Random EV thoughts.....

AndyBoBandy · 11-05-2021 01:14PM

One thing I will say about EV driving and holding in a number 1.....

The motion of the car helps you hold it in a bit longer... which is fine on motorways etc.. but in city stop start traffic, the ICE engine idling definitely helps, whereas the EV does nothing to ease your pain!!

Old diesel · 11-05-2021 08:37PM

The issue ICE car drivers have with stopping is the idea of the car dictating where they stop and for how long imo.

Rather then stops per se.

I doubt Mr Dublin to Dingle man drives all the way there non stop - youd get as far as Limerick quick enough but the Limerick to Dingle stretch is a long slog imo.

What he probably doesnt want to do is be forced to stop at a particular spot like Obama Plaza.

Might suit him more to stop in Adare for lunch but no rapids there (illustration example).

the_amazing_raisin · 11-05-2021 08:57PM

Old diesel wrote: »

The issue ICE car drivers have with stopping is the idea of the car dictating where they stop and for how long imo.

Rather then stops per se.

I doubt Mr Dublin to Dingle man drives all the way there non stop - youd get as far as Limerick quick enough but the Limerick to Dingle stretch is a long slog imo.

What he probably doesnt want to do is be forced to stop at a particular spot like Obama Plaza.

Might suit him more to stop in Adare for lunch but no rapids there (illustration example).

I'm not gonna put words in the guys mouth, I'm just repeating what he said

If someone did say they wouldn't buy an EV because for example there was only a single charger along a regular long drive and they didn't like the area or facilities at that charger then I think that's a fair viewpoint

However they did say they were coming from Dublin. Even with our woeful infrastructure there's not many roads from Dublin that only have a single charger. Derry/Donegal/Sligo springs to mind as the worst route from Dublin for chargers

Doing the Wild Atlantic Way on public charging would be pretty nerve racking

JohnC. · 11-05-2021 09:18PM

Noticed a new charge point marked on both Plugshare and Google Maps in the IDA estate in Waterford.

https://www.google.com/maps/place/Virta+Global+Charging+Station/@52.245493,-7.144482,18z/data=!4m5!3m4!1s0x0:0xfe015771d058aea!8m2!3d52.245062!4d-7.145272?hl=en

There's no information, other than being marked as Virta Global, which appears to be a charging network, and it having 2 type-2 sockets. With its location, I'm not sure if its even public or a private business point. Anyone else know anything about it?

the_amazing_raisin · 11-05-2021 09:25PM

JohnC. wrote: »

Noticed a new charge point marked on both Plugshare and Google Maps in the IDA estate in Waterford.

https://www.google.com/maps/place/Virta+Global+Charging+Station/@52.245493,-7.144482,18z/data=!4m5!3m4!1s0x0:0xfe015771d058aea!8m2!3d52.245062!4d-7.145272?hl=en

There's no information, other than being marked as Virta Global, which appears to be a charging network, and it having 2 type-2 sockets. With its location, I'm not sure if its even public or a private business point. Anyone else know anything about it?

I literally cannot read the words Waterford and charger without imagining a picnic table beside the charger blocking one of the spaces

11-05-2021 09:47PM

the_amazing_raisin wrote: »

Yeah I saw some dude recently saying because the ID.4 can't get from Dublin to Dingle non-stop he won't consider an EV

"I couldn't be stuck in Barack Obama plaza for 30 mins" was his explanation

There'll always be naysayers :rolleyes:

He will be 30 minutes if he's the only one there. That's only the charge time.

MJohnston · 12-05-2021 08:33AM

Dublin Inquirer article about the Dublin councils struggling to create EV charging infrastructure:
https://dublininquirer.com/2021/05/12/unable-to-roll-out-and-run-a-network-of-electric-charging-points-council-seeks-help

cannco253 · 12-05-2021 09:00AM

Opel Vivaro-e article
https://www.irishtimes.com/life-and-style/motors/small-battery-big-load-opel-s-vivaro-e-gives-van-man-a-plug-1.4557158

The article isn't great, he mentions that the larger battery size would have been better for the 800km trip, but goes on to complain about having to decide to either turn the heat off or stop to charge again, and also the overall time taken due to driving below the speed limit. Any casual reader would just read this and nod their head without challenging it, reinforcing existing views on why EVs don't work in Ireland at the moment. He charged at Ionity Kill, I wonder if we'll see more vans in the coming year at public charging locations putting pressure on eCars network in particular given the price difference to Ionity.

https://www.opel.ie/vans/vivaro-c/vivaro-e/overview.html

"The new Opel Vivaro-e is available with a 50kWh battery for a range of up to 230km or a 75kWh battery for up to 330km.The high-energy density 50kWh/18-module and 75kWh/27-module batteries can charge from empty to 80% of optimum range in just 30 and 45 minutes respectively at a 100kW public charger. On-board 7.4kW or enhanced 11kW chargers are perfect to fully prepare your new Vivaro-e overnight for the full working day ahead."

