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Covid 19 Part XXXIV-249,437 ROI(4,906 deaths) 120,195 NI (2,145 deaths)(01/05)Read OP

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    #9752
    [Deleted User]
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    ednwireland wrote: »
    you have that the wrong way round it's the north east that is high.

    also derrys 14 day rate is still quite a bit higher than donegals so this nonsense that cases are lower in the north keeps been repeated.

    Derry/Strabane 7 day rate is 69 per 100,000. Northern Ireland 7 day rate is 35 per 100,000. Both much lower than Donegal case rates.


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    #9753
    kleiner feigling
    Registered Users Posts: 154 ✭✭kleiner feigling


    Really clear and concise video here from pathologist addressing some taboos and myths around covid;
    https://youtu.be/btWfAXQ8wYg


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    #9754
    is_that_so
    Registered Users Posts: 32,136 ✭✭✭✭is_that_so


    kleiner feigling wrote: »
    Really clear and concise video here from pathologist addressing some taboos and myths around covid;
    https://youtu.be/btWfAXQ8wYg
    Concise at 44m?!


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    #9755
    kleiner feigling
    Registered Users Posts: 154 ✭✭kleiner feigling


    is_that_so wrote: »
    Concise at 44m?!

    He covers a huge amount, succinctly, so yes 44mins is concise.
    Maybe not for short attention spans.


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    #9756
    is_that_so
    Registered Users Posts: 32,136 ✭✭✭✭is_that_so


    kleiner feigling wrote: »
    He covers a huge amount, succinctly, so yes 44mins is concise.
    Maybe not for short attention spans.
    Now that it's out there people can choose. It's not a question of attention spans it's how you view spending 44m on YouTube, watching a talking head.


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    #9757
    stephenjmcd
    Registered Users Posts: 15,201 ✭✭✭✭stephenjmcd


    is_that_so wrote: »
    Now that it's out there people can choose. It's not a question of attention spans it's how you view spending 44m on YouTube, watching a talking head.

    I'd query how anyone can spend 44m watching a video posted by Ivor Cummins that's full of utter waffle.

    The only thing clear and concise is that it should be in the conspiracy threads. Wouldn't even bother fueling it any further to be honest


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    #9758
    kleiner feigling
    Registered Users Posts: 154 ✭✭kleiner feigling


    stephenjmcd wrote: »
    I'd query how anyone can spend 44m watching a video posted by Ivor Cummins that's full of utter waffle.

    The only thing clear and concise is that it should be in the conspiracy threads. Wouldn't even bother fueling it any further to be honest

    Not sure about Ivor Cummins, but I give fair consideration to a Pathologist with decades of experience.
    Apparently you know it all, so congrats on that


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    #9759
    Doctor Jimbob
    Registered Users Posts: 7,631 ✭✭✭Doctor Jimbob


    stephenjmcd wrote: »
    I'd query how anyone can spend 44m watching a video posted by Ivor Cummins that's full of utter waffle.

    The only thing clear and concise is that it should be in the conspiracy threads. Wouldn't even bother fueling it any further to be honest

    I saved 43 minutes and 50 seconds by checking who put it on YouTube.


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    #9760
    WoollyRedHat
    Registered Users Posts: 10,462 ✭✭✭✭WoollyRedHat


    kleiner feigling wrote: »
    Really clear and concise video here from pathologist addressing some taboos and myths around covid;
    https://youtu.be/btWfAXQ8wYg

    Just before anyone invests time in this 44 minute diatribe that is being promoted by Ivor Cummins, the guy is a retired pathologist, and he makes several misleading statements.

    In terms of his claim about there being no excess deaths, he is wrong:

    -In Week 52 in the UK, the number of deaths registered was 44.8% above the five-year average (3,566 deaths higher)."

    He also claims that this is the first time a lockdown strategy has been utilised, which is nonsense. He then goes on to claim that lockdowns have had no effect on virus spread, which is evidently untrue.

    He mentions that the success of NZ and Australia is due to them starting on a different base to pre-existing immunity, where's the proof for this?

    Also he suggests that the scientific peer review process was suspended in the early stages of the pandemic response, but this isn't true is it? Publication process was sped up.


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    #9761
    WoollyRedHat
    Registered Users Posts: 10,462 ✭✭✭✭WoollyRedHat


    kleiner feigling wrote: »
    Not sure about Ivor Cummins, but I give fair consideration to a Pathologist with decades of experience.
    Apparently you know it all, so congrats on that

    A pathologist is speaking on a topic that he never specialised in.


