Are we there yet? Your second Travel Megathread (threadbans in OP}

braychelsea · 04-05-2021 06:07PM

Dr. Em wrote: »

Why would you not wait to travel from Dublin? Portugal is still blocking non-essential travel from the UK. When is that going to be lifted? Travelling from the UK, you would need three covid tests: one prior to travel to Portugal, one before leaving Portugal, and one upon arrival in UK - basically the same as from Dublin.

Probably because there's a 500/2000e fine for non-essential travel from Dublin, UK look like they're about to allow international travel from the 17th May.

Dr. Em · 04-05-2021 06:17PM

braychelsea wrote: »

Probably because there's a 500/2000e fine for non-essential travel from Dublin, UK look like they're about to allow international travel from the 17th May.

You are missing the point: when will Portugal lift its ban on non-essential travel from the UK? It doesn't really matter what the UK does if you won't be allowed through immigration in Portugal.
Here is the UK travel advice for Portugal:

Quote/ You can travel to Portugal and the Azores if you are resident and returning home.

If you are travelling from:

the UK or any other non-EU/EEA country, or
an EU/EEA country where the COVID-19 incidence rate is 150 cases or more per 100,000 inhabitants
you can only enter for essential purposes, such as to live with immediate family members, or for professional, educational, health or humanitarian reasons. /Unquote
https://www.gov.uk/foreign-travel-advice/portugal/entry-requirements

Portugal does not ban entry from Ireland because it is an EU country with an incidence rate lower than 150. Waiting until travel is allowed through Dublin makes more sense than being deported, doesn't it?

scamalert · 04-05-2021 06:28PM

Dr. Em wrote: »

You are missing the point: when will Portugal lift its ban on non-essential travel from the UK? It doesn't really matter what the UK does if you won't be allowed through immigration in Portugal.
Here is the UK travel advice for Portugal:

Quote/ You can travel to Portugal and the Azores if you are resident and returning home.

If you are travelling from:

the UK or any other non-EU/EEA country, or
an EU/EEA country where the COVID-19 incidence rate is 150 cases or more per 100,000 inhabitants
you can only enter for essential purposes, such as to live with immediate family members, or for professional, educational, health or humanitarian reasons. /Unquote
https://www.gov.uk/foreign-travel-advice/portugal/entry-requirements

Portugal does not ban entry from Ireland because it is an EU country with an incidence rate lower than 150. Waiting until travel is allowed througb Dublin makes more sense than being deported, doesn't it?

well you have **** for brains to think that if person travels trough britain or NI is somehow automatically is classed as British, yet you then proceed to tell that irish are allowed to travel

and you play dumb not seeing why people would pick to travel trough NI avoiding quarantine and hassle then choose Dublin and fck knows when they will be able to travel vs NI no questions asked.

the.red.baron · 04-05-2021 06:49PM

Where does it say you need to be British though

People were going into hotel q because they traveled through places, no matter what race they were

Necro · 04-05-2021 07:10PM

scamalert wrote: »

well you have **** for brains to think that if person travels trough britain or NI is somehow automatically is classed as British, yet you then proceed to tell that irish are allowed to travel and you play dumb not seeing why people would pick to travel trough NI avoiding quarantine and hassle then choose Dublin and fck knows when they will be able to travel vs NI no questions asked.

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Feria40 · 04-05-2021 09:00PM

I know it's tea leaf reading but what are people's thoughts at this point regarding travel this August, specifically Spain?

1. Assuming our group is not fully vacinated I presume a PCR test on the way out and the way back in is a given? Circa €200

2. What about the 14 day home quarantine on return, is there any likely hood of this being dropped? Is the only way it might be dropped a scenario where it might be reduced to say 5 days with a negative test on day 5 (i.e. more cost)?

The 14 day home quarantine makes no odds to some in our group due to WFH arrangements but it would cause problems for others.

3. The green pass or whatever it's being called now seems to be progressing well but I am convinced that the Irish Gov won't fully buy into it, at least for the first few months

. I know some people are saying we will have little choice but to implement it but I remain unconvinced.

sideswipe · 04-05-2021 09:10PM

Feria40 wrote: »

I know it's tea leaf reading but what are people's thoughts at this point regarding travel this August, specifically Spain?