the_amazing_raisin · 12-05-2021 09:17AM

MJohnston wrote: »

Dublin Inquirer article about the Dublin councils struggling to create EV charging infrastructure:
https://dublininquirer.com/2021/05/12/unable-to-roll-out-and-run-a-network-of-electric-charging-points-council-seeks-help

The three richest councils running the highest population density area in the country can't figure out how to install any chargers? I'm calling BS on that one they don't want the hassle

I noticed they didn't seem to have any problems getting some consultants to tell them to farm it out to ESB, I'm sure they didn't come cheap

MJohnston · 12-05-2021 09:36AM

the_amazing_raisin wrote: »

The three richest councils running the highest population density area in the country can't figure out how to install any chargers? I'm calling BS on that one they don't want the hassle

I noticed they didn't seem to have any problems getting some consultants to tell them to farm it out to ESB, I'm sure they didn't come cheap

I'd be curious as to whether DLRCC are quite as enthusiastic about this working group as the rest — they definitely seemed to have a much better handle on trialling alternate forms of charging infrastructure and are nowhere near as reluctant to change as DCC.

ELM327 · 12-05-2021 09:44AM

Deleted User wrote: »

He will be 30 minutes if he's the only one there. That's only the charge time.

He'll be longer. Obama Plaza is supply limited so doesnt deliver 50kW.

the_amazing_raisin · 12-05-2021 09:53AM

ELM327 wrote: »

He'll be longer. Obama Plaza is supply limited so doesnt deliver 50kW.

Or just detour to Cashel and use Ionity, 4 chargers to choose from

It'll cost about 30 mins but probably an overall saving since it's a faster charger and less chance of waiting

ELM327 · 12-05-2021 09:56AM

Finally a reasonably priced electric van with rapid charging. 100kW.

36k starting price is similar to a transit.

Old diesel · 12-05-2021 11:02AM

cannco253 wrote: »

Opel Vivaro-e article
https://www.irishtimes.com/life-and-style/motors/small-battery-big-load-opel-s-vivaro-e-gives-van-man-a-plug-1.4557158

The article isn't great, he mentions that the larger battery size would have been better for the 800km trip, but goes on to complain about having to decide to either turn the heat off or stop to charge again, and also the overall time taken due to driving below the speed limit. Any casual reader would just read this and nod their head without challenging it, reinforcing existing views on why EVs don't work in Ireland at the moment. He charged at Ionity Kill, I wonder if we'll see more vans in the coming year at public charging locations putting pressure on eCars network in particular given the price difference to Ionity.

https://www.opel.ie/vans/vivaro-c/vivaro-e/overview.html

"The new Opel Vivaro-e is available with a 50kWh battery for a range of up to 230km or a 75kWh battery for up to 330km.The high-energy density 50kWh/18-module and 75kWh/27-module batteries can charge from empty to 80% of optimum range in just 30 and 45 minutes respectively at a 100kW public charger. On-board 7.4kW or enhanced 11kW chargers are perfect to fully prepare your new Vivaro-e overnight for the full working day ahead."

I feel the article is a reflection of his experience over the time with the van.

Wrong vehicle for that trip with the 50 kwh battery on a regular basis - absolutely.

The thing with these vans is that with 40 to 50 kwh batteries - they are meant for doing a delivery route around town/city.

The van shape also hurts range at speed.

Think of it like ICE cars vs ICE vans - you could have a 1.4 petrol in an ICE car like a Golf but you wont see a 1.4 petrol in a Merc Sprinter van.

To me the article appears to point to the battery spec of this van as the issue rather then EVs as a wider thing

Edit - to me this review was more about this exact van and not EVs in general so im viewing it on that basis

kanuseeme · 12-05-2021 11:02AM

the_amazing_raisin wrote: »

Or just detour to Cashel and use Ionity, 4 chargers to choose from

It'll cost about 30 mins but probably an overall saving since it's a faster charger and less chance of waiting

He probably wont, detour 30 minutes to be sure of what? Charging for 20 minutes instead? At prices that are more expensive than fossil fuel and there are only 4 chargers how long before 4 is not enough.

innrain · 12-05-2021 11:05AM

the_amazing_raisin wrote: »

The three richest councils running the highest population density area in the country can't figure out how to install any chargers? I'm calling BS on that one they don't want the hassle

I noticed they didn't seem to have any problems getting some consultants to tell them to farm it out to ESB, I'm sure they didn't come cheap

I call BS on this although the news is not new, consultants were due to be hired in January 2020. Here are the tender documents. Did they ever looked out of the window?

And before we're told is not LAs job to do this here is a collection of local councils in Germany
https://www.e-laden.info/html/page.php?page_id=8
They don't only have their own network they do roaming agreements with other providers trying to get best prices for their residents. Some of them have the cheapest rates for Ionity like 40c per minte.