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    #9762
    stephenjmcd
    Registered Users Posts: 15,201 ✭✭✭✭stephenjmcd


    kleiner feigling wrote: »
    Not sure about Ivor Cummins, but I give fair consideration to a Pathologist with decades of experience.
    Apparently you know it all, so congrats on that

    I dont know it all but I know when someone is peddling utter bs

    You've literally posted stuff from a known conspiracy theorist


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    #9763
    gozunda
    Registered Users Posts: 18,996 ✭✭✭✭gozunda


    Always_Running wrote: »
    This week compared to last week.

    276 more cases and 148 more positive swabs from 8,681 extra tests carried out.

    7 fewer reported deaths (36 v 43)
    39 fewer in hospital (123 v 162)
    5 fewer in ICU (41 v 46)

    Looks like we're going in the right direction.

    To those saying we shouldn't bother with case numbers.

    It is indeed great to see lower numbers in hospitals and ICU however as long as we continue to see high case numbers - then that will continue to translate to hospital numbers for the time being whilst other high risk categories are yet to be vaccinated.

    57y6xl.jpg

    Atm approx 73% of those in hospital with covid are under 65.

    Interesting graphic here on the regional situation with regard to the 14 day incidence rate in Ireland.

    57y6zg.jpg


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    #9764
    dkav9
    Registered Users Posts: 46 ✭dkav9


    Anyone have any idea how long it would take to get a test/result at one of those walk in centers? A close contact of a close contact tested positive in the UK for covid yesterday and want to make sure.


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    #9765
    podgeandrodge
    Registered Users Posts: 5,759 ✭✭✭podgeandrodge


    Hopefully as normal life returns, the naive or low intellect followers of those conspiracy theorists will fall away and these "experts" won't have much of an audience. It's in their interests that the problem exists as long as possible.


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    #9766
    hmmm
    Registered Users Posts: 11,205 ✭✭✭✭hmmm


    podgeandrodge wrote: »
    Hopefully as normal life returns, the naive or low intellect followers of those conspiracy theorists will fall away and these "experts" won't have much of an audience. It's in their interests that the problem exists as long as possible.
    The Captain Hindsights of this world will then emerge with a vengeance, and will tell us with great confidence what we should have done at a particular time now that we have complete information, and will demand to know why we didn't.


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    #9767
    podgeandrodge
    Registered Users Posts: 5,759 ✭✭✭podgeandrodge


    Sunday Indo:

    "Dr Naomi Johnson and Dr Edel Doorley, at the Rowan Family Practice, Churchtown, Dublin, have also been working on Saturdays vaccinating their patients at the Helix immunisation hub. While both are happy to play their part, they said the extra hours create challenges for families.

    "It is hard on my husband because we have two young kids,” Dr Johnson said.

    "Marrying everything together is difficult,” Dr Doorley said. "It leaves little time for you as you are always late at work doing the admin and making sure the right people get the right vaccine, but we are happy to do it    .”




    GPs are being paid for this, right? Above reads like they are volunteers?


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    #9768
    iamwhoiam
    Registered Users Posts: 16,075 ✭✭✭✭iamwhoiam


    podgeandrodge wrote: »
    Sunday Indo:

    "Dr Naomi Johnson and Dr Edel Doorley, at the Rowan Family Practice, Churchtown, Dublin, have also been working on Saturdays vaccinating their patients at the Helix immunisation hub. While both are happy to play their part, they said the extra hours create challenges for families.

    "It is hard on my husband because we have two young kids,” Dr Johnson said.

    "Marrying everything together is difficult,” Dr Doorley said. "It leaves little time for you as you are always late at work doing the admin and making sure the right people get the right vaccine, but we are happy to do it    .”




    GPs are being paid for this, right? Above reads like they are volunteers?

    Being paid doesn’t make it any easier on family life .


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    #9769
    wadacrack
    Registered Users Posts: 4,172 ✭✭✭wadacrack


    podgeandrodge wrote: »
    Sunday Indo:

    "Dr Naomi Johnson and Dr Edel Doorley, at the Rowan Family Practice, Churchtown, Dublin, have also been working on Saturdays vaccinating their patients at the Helix immunisation hub. While both are happy to play their part, they said the extra hours create challenges for families.

    "It is hard on my husband because we have two young kids,” Dr Johnson said.

    "Marrying everything together is difficult,” Dr Doorley said. "It leaves little time for you as you are always late at work doing the admin and making sure the right people get the right vaccine, but we are happy to do it    .”


    GPs are being paid for this, right? Above reads like they are volunteers?


    Passively aggressively stating they are not happy doing it. People need to realise how important it is to get this vaccine rolled out as quickly as possible. I'm sure they do but complaining about extra hours of work while many are still confined to their homes is not a good look.