1. Assuming our group is not fully vacinated I presume a PCR test on the way out and the way back in is a given? Circa €200

2. What about the 14 day home quarantine on return, is there any likely hood of this being dropped? Is the only way it might be dropped a scenario where it might be reduced to say 5 days with a negative test on day 5 (i.e. more cost)?

The 14 day home quarantine makes no odds to some in our group due to WFH arrangements but it would cause problems for others.

3. The green pass or whatever it's being called now seems to be progressing well but I am convinced that the Irish Gov won't fully buy into it, at least for the first few months . I know some people are saying we will have little choice but to implement it but I remain unconvinced.

Is this not currently the case with non red listed countries?

Feria40 · 04-05-2021 09:16PM

sideswipe wrote: »

Is this not currently the case with non red listed countries?

Not per the Citizens Information website which days all arrivals

Edit. Sorry just reread your post, yes it looks like it can be cut with a neg PCR around day 5. Is there likely to be any improvement on this rule?

04-05-2021 09:17PM

Feria40 wrote: »

I know it's tea leaf reading but what are people's thoughts at this point regarding travel this August, specifically Spain?

1. Assuming our group is not fully vacinated I presume a PCR test on the way out and the way back in is a given? Circa €200

2. What about the 14 day home quarantine on return, is there any likely hood of this being dropped? Is the only way it might be dropped a scenario where it might be reduced to say 5 days with a negative test on day 5 (i.e. more cost)?

The 14 day home quarantine makes no odds to some in our group due to WFH arrangements but it would cause problems for others.

3. The green pass or whatever it's being called now seems to be progressing well but I am convinced that the Irish Gov won't fully buy into it, at least for the first few months . I know some people are saying we will have little choice but to implement it but I remain unconvinced.

110 pcr in Spain, 89 in Ireland are the cheapest I found. Spain's coming out of their emergency so I think it will be good to go

sideswipe · 04-05-2021 09:20PM

Feria40 wrote: »

Not per the Citizens Information website which days all arrivals

Edit. Sorry just reread your post, yes it looks like it can be cut with a neg PCR around day 5. Is there likely to be any improvement on this rule?

Depends on Ireland signing up for the EU green cert I would think- August is a while away so plenty of time for things to get better........or worse.......or both:pac:

Feria40 · 04-05-2021 09:21PM

Niner leprauchan wrote: »

110 pcr in Spain, 89 in Ireland are the cheapest I found. Spain's coming out of their emergency so I think it will be good to go

Where did u see the 89 for Ireland? Think I saw a clinic in Malaga advertising at 99

Hego Damask · 04-05-2021 09:54PM

Feria40 wrote: »

I know it's tea leaf reading but what are people's thoughts at this point regarding travel this August, specifically Spain?

1. Assuming our group is not fully vacinated I presume a PCR test on the way out and the way back in is a given? Circa €200

2. What about the 14 day home quarantine on return, is there any likely hood of this being dropped? Is the only way it might be dropped a scenario where it might be reduced to say 5 days with a negative test on day 5 (i.e. more cost)?

The 14 day home quarantine makes no odds to some in our group due to WFH arrangements but it would cause problems for others.

3. The green pass or whatever it's being called now seems to be progressing well but I am convinced that the Irish Gov won't fully buy into it, at least for the first few months . I know some people are saying we will have little choice but to implement it but I remain unconvinced.

Be careful with Spain, you have to wear a mask everywhere - even outdoors all alone, this rule has recently gotten even stricter (need to wear a mask on the beach now too - again even if alone).

Sadly, the masses are accepting it, I saw a lad playing tennis the other day in a mask, they are back to the Franco days - and the people are loving it!!!

Tremendously sad

eltonyio · 04-05-2021 10:02PM

Feria40 wrote: »

Where did u see the 89 for Ireland? Think I saw a clinic in Malaga advertising at 99

Randox are doing it for that price with a good few locations all over the country. I wonder will prices drop much if demand changes, as with even a small group it adds up. Must be fairly lucrative for them in the short term.

