F1 2021 Round 4 : Spanish Grand Prix

Joeface · 06-05-2021 8:31am #1

Schedule
FP1 Fri, 07 May 10:30

FP2 Fri, 07 May 14:00

FP3 Sat, 08 May 11:00

QU Sat, 08 May 14:00

Race Sun, 09 May 14:00

Never find this track Interesting ,it rarely delivers and not helped by the constant reminders that it is "very difficult to over take here"

I predicted Vettel getting into Q3 last week and to my surprise I got that right.
This week , I will say he gets his first points .......probably 10th .
but given how tight the mid field is I am not sure at whos expense. and yes I am trolling my own post

Jordan 199 · 06-05-2021 8:45am

I hate turn 14 and 15. Have a strong dislike of it from the Forza Motorsport games.

Joeface · 06-05-2021 9:27am

Jordan 199 wrote: »

I hate turn 14 and 15. Have a strong dislike of it from the Forza Motorsport games.

Is that dislike of , maintaining Track limits and pace or ...

flazio · 06-05-2021 5:19pm

Joeface wrote: »

Is that dislike of , maintaining Track limits and pace or ...

Bit of both. It's also the Gran Turismo Nations Cup track this weekend, Super Formula cars (former Formula Nippon) and that last section is brutal. You have to almost tip toe through it.

Jordan 199 · 06-05-2021 9:56pm

LIGHTNING wrote: »

Thats cos they are **** mickey mouse corners they added to slow down the cars. Was much better before they were added

Aye:

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Frank Bullitt · 06-05-2021 10:23pm

Turn 10 reprofiled as well. I really hate that last section though, that crap chicane really ruined it.

SureYWouldntYa · 06-05-2021 10:28pm

The optimist in me is hoping for a better race since they didn't do the testing at Barcelona

The pessimist realist in me thinks Saturday is all that will matter, barring rain or mistakes

Frank Bullitt · 06-05-2021 10:42pm

SureYWouldntYa wrote: »

The optimist in me is hoping for a better race since they didn't do the testing at Barcelona

The pessimist realist in me thinks Saturday is all that will matter, barring rain or mistakes

Teams could probably tell you what positions and lap times they will get before a wheel turns.

Charlie-Bravo · 07-05-2021 9:39am

Bottas has put out a notice that he's not going to be replaced mid-season because he has a contract and there is only team that does that to its drivers.

Well, that's ruined his chance of joining Red Bull when he gets dropped.

07-05-2021 9:48am

Charlie-Bravo wrote: »

Bottas has put out a notice that he's not going to be replaced mid-season because he has a contract and there is only team that does that to its drivers.

Well, that's ruined his chance of joining Red Bull when he gets dropped.

Haha, what a little bitch.

Joeface · 07-05-2021 9:57am

Not sure anyone really wants to drive the second Redbull car

Perez own words "What I used to do in races simply doesn’t work with this car’, he is now the third driver to say that .
and Anthony Davison (Sky) I think it was at Imola he conceded the cars were very different ,he was following in car footage of both Max and Perez going through the same section and commenting on how different the cars were. He said it wasn't the driver difference it was the car.

And who would really want to have to say hi with a smile to Marko . Do other teams have a Marko that really decides a drivers faith.

flazio · 07-05-2021 10:24am

Some good news on the radio front.
https://twitter.com/benedwardstv/status/1390595858282987520?s=19

Charlie-Bravo · 07-05-2021 10:40am

Jack is doing the Formula-e Monaco race then. Ben would be great to listen to - now to see if I can sync BBC 5live sound and Sky video!

klose · 07-05-2021 10:50am

What benefit is there in giving nissany a spin and having your most competitive driver Russell soaking in the sun in the paddock? Money I know, but it's quite odd to see.

Joeface · 07-05-2021 11:41am

Interesting enough FP1 , bit ruined by an alfa red flag for getting stuck in the gravel

Not bad times by the Ferrari on Medium tyres but its early days

Charlie-Bravo · 07-05-2021 12:00pm

I thought practice 1 was a little short...it was only an hour long, as is FP2! When did that change?

