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N3 - Virginia Bypass [route options published]

marno21

TII have confirmed that the Virginia bypass is back on the table and will be reactivated in 2018.

It is unclear whether this will be part of a wider Kells-Cavan town scheme or an isolated bypass

Either way, good news.

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roadmaster

Aerial Survey of the routes this Friday

http://www.cavancoco.ie/Default.aspx?StructureID_str=255&guid=2962

marno21

https://irl.eu-supply.com/ctm/Supplier/PublicPurchase/184698/0/0?returnUrl=ctm/Supplier/publictenders&b=ETENDERS_SIMPLE

Tender out for archelogical LIDAR assessment.

Preferred route due this summer.

roadmaster

An interesting article on the Virginia Bypass and how the planning process can have implications for people who could end up being nowhere near the road

https://www.anglocelt.ie/2021/03/04/farmers-and-locals-in-limbo-while-route-being-finalised/

spacetweek

Let's stick to discussion of the Virginia Bypass here, please.

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Operating I reckon. Iv seen him there once or twice too.

betistuc

Gatso van on the M3 last friday afternoon. First time I've seen one on a Motorway. He was parked up on one of the Garda vehicle mounds not long after the first toll booth heading north. He had his amber roof beacons flashing , so not sure if he was operating or not

steeler j

roadmaster wrote: »

I believe they have to give as many possible routes as possible so no one can object and say further down the planning process why did you not consider this route etc

That's an interesting point , cover all bases on future objects and appeals

roadmaster

steeler j wrote: »

I find it an route and I'm just curious as there reasons for it

I believe they have to give as many possible routes as possible so no one can object and say further down the planning process why did you not consider this route etc

roadmaster

ruwithme wrote: »

What is a realistic,expected start date for construction?

Minimum 3 years probably 4 years before a bucket is in the ground

ruwithme

What is a realistic,expected start date for construction?

steeler j

spacetweek wrote: »

It's silly and miles out of the way. N3 through traffic would be mad to follow it and will continue to go through Virginia.

I find it an route and I'm just curious as there reasons for it

spacetweek

steeler j wrote: »

Any opinions of the purple route

It's silly and miles out of the way. N3 through traffic would be mad to follow it and will continue to go through Virginia.

roadmaster

Pete_Cavan wrote: »

Put the R163 on a bridge over the N3 and create a LILO junction. Would be straightforward enough as the Drumbarragh side is already higher than the N3 so only have to build up the other side. Create another LILO at the existing northern end of 2+2 and extend 2+2 to the far side of Virginia. You could then have >20km of 2+2 without at grade junctions giving good journey times. Leaving the roundabouts on the existing 2+2 plus at least one more on the Virginia Bypass would leave it a rather disappointing road.

You could even very cheaply at the Northern roundabout using the end of the R147 put short new section of road to connect Mullagh. That way you get rid of that lethal junction

Pete_Cavan

roadmaster wrote: »

Do you mean putting over bridges at the Oldcastle & Mullagh Junctions?

Put the R163 on a bridge over the N3 and create a LILO junction. Would be straightforward enough as the Drumbarragh side is already higher than the N3 so only have to build up the other side. Create another LILO at the existing northern end of 2+2 and extend 2+2 to the far side of Virginia. You could then have >20km of 2+2 without at grade junctions giving good journey times. Leaving the roundabouts on the existing 2+2 plus at least one more on the Virginia Bypass would leave it a rather disappointing road.

roadmaster

Pete_Cavan wrote: »

I see the AADT at Whitegate is only just over 10k, it probably drops by 1k on the Cavan side of Virginia. I think the new road should join the existing N3 north west of Virginia and keep the single carriageway from there with widening, some properties CPOed, etc. A new section of road south of Lisgrey House and avoiding the junctions there would be sufficient. I'd like to see money directed towards removing the roundabouts in the middle of and at the western end of the existing 2+2. The existing 2+2 is 9.5km, add another ~12km bypassing Virginia and it would be a good stretch of Expressway if it only had LILO junctions. Leaving the existing roundabouts and likely adding at least one more (at the northern end of the Virginia bypass) would be a bit of a mess.

Do you mean putting over bridges at the Oldcastle & Mullagh Junctions?

