Random EV thoughts.....

liamog · 10-05-2021 01:48PM

Nekarsulm wrote: »

One problem of increasing numbers of EV's on the road, and of people taking their test in them, is that any job involving driving a van etc will require you to sit the test all over again..

Won't be very long till we see hybrids proliferate through the light commercial vehicle market. A lot of European cities are introducing low emission zones, van manufacturers will need to ensure their vehicles are suitable.

cannco253 · 10-05-2021 02:08PM

Ireland needs water charges to meet environmental targets, OECD warns
via The Irish Times
https://www.irishtimes.com/news/environment/ireland-needs-water-charges-to-meet-environmental-targets-oecd-warns-1.4560401
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This should, the OECD added, “gradually increase the diesel tax rate so it at least reaches the petrol tax rate [and] phase out the price cap for diesel used by road hauliers”.

Given the likely shift to electric vehicles over the coming decade, it said the Government should prepare to shift the focus of road transport taxation from fuel use to road use through road use pricing based on geographic information systems.”

ELM327 · 10-05-2021 02:11PM

cannco253 wrote: »

Ireland needs water charges to meet environmental targets, OECD warns
via The Irish Times
https://www.irishtimes.com/news/environment/ireland-needs-water-charges-to-meet-environmental-targets-oecd-warns-1.4560401
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This should, the OECD added, “gradually increase the diesel tax rate so it at least reaches the petrol tax rate [and] phase out the price cap for diesel used by road hauliers”.

Given the likely shift to electric vehicles over the coming decade, it said the Government should prepare to shift the focus of road transport taxation from fuel use to road use through road use pricing based on geographic information systems.”

Yeah good luck with that.

ELM327 · 10-05-2021 02:12PM

kanuseeme wrote: »

Whats the problem with them?, any increase in fuel efficiency should be welcomed.

A slight decrease in time spent at a charger because of a better charging curve is hailed as a great success.

Most people are delighted with their fuel efficient hybrids and would probably encourage their next choice to be a phev or ev.

Hybrid sales are at nearly 19% while EV at 6.18 % and phevs at 6.12%:D:D:D:D

mhevs are just petrol engines with 48v as opposed to 12v circuits and a big alternator. Stop Start tech.

slave1 · 10-05-2021 02:21PM

kanuseeme wrote: »

Whats the problem with them?, any increase in fuel efficiency should be welcomed.

A slight decrease in time spent at a charger because of a better charging curve is hailed as a great success.

Most people are delighted with their fuel efficient hybrids and would probably encourage their next choice to be a phev or ev.

Hybrid sales are at nearly 19% while EV at 6.18 % and phevs at 6.12%:D:D:D:D

No problem with them but they are not required as there are plenty of PHEV's out there so why this additional step to pure BEV.
BEV are now here with the range everyone was whinging about 3/4 years ago, now the whinge is price of them.

Used BEV's are now available with 400kms range below €30k.

What will the next whinge be I wonder?

ELM327 · 10-05-2021 02:24PM

slave1 wrote: »

No problem with them but they are not required as there are plenty of PHEV's out there so why this additional step to pure BEV.
BEV are now here with the range everyone was whinging about 3/4 years ago, now the whinge is price of them.

Used BEV's are now available with 400kms range below €30k.

What will the next whinge be I wonder?

"I need to get to cork" has now changed to "I need to get to cork and back without charging".

200 became 300 became 400 became 600+km range "needed".

the_amazing_raisin · 10-05-2021 02:31PM

ELM327 wrote: »

"I need to get to cork" has now changed to "I need to get to cork and back without charging".

200 became 300 became 400 became 600+km range "needed".

Yeah I saw some dude recently saying because the ID.4 can't get from Dublin to Dingle non-stop he won't consider an EV

"I couldn't be stuck in Barack Obama plaza for 30 mins" was his explanation

There'll always be naysayers :rolleyes:

eagerv · 10-05-2021 02:48PM

the_amazing_raisin wrote: »

Yeah I saw some dude recently saying because the ID.4 can't get from Dublin to Dingle non-stop he won't consider an EV

"I couldn't be stuck in Barack Obama plaza for 30 mins" was his explanation

There'll always be naysayers :rolleyes:

What always makes me laugh is when people tell me they would hate the hassle of having to plug in and charge. The same people would probably only have to charge once a week while they sleep...

mfceiling · 10-05-2021 02:59PM

the_amazing_raisin wrote: »

Yeah I saw some dude recently saying because the ID.4 can't get from Dublin to Dingle non-stop he won't consider an EV

"I couldn't be stuck in Barack Obama plaza for 30 mins" was his explanation

There'll always be naysayers :rolleyes:

I have a holiday home at inch beach. With a full charge and the car packed with kids, clothes etc I could maybe do it on a single charge but by Jesus would the moaning be unreal.