Feria40 · 04-05-2021 10:29PM

Hego Damask wrote: »

Be careful with Spain, you have to wear a mask everywhere - even outdoors all alone, this rule has recently gotten even stricter (need to wear a mask on the beach now too - again even if alone).

Sadly, the masses are accepting it, I saw a lad playing tennis the other day in a mask, they are back to the Franco days - and the people are loving it!!!

Tremendously sad

They reversed the beach piece following opposition.

I was there last August and while it was annoying I got used to wearing a mask walking down the street. Many people wore it under the nose and only put it on properly going indoors or when they spotted the police!

I have friends in Spain who are expecting the mask wearing outdoors to remain in place all year unfortunately. The science on it is sketchy... and that's being generous!

I've read that over 12 million Spanish people have now received at least one vaccine dose. That would be a higher percentage of population than here. Their Covid situation is stabilising so I still have hope they may change the mask rule

Hego Damask · 04-05-2021 10:40PM

Feria40 wrote: »

They reversed the beach piece following opposition.

I was there last August and while it was annoying I got used to wearing a mask walking down the street. Many people wore it under the nose and only put it on properly going indoors or when they spotted the police!

I have friends in Spain who are expecting the mask wearing outdoors to remain in place all year unfortunately. The science on it is sketchy... and that's being generous!

I've read that over 12 million Spanish people have now received at least one vaccine dose. That would be a higher percentage of population than here. Their Covid situation is stabilising so I still have hope they may change the mask rule

They won't change it, maybe outdoors in late 2022, the people have shown themselves to be cowards and just begging for tyranny.

04-05-2021 11:54PM

Feria40 wrote: »

Where did u see the 89 for Ireland? Think I saw a clinic in Malaga advertising at 99

Randox in the airport reduced to 89 for the overnight test.

I wasn't in Malaga. Thought 110 was pricey for Spain but the only cheaper one was a text result only so I didn't want to chance it.

Marty Bird · 05-05-2021 06:42AM

It’s €58 for a PCR test in Malaga airport.

dalyboy · 05-05-2021 07:27AM

Hego Damask wrote: »

They won't change it, maybe outdoors in late 2022, the people have shown themselves to be cowards and just begging for tyranny.

Yeah. The masks outside has put my other half and I 100% off going to Spain this summer.

http://www.surinenglish.com/national/202104/29/spain-plans-lift-face-20210429104832.html

There seems be a lot of vagueness around the wearing of masks on beaches . At what stage do you put back on your mask when you get out of sea .

Don’t fancy a half face tan either.

Clickclickboom · 05-05-2021 07:45AM

Hi guys,

French guy resident in Ireland here, I am married to a Spanish native and we have a 6-months old baby.

My wife is going to Spain in about one week for a duration of one month. She plans to take our baby to paediatricians in her home place and this will be her "official & essential" reason.

Due to my work, I may not be able to go with them and should be able to do so 2 weeks after. Now that's where I have concerns...

Is there an updated list of what "essential reasons" are when it comes to travelling outside of Ireland ? In other words, does joining my wife and baby in Spain constitute an essential reason ?

EDIT : nevermind, found the list : https://www.citizensinformation.ie/en/travel_and_recreation/travel_abroad/travelling_abroad_during_covid.html#

Looks like I will have to stay one month without seeing my child. Nice !

M_Murphy57 · 05-05-2021 08:00AM

Clickclickboom wrote: »

Hi guys,

French guy resident in Ireland here, I am married to a Spanish native and we have a 6-months old baby.

My wife is going to Spain in about one week for a duration of one month. She plans to take our baby to paediatricians in her home place and this will be her "official & essential" reason.

Due to my work, I may not be able to go with them and should be able to do so 2 weeks after. Now that's where I have concerns...

Is there an updated list of what "essential reasons" are when it comes to travelling outside of Ireland ? In other words, does joining my wife and baby in Spain constitute an essential reason ?

Getting access to your kids is an official essential reason for travel.