Pete_Cavan

I see the AADT at Whitegate is only just over 10k, it probably drops by 1k on the Cavan side of Virginia. I think the new road should join the existing N3 north west of Virginia and keep the single carriageway from there with widening, some properties CPOed, etc. A new section of road south of Lisgrey House and avoiding the junctions there would be sufficient. I'd like to see money directed towards removing the roundabouts in the middle of and at the western end of the existing 2+2. The existing 2+2 is 9.5km, add another ~12km bypassing Virginia and it would be a good stretch of Expressway if it only had LILO junctions. Leaving the existing roundabouts and likely adding at least one more (at the northern end of the Virginia bypass) would be a bit of a mess.

Pete_Cavan

marno21 wrote: »

From a fairly rudimental reading of the map, I'd imagine they go for red (perhaps the grey alteration at the northern end) with the two blue link roads. The southern link road provides access to the town and the Glanbia plant, and the northern link road provides access to the R194. Two grade separated junctions and you have a very good scheme here.

I think the southern link is too far north, it could be moved at least 1km south which would give a better spacing of junctions and better serve the population south of Virginia plus Virginia Transport and AW Ennis which between them probably see more large vehicle movements than Glanbia.

I think a LILO situated between the R178 and R194 would be a better location with a parallel new road connecting to both. Traffic can then access Virginia by either of those roads plus Bailieborough and Mullagh. You could then have another junction on the northern side of Virginia which would again allow access to the town plus BJD.

marno21

_Kaiser_ wrote: »

I'd go for A myself. Used to live in the town a decade ago and was badly needed even then

A is traffic management with no new infrastructure.

From a fairly rudimental reading of the map, I'd imagine they go for red (perhaps the grey alteration at the northern end) with the two blue link roads. The southern link road provides access to the town and the Glanbia plant, and the northern link road provides access to the R194. Two grade separated junctions and you have a very good scheme here.

MayoSalmon

Anything but Option B...get it built

KrisW1001

forgottenhills wrote: »

Well from a farming perspective I hope its not chosen as it goes right through some of the only half-decent land in Cavan. Whereas the routes on the northern side of Lough Ramor go though what ranges from average land to bogland.

And as the previous poster alluded to if the purple route is chosen it would surely make sense to alter it to bring it closer to the east side of Ballyjamesduff to serve that town and merge with the existing N3 somewhere around the New Inns? As it is mapped currently that route would not go anywhere close to that town.

The big hill at Aghalion right between the purple route and Ballyjamesduff probably rules that out.

There's a possible route further west of that hill right at the edge of the study area, but that's taking the road very far out of its way, and you'd also need to go a long way beyond New Inn to bring the road around the Nadreegeel lakes (just off the left edge of this map).

Improved access to Ballyjamesduff can be achieved by improving R194 from where it meets the Purple route instead.

My feeling is Option C is the preferred one: it's the only one they've bothered to include link roads for, and it would make use of what would hopefully have been a protected corridor established back in 2003.

_Kaiser_

I'd go for A myself. Used to live in the town a decade ago and was badly needed even then

forgottenhills

steeler j wrote: »

Any opinions of the purple route

Well from a farming perspective I hope its not chosen as it goes right through some of the only half-decent land in Cavan. Whereas the routes on the northern side of Lough Ramor go though what ranges from average land to bogland.

And as the previous poster alluded to if the purple route is chosen it would surely make sense to alter it to bring it closer to the east side of Ballyjamesduff to serve that town and merge with the existing N3 somewhere around the New Inns? As it is mapped currently that route would not go anywhere close to that town.

roadmaster

steeler j wrote: »

Any opinions of the purple route

The positives would be it would open better access to ballyjamesduff( If they wanted they could improve the road from New Inn to ballyjamesduff for access) . The negatives would be cost i would say compare to the other options as its longer and there would be alot of muckshifting

steeler j

Any opinions of the purple route

forgottenhills

Bummer1234 wrote: »

N3 Virginia Bypass - Shortlisted Options

A virtual public consultation room will be accessible at www.innovision.ie/n3virginiabypass

At least 2 of the 4 shortlisted options now seem to meet up with the N3 north of Virginia at spots that are different to those shown on the previous map illustrating the 8 original route options. Is this normal? Can the routes be changed like this from the originals shown before the public consultation?

Bummer1234

N3 Virginia Bypass - Shortlisted Options

A virtual public consultation room will be accessible at www.innovision.ie/n3virginiabypass

roadmaster

There is nothing on the N3 website but this is from the Anglo Celt today

https://www.anglocelt.ie/2020/11/11/five-routes-outlined-for-virgina-bypass/

roadmaster

I think tomorrow the shortlisted route options are being announced for this project

spawinte

Sensors for the traffic study are in place.

Shaunoc

Cancelled in 2024