Joeface · 07-05-2021 12:03pm

all FP sessions are only an hour long this season . Rule change

El_Duderino 09 · 07-05-2021 12:33pm

klose wrote: »

What benefit is there in giving nissany a spin and having your most competitive driver Russell soaking in the sun in the paddock? Money I know, but it's quite odd to see.

Same with Kubica in the Alfa. And he binned it and caused the red flag. Not the showpiece comeback of Kubica's hopes and dreams. Still finished ahead of Mazepin though.

PsychoPete · 07-05-2021 1:19pm

Mazepin shouldn't be allowed anywhere near a F1 car

oceanman · 07-05-2021 1:26pm

PsychoPete wrote: »

Mazepin shouldn't be allowed anywhere near a F1 car

they used to say that about max verstappen...:pac:

Joeface · 07-05-2021 2:05pm

I like this detail . Alpha Tauri only team sure of themselves ...5TH

T-Maxx · 07-05-2021 2:10pm

...and Haas 10th.

Joeface · 07-05-2021 2:13pm

sorry , I missed the white , I thought it was just a thick line at the end

Joeface · 07-05-2021 3:13pm

1st to 14th gap is inside 1sec.

SureYWouldntYa · 07-05-2021 3:33pm

Joeface wrote: »

1st to 14th gap is inside 1sec.

Verstappen doing long runs?

Only FP2 but you'd still rather be up the table

Joeface · 07-05-2021 3:36pm

Bit of Traffic and Track limits when he was doing Fast laps at the start , then went on to long runs
Even that pace was a bit behind , Commentary was Alpha Tauri running engine mode in full, Redbull probably running with engine mode Turned town . ..........Sand bag Fridays

Adamocovic · 07-05-2021 4:08pm

Vettel looking decent with the improvements this week.

Will be interesting to see how much it helps. Seemed to help stroll for race pace last week.

This is it · 07-05-2021 4:27pm

LeClerc looking good. .165 off first and just behind both Mercedes. Ferrari seems decent in short runs, qualifying, etc. but struggling a little on race day but big improvement over last season.

pjohnson · 07-05-2021 6:57pm

Dan Ric really struggling to adapt.

SureYWouldntYa · 07-05-2021 7:44pm

pjohnson wrote: »

Dan Ric really struggling to adapt.

Very surprised with this

Most of us would have put him near the top tier of drivers coming into the season, you probably have Max and Lewis in their own category up top, then in the next one you'll have a mismash of names depending on your opinion but I'd say most of us would have Ricciardo in that tier

He could well come good yet, but Norris is showing him up now, more than the Hulk did in his initial Renault days

Joeface · 07-05-2021 7:56pm

All the movers have been a bit hit and Miss , Both Alonso and Ric have been poor in qual but actually had good race days.
Sainz is the mover that has progressed the best. Perez is still unknown to me . Vettel has improved but has nothing to show for it .

This was my cut off race for excuses because of the shortened winter testing I figured they would need at least 4 races to adapt and show improvement . After this weekend I think really they should be improved enough to be completive.

Even more so at this track as they all have spent lifetimes testing here.

flazio · 07-05-2021 8:16pm

pjohnson wrote: »

Dan Ric really struggling to adapt.

Found that the BBC commentary of the free practice sessions is available on the BBC sounds app without regional restrictions. I make no secret that I'm a fan of Ben Edwards' commentary and he really gelled with the team like a duck to water.

Anyway during that commentary Andrew Benson (yes I know) made an interesting observation. The Mercedes engine revs higher than the Renault and Ferrari engines and that could be what Ricc and Vettel are struggling with.

Inquitus · 07-05-2021 8:26pm

What's the Merc v Red Bull thoughts so far, nip and tuck again? Gonna depend on qually and race tactics or is a stronger car beginning to emerge? Was working all day and didn't get to see any of FP.

07-05-2021 8:33pm

Did they go and reduce the biggest braking zone on the circuit?