It will be a stop in birdhill, plug into the supercharger, get a coffee, stretch the legs and use the facilities. Then it will be an easy run the rest of the way. Car will be plugged into a wall socket and by the time we've eaten, showered and had 10 hours sleep I should have close to 300kms range again.

Can't understand any single person who would gladly take on a 4 hour journey without a single rest break. Doesn't make sense.

MJohnston · 10-05-2021 03:32PM

People who drive for more than 300kms in Ireland without stopping are psychopaths, I'm willing to say it. Don't trust them with kids, let alone a driving machine.

the_amazing_raisin · 10-05-2021 04:35PM

MJohnston wrote: »

People who drive for more than 300kms in Ireland without stopping are psychopaths, I'm willing to say it. Don't trust them with kids, let alone a driving machine.

They're basically the reason car manufacturers have to put in systems to keep an eye on the driver and make sure they haven't fallen asleep

the_amazing_raisin · 10-05-2021 04:37PM

eagerv wrote: »

What always makes me laugh is when people tell me they would hate the hassle of having to plug in and charge. The same people would probably only have to charge once a week while they sleep...

Same folks who probably went from a Nokia 3310 which they plugged in once a week to a smartphone which has to be plugged in once a day and are happy with that :pac:

markpb · 10-05-2021 05:09PM

MJohnston wrote: »

People who drive for more than 300kms in Ireland without stopping are psychopaths, I'm willing to say it. Don't trust them with kids, let alone a driving machine.

I've done it several times when I'm by myself. 4-5 hours would be my limit, I don't feel the need to stop if it's any shorter than that. I'd never do it with kids in the car though.

I'm not saying I'm not a psychopath

RandomViewer · 10-05-2021 05:15PM

liamog wrote: »

Won't be very long till we see hybrids proliferate through the light commercial vehicle market. A lot of European cities are introducing low emission zones, van manufacturers will need to ensure their vehicles are suitable.

Ford call it "Last Mile" basically a low cost electric van with minimal distance, probably be speed limited, sort of 21st century milkfloat

liamog · 10-05-2021 05:28PM

Not sure why you'd bother with the low cost EV vans when you can just see use a BEV such as An Post use, for last mile deliveries you've got the e-Bike rickshaws such as UPS are using.

I'm talking about more general hybrid or PHEV vans to suit users like ELM where a dedicated BEV would be too much money, but some level of electrification is still required for operation within city limits.

RandomViewer · 10-05-2021 05:33PM

liamog wrote: »

Not sure why you'd bother with the low cost EV vans when you can just see use a BEV such as An Post use, for last mile deliveries you've got the e-Bike rickshaws such as UPS are using.

I'm talking about more general hybrid or PHEV vans to suit users like ELM where a dedicated BEV would be too much money, but some level of electrification is still required for operation within city limits.

The Ford plan seems to be the van acting as a mobile base and the couriers running up the streets with the deliveries, they say one van and a few people on foot or cycling can replace 5 vans

https://www.ford-mobility.eu/business-solutions/last-mile

the_amazing_raisin · 10-05-2021 05:38PM

markpb wrote: »

I've done it several times when I'm by myself. 4-5 hours would be my limit, I don't feel the need to stop if it's any shorter than that. I'd never do it with kids in the car though.

I'm not saying I'm not a psychopath

To be fair if you spent the day driving around Dublin city centre, you could probably cover less than 100km in 5 hours

You'd definitely be a psychopath after going through that

the_amazing_raisin · 10-05-2021 05:41PM

liamog wrote: »

Not sure why you'd bother with the low cost EV vans when you can just see use a BEV such as An Post use, for last mile deliveries you've got the e-Bike rickshaws such as UPS are using.

I'm talking about more general hybrid or PHEV vans to suit users like ELM where a dedicated BEV would be too much money, but some level of electrification is still required for operation within city limits.

There's a bit of greenwashing going on with An Post. They've done a lot to adopt EVs, but I've noticed a lot of postmen around Swords use their own cars to deliver the post

And they often use a rental van for parcel deliveries

I suspect since those aren't An Post vehicles they're not counted towards carbon emissions

MJohnston · 10-05-2021 09:02PM

the_amazing_raisin wrote: »

There's a bit of greenwashing going on with An Post. They've done a lot to adopt EVs, but I've noticed a lot of postmen around Swords use their own cars to deliver the post

And they often use a rental van for parcel deliveries

I suspect since those aren't An Post vehicles they're not counted towards carbon emissions

I'd imagine those are due to the massive upsurge in internet orders during the pandemic.