Look at Rodau they have e-car sharing @ 99c/h That is the best EV promoting you can get. Who wouldn't drive test one just for fun? Is it cheaper that the bikes scheme here in some cases. It's definitely cheaper than the ebike one.
And look at the way they think over here. PDF.

the_amazing_raisin · 12-05-2021 11:06AM

ELM327 wrote: »

Finally a reasonably priced electric van with rapid charging. 100kW.

36k starting price is similar to a transit.

Interestingly they included the commercial SEAI grant, was half expecting them to just put the €5k one in

Price includes VAT, can that be claimed back for a business purchase? I seem to remember the rules around this for a vehicle pruchase were tricky

the_amazing_raisin · 12-05-2021 11:09AM

kanuseeme wrote: »

He probably wont, detour 30 minutes to be sure of what? Charging for 20 minutes instead? At prices that are more expensive than fossil fuel and there are only 4 chargers how long before 4 is not enough.

15 mins in an ID.4

Get an Ionity subscription if you're using it regularly, pays off big time

Given the complaining people do about Ionity prices, I'd assume those stalls are gathering dust and are never used :P

ELM327 · 12-05-2021 11:46AM

the_amazing_raisin wrote: »

Interestingly they included the commercial SEAI grant, was half expecting them to just put the €5k one in

Price includes VAT, can that be claimed back for a business purchase? I seem to remember the rules around this for a vehicle pruchase were tricky

Generally you'd want to lease rather than purchase and claim back the vat on the lease. Lease is opex and purchase is capex - there are different rules, but having not yet registered for VAT I'm not sure. Threshold for business vat registration is ~70k

Wonder if electric vans are eligible for the same ACCA as a chargepoint?

TitianGerm · 12-05-2021 11:50AM

ELM327 wrote: »

Generally you'd want to lease rather than purchase and claim back the vat on the lease. Lease is opex and purchase is capex - there are different rules, but having not yet registered for VAT I'm not sure. Threshold for business vat registration is ~70k

Wonder if electric vans are eligible for the same ACCA as a chargepoint?

If you lease you have to claim the vat back on each lease payment. If it's on HP or a cash purchase you claim the vat straight away.

kanuseeme · 12-05-2021 12:10PM

the_amazing_raisin wrote: »

15 mins in an ID.4

Get an Ionity subscription if you're using it regularly, pays off big time

Given the complaining people do about Ionity prices, I'd assume those stalls are gathering dust and are never used :P

So 45 minutes then, given he did not want to spend 30 minutes, 45 minutes sounds reasonable.

Ionity I thought charged 79 cents, but after going to 4 different click "here"s it seems its 0.73 EUR / kWh.

A regular user would indeed benefit form a subscription, but seeing that ecars rate is 20 % cheaper than using fossil fuel, a subscription service through whoever on ionity is not going to match ecars price.

Any picture I see of Ionity posted here shows iced or empty, so gathering dust is probably right.

the_amazing_raisin · 12-05-2021 12:57PM

kanuseeme wrote: »

So 45 minutes then, given he did not want to spend 30 minutes, 45 minutes sounds reasonable.

I was going off of ABRP, the 30 mins includes 15 mins charging

Alternatively there's a 16 mins stop at Portlaoise plaza, which is cheaper and more direct, but since there's only 1 HPC, more likely to turn into a 45 mins stop due to waiting or using the 50kW unit

kanuseeme · 12-05-2021 02:13PM

I have been looking at Japanese cars since brexit, came across this.

https://www.jauce.com/auction/546735179

liamog · 12-05-2021 02:38PM

kanuseeme wrote: »

Any picture I see of Ionity posted here shows iced or empty, so gathering dust is probably right.

aka reliably available

AndyBoBandy · 12-05-2021 04:31PM

Not sure how I did it, but I seem to have had some sort of error after looking at that Prius/camper ad…

Redfox25 · 12-05-2021 04:52PM

I like the way the blue plastic blends in with the car colour. Great attention to detail there.

kanuseeme · 12-05-2021 05:11PM

Auction ended. starting big was 25 k or so for a 2014 14000km prius phev camper something or other.

the_amazing_raisin · 12-05-2021 06:51PM

VW are going to be testing an autonomous ID.Buzz in Hamburg this summer

https://www.carscoops.com/2021/05/volkswagen-will-start-testing-autonomous-id-buzz-in-hamburg/

Seems ambitious, I'm guessing it'll be following a set route or something

Still, I hope it goes well, one step closer to autonomous cars

the_amazing_raisin · 12-05-2021 06:52PM

kanuseeme wrote: »

Auction ended. starting big was 25 k or so for a 2014 14000km prius phev camper something or other.

I somehow hate that car but want to buy one

RandomViewer · 12-05-2021 07:57PM

kanuseeme wrote: »

Auction ended. starting big was 25 k or so for a 2014 14000km prius phev camper something or other.

Looks like a portaloo at the back,

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