AMKC · 07-05-2021 9:59pm

Nice to see the two Alpines up in 4th and 5th in FP2. Hope they can keep up the good form.
Hope Vettel has a good weekend this weekend.
Hope Red Bull and Max can put it up to Mercedes and that we get exciting Qualifying and race sessions.

SureYWouldntYa · 07-05-2021 10:47pm

flazio wrote: »

The Mercedes engine revs higher than the Renault and Ferrari engines and that could be what Ricc and Vettel are struggling with.

Norris is dealing fine with a Mercedes engine having been with a Renault engine last year

He's not dealing with everything else that comes with a new car I suppose but it's not the only issue Vettel and Ricciardo are dealing with

prettyboy81 · 08-05-2021 8:44am

Any chance of rain this weekend in Barcelona.

Joeface · 08-05-2021 8:56am

Nope , clear skies for the race

flazio · 08-05-2021 11:21am

No rain in Spain, the race will be plain.

Charlie-Bravo · 08-05-2021 11:54am

FP3 is interesting. Real mix of fast laps going in. Gonna be hard to call who ends up where in Qualy, except for Haas.

Ferrari in the mix with Merc and RB.

Joeface · 08-05-2021 12:10pm

The end of that session had big jump in times.

Ferrari do look completive .

El_Duderino 09 · 08-05-2021 12:13pm

Joeface wrote: »

All the movers have been a bit hit and Miss , Both Alonso and Ric have been poor in qual but actually had good race days.
Sainz is the mover that has progressed the best. Perez is still unknown to me . Vettel has improved but has nothing to show for it .

This was my cut off race for excuses because of the shortened winter testing I figured they would need at least 4 races to adapt and show improvement . After this weekend I think really they should be improved enough to be completive.

Even more so at this track as they all have spent lifetimes testing here.

4 races is a fair length of time to make an initial assessment -norris is significantly fastest overall than Ric up to this point. But we'll just have to see how the season plays out. If Ric is up to speed with Norris by half way through the season then we'd have to make another assessment along the lines of "he failed to get up to speed with norris quickly, but now they're at a similar pace".

The early results are in. But we'll just have to see how it goes.

klose · 08-05-2021 12:20pm

4 races/3 odd months is plenty time to get up to speed, but is Monaco the circuit where you'd want to be making calls on weather a driver will get up to speed or not?

Joeface · 08-05-2021 12:45pm

klose wrote: »

4 races/3 odd months is plenty time to get up to speed, but is Monaco the circuit where you'd want to be making calls on weather a driver will get up to speed or not?

it doesn't really have anything to do with the circuit , its where you kinda have to stop saying they are not use x y and z in the car . I had extra time for them as it was not just new cars , it was new engines for some of them as well , eg Riccardo and Vettel never used Mercedes engine , Perez never used the Honda and Redbull car has shown to be difficult for drivers to adapt to . Alonso has been way for a long enough time and age is starting to be against him . Sainz was going a team that was not suppose to be in the running and also going form a pretty damn good Mclaren car . ( he has adapted the best as far as I can see)
I was been Kind to all

Itssoeasy · 08-05-2021 1:48pm

Oh there’s turn 13 and 14.

Itssoeasy · 08-05-2021 2:00pm

Qualifying delayed by ten minutes.

Ryano87 · 08-05-2021 2:01pm

Itssoeasy wrote: »

Qualifying delayed by ten minutes.

What happened? I see them fixing a barrier

Irishjg · 08-05-2021 2:03pm

Someone had an off in a low cat race earlier. 10 minute delay

Itssoeasy · 08-05-2021 2:04pm

Ryano87 wrote: »

What happened? I see them fixing a barrier

Crash during a support race damaged the barrier and it needed more time to fix it.

Jordan 199 · 08-05-2021 2:06pm

Did Crofty say Ted is away?

eviltimeban · 08-05-2021 2:07pm

Jordan 199 wrote: »

Did Crofty say Ted is away?

Where's Ted??

F1 2021 Round 4 : Spanish Grand Prix

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