JPA · 10-05-2021 09:36PM

markpb wrote: »

I've done it several times when I'm by myself. 4-5 hours would be my limit, I don't feel the need to stop if it's any shorter than that. I'd never do it with kids in the car though.

I'm not saying I'm not a psychopath

Super bladder!

liamog · 10-05-2021 09:52PM

JPA wrote: »

Super bladder!

Yet another example of me feeling like I'm adulting wrong, am I the only person who can go 5/6 hours without needing to go the bathroom?

Calahonda52 · 11-05-2021 08:51AM

the_amazing_raisin wrote: »

Yeah I saw some dude recently saying because the ID.4 can't get from Dublin to Dingle non-stop he won't consider an EV

"I couldn't be stuck in Barack Obama plaza for 30 mins" was his explanation

There'll always be naysayers :rolleyes:

not to mind the hour he would spend in the M50 carpark

ELM327 · 11-05-2021 09:51AM

liamog wrote: »

Yet another example of me feeling like I'm adulting wrong, am I the only person who can go 5/6 hours without needing to go the bathroom?

Dont know about you but generally I'm 2-3 hours driving before I need to stop!

liamog · 11-05-2021 10:03AM

I'd don't find that driving affects my bathroom schedule very much, certainly not to the point I'd accuse another driver of being a psychopath because they didn't stop for a bathroom break.

the_amazing_raisin · 11-05-2021 10:14AM

liamog wrote: »

Yet another example of me feeling like I'm adulting wrong, am I the only person who can go 5/6 hours without needing to go the bathroom?

I find my caffeine intake goes up when driving, forcing me to stop more often, which means I generally buy myself another coffee while stopped, thus causing me to stop more often

It's a vicious cycle

the_amazing_raisin · 11-05-2021 10:15AM

liamog wrote: »

I'd don't find that driving affects my bathroom schedule very much, certainly not to the point I'd accuse another driver of being a psychopath because they didn't stop for a bathroom break.

More like a rest break, I find 2-3 hours of driving pretty tiring, not sure I could do 4-5 hours without a break and still be functional at the end

DrPhilG · 11-05-2021 10:21AM

Yeah the longer the driving run, the longer it takes my stiff old 40 year old body to get out of the car and stretch back into the ability to walk.

AndyBoBandy · 11-05-2021 10:24AM

the_amazing_raisin wrote: »

More like a rest break, I find 2-3 hours of driving pretty tiring,

I'd have been the same in ICE cars, but since getting a Model 3, driving any sort of distance is a lot lot more relaxing (using autopilot/autosteer)..

Back in February I did a trip down to Cork and back, 686 km's in total (granted I had a stop at Ballacolla on the way down and back up, as well as 2 charging stops in Cork, and then a 2 hour visit to a site), and as we were getting home, I genuinely felt as fresh as a daisy!! I'd done long days drives like that before, and would always be destroyed by the end of it, but in the Model 3 this particular day, I could have easily done another 300-400 km's on a whim.....

Now my only limit is my bladder, and the range of the car... and I actually enjoy the (forced) charging stops. I'd never take breaks in an ICE unless a toilet stop was needed, and just motor on.... but in the EV, the breaks are almost mandated, and I feel so much better for them.. you get to switch off for 20-30 minutes...

the_amazing_raisin · 11-05-2021 11:36AM

AndyBoBandy wrote: »

I'd have been the same in ICE cars, but since getting a Model 3, driving any sort of distance is a lot lot more relaxing (using autopilot/autosteer)..

Back in February I did a trip down to Cork and back, 686 km's in total (granted I had a stop at Ballacolla on the way down and back up, as well as 2 charging stops in Cork, and then a 2 hour visit to a site), and as we were getting home, I genuinely felt as fresh as a daisy!! I'd done long days drives like that before, and would always be destroyed by the end of it, but in the Model 3 this particular day, I could have easily done another 300-400 km's on a whim.....

Now my only limit is my bladder, and the range of the car... and I actually enjoy the (forced) charging stops. I'd never take breaks in an ICE unless a toilet stop was needed, and just motor on.... but in the EV, the breaks are almost mandated, and I feel so much better for them.. you get to switch off for 20-30 minutes...

Yeah I imagine having autopilot or something similar would remove some of the mental load of driving. Even dumb cruise control on the Leaf means I don't have to concentrate on maintaining speed

I find the lack of an engine droning in the background helps too, means you're less stressed while driving so you don't get worn out as quickly

MJohnston · 11-05-2021 12:34PM

liamog wrote: »

I'd don't find that driving affects my bathroom schedule very much, certainly not to the point I'd accuse another driver of being a psychopath because they didn't stop for a bathroom break.

It was just a joke!

Also, I didn't actually mention bathroom breaks — fatigue, back stiffness, and breaking the monotony are usually why I stop, if I'm on my own.

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