’s Draft Cavan County Development Plan 2022-2028, which was put before them at the council meeting on Monday.

https://www.anglocelt.ie/2021/05/14/council-blocks-development-on-virginia-bypass-routes/

roadmaster · 18-08-2021 10:38am

Route to be announced tomorrow at 2pm!

Standard Toaster · 18-08-2021 12:45pm

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/117770528#Comment_117770528

http://www.n3virginiabypass.ie/news.html

Public Consultation No.3

The Emerging Preferred Option Corridor will be published at 2pm on Thursday 19th August 2021 on the project website www.n3virginiabypass.ie and linked via the Cavan County Council website at www.cavancoco.ie/n3-virginia-bypass. Details of the Emerging Preferred Option Corridor will also be published through local media and social media that week.

A third period of non-statutory public consultation seeking feedback on the Emerging Preferred Option Corridor will begin at 2pm on August 19, 2021 and will run until September 13, 2021.

Standard Toaster · 19-08-2021 3:47pm

No update yet 😑

Pete_Cavan · 19-08-2021 4:02pm

I see they are not proposing a junction with the R194 Mullagh Road but have retained this new Burrencarragh Link Road idea. This doesn't make a lot of sense to me. The Burrencarragh Link Road junction doesn't connect to any road to the north and seems entirely for the benefit of the Glanbia plant with no consideration for anything else. The junction layout as proposed makes the new road unusable for much of north east Cavan, people travelling to/from Mullagh and Kingscourt wouldn't use the new road they would use the existing roads at the end of the existing N3 DC.

I think a better strategy would be to move the Burrencarragh Link Road junction east so that it is immediately west of the L7102. This would make the link road much shorter, would serve more people (people living in the Maghera, Munterconnaughtt, Cross areas) as well as Virgina Transport and AW Ennis which generate high volumes of HGV movements. This would then make room for a new junction with the R194 which I think would be beneficial. Not only is it better for people travelling to/from Mullagh and Kingscourt, it is also means that all Virginia traffic isn't getting sent down the Bailieborough Road which isn't suitable for that volume.

N3 - Virginia Bypass [route options published]

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