As you are French youd get away with saying you are repatriation but the geniuses in the Gards have actually fined non nationals leaving the country so I'd go with access to your kids.

You could even say access to kids for their medical appointment.

Or fly early and use fast pass and you probably wont meet a gard

Clickclickboom · 05-05-2021 08:02AM

M_Murphy57 wrote: »

Getting access to your kids is an essential reason for travel.

Not mentioned in below list :

To go to college or school if you have to be there in person
To go with a child or a vulnerable adult to school if they have to be there in person
To work or travel related to your business
To go to a medical or dental appointment, or to go to an appointment with someone you live with, or a vulnerable person
To seek essential medical, health or dental services, or to accompany someone you live with, or a vulnerable person who needs essential treatment
To care for a family member or for other vital family reasons
To go to a funeral
To meet a legal obligation (for example, to appear in court)
To give access to a child to the other parent of the child, or to access a child that you have a right of access to
To leave Ireland if you are not resident in Ireland

M_Murphy57 · 05-05-2021 08:04AM

Clickclickboom wrote: »

Not mentioned in below list :

...
To give access to a child to the other parent of the child, or to access a child that you have a right of access to

Yes it is?

Clickclickboom · 05-05-2021 08:26AM

M_Murphy57 wrote: »

Yes it is?

I figured this would apply to people who had a divorce only ? For them to visit kids ?

Tazz T · 05-05-2021 08:36AM

Niner leprauchan wrote: »

110 pcr in Spain, 89 in Ireland are the cheapest I found. Spain's coming out of their emergency so I think it will be good to go

The Greek gov has capped the price that can be charged for a PCR by a private clinic at 60 euro. We could do with some of that here (then again our gov would probably do an 'affordable' PCR scheme and cap it at €250).

faceman · 05-05-2021 08:42AM

Clickclickboom wrote: »

I figured this would apply to people who had a divorce only ? For them to visit kids ?

lol

SusanC10 · 05-05-2021 08:46AM

Just curious - do the Med Countries - Italy, Greece, Spain - have regulations that Masks must be worn outside particularly on beaches ?

munchkin_utd · 05-05-2021 08:51AM

SusanC10 wrote: »

Just curious - do the Med Countries - Italy, Greece, Spain - have regulations that Masks must be worn outside particularly on beaches ?

italy doesnt because its a ridiculous rule. The only thing they have/ had was a requirement to wear masks in specific busy places after 6pm
FFS, heres where we were last summer in Italy, and the picture from a non covid year.
How could you catch the disease if you are nowhere near anyone??

M_Murphy57 · 05-05-2021 08:52AM

Clickclickboom wrote: »

I figured this would apply to people who had a divorce only ? For them to visit kids ?

You dont need to be divorced, any separated couple.

Gards arent going to ask for a divorce cert or interrogate him on how his relationship ended. The OP just wants a reasonable excuse to leave the country without a stupid fine.

Santan · 05-05-2021 08:57AM

The canarias also tried to impose a law making it mandatory to wear masks while sunbathing at the beach or by the pool, I don't think it lasted 24 hours before a huge backlash resulted in them reversing the idea. So masks are mandatory while walking around or in shops, but not if you are on the beach or pool sunbathing or swimming.

IQO · 05-05-2021 08:58AM

munchkin_utd wrote: »

italy doesnt because its a ridiculous rule. The only thing they have/ had was a requirement to wear masks in specific busy places after 6pm
FFS, heres where we were last summer in Italy, and the picture from a non covid year.
How could you catch the disease if you are nowhere near anyone??

Last year in August Italy had around 2-3 cases per 100.000, was on the green list and covid was almost gone.. people were living like that at least. I hope/think it will be something similar this summer, and maybe even better with increased vaccinations all around Europe. That said, across Europe people who stayed home last year are now desperate to go somewhere.. and not all of them will wait to be vaccinated. If all countries will be mixing around Europe and ages 16-30 show total disregard of any covid protocols, cases could go up, however deaths are likely to remain low as the elderly population is mostly vaccinated by then.

Are we there yet? Your second Travel Megathread (threadbans in OP}

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