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    #9770
    Turtwig
    Registered Users Posts: 26,578 ✭✭✭✭Turtwig


    Orrr

    It may be they that get satisfaction from doing their job but don't like how much of their personal lives are being sacrificed. This can apply whether you are paid or not. Being paid doesn't mean you can't complain about stress or something else related to your work. You can also be happy with your job, or parts of it, and still have complaints about aspects of it.


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    #9771
    Ficheall
    Registered Users Posts: 9,018 ✭✭✭Ficheall


    wadacrack wrote: »
    Passively aggressively stating they are not happy doing it. People need to realise how important it is to get this vaccine rolled out as quickly as possible. I'm sure they do but complaining about extra hours of work while many are still confined to their homes is not a good look.
    Not a good look that doctors are finding it tough going working overtime to reduce the impact of the virus?? How traumatic for those people "confined to their homes" (we're back in level 6 again, apparently).


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    #9772
    arccosh
    Closed Accounts Posts: 624 ✭✭✭arccosh


    wadacrack wrote: »
    Passively aggressively stating they are not happy doing it. People need to realise how important it is to get this vaccine rolled out as quickly as possible. I'm sure they do but complaining about extra hours of work while many are still confined to their homes is not a good look.

    we could do with a vaccine against making mountains out of molehills


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    #9773
    Ficheall
    Registered Users Posts: 9,018 ✭✭✭Ficheall


    hmmm wrote: »
    The Captain Hindsights of this world will then emerge with a vengeance, and will tell us with great confidence what we should have done at a particular time now that we have complete information, and will demand to know why we didn't.
    We can but hope that they're not the same people who were telling us incorrectly throughout with great confidence what should be done, without hindsight, foresight, or insight.


    As Mike Ryan said ~14 months ago - if measures worked, they were overreacting, and if they didn't, they hadn't done enough.


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    #9774
    wadacrack
    Registered Users Posts: 4,172 ✭✭✭wadacrack


    arccosh wrote: »
    we could do with a vaccine against making mountains out of molehills

    Agree they should be just happy to be able to do their job


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    #9775
    podgeandrodge
    Registered Users Posts: 5,759 ✭✭✭podgeandrodge


    If they are being paid to do it, and they choose to do so, that's fine. But it reads just a tad like a bit of virtue signalling "damaging my family life. but for €50 and the good of humanity I'll struggle on and volunteer do some extra paid work." I know I'll be accused of implying they don't deserve recognition for their work, but it's miles apart from volunteering. If you agree to get paid, I'd just feel they should lay off the drama of their being "happy to do it" but simultaneously moaning about it!

    I would see it as being different to the below people - who are offering to do it for free, for the greater good, despite the impact on their families:

    "The Order of Malta, Red Cross and St John Ambulance had all also offered their services and volunteers as vaccinators to help the national effort.

    Red Cross volunteers would also assist in other roles at vaccination centres, he said. “These roles are likely to include acting as social-distancing stewards, crewing first-aid rooms at vaccination centres and related support roles,” he added    ."


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    #9776
    Ficheall
    Registered Users Posts: 9,018 ✭✭✭Ficheall


    Presumably you were one of the people out booing and hissing for the nurses during the early days of the pandemic?


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    #9777
    podgeandrodge
    Registered Users Posts: 5,759 ✭✭✭podgeandrodge


    Ficheall wrote: »
    Presumably you were one of the people out booing and hissing for the nurses during the early days of the pandemic?

    :rolleyes:
    podgeandrodge wrote: »
    ................. I know I'll be accused of implying they don't deserve recognition for their work............


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    #9778
    revelman
    Registered Users Posts: 977 ✭✭✭revelman


    PTH2009 wrote: »
    A regional approach needs to be taken from now on i think

    Why has there not been a regional approach taken up to now? Suddenly, because of what is happening in Donegal people are talking about a regional approach. For several months now, we, in West Cork and Kerry, have had minuscule numbers of Covid but nobody was suggesting regional approaches.


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    #9779
    iamwhoiam
    Registered Users Posts: 16,075 ✭✭✭✭iamwhoiam


    revelman wrote: »
    Why has there not been a regional approach taken up to now? Suddenly, because of what is happening in Donegal people are talking about a regional approach. For several months now, we, in West Cork and Kerry, have had minuscule numbers of Covid but nobody was suggesting regional approaches.

    Dublin and Kildare had stricter restrictions than the rest of the country last year . Why not Donegal ?


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    #9780
    Strumms
    Registered Users Posts: 24,832 ✭✭✭✭Strumms


    I had a phone consultation last week with my GP, at the end of the call I briefly
    asked how things were with the vaccine rollout... and if he had any over on a Friday or any day, I’d be happy to make my arm available and reminded him I live a two minute drive from the surgery and could be there short notice ...he thanked me and said no problem.

    He sounded tired and was bemoaning the fact his staff were being plagued by phone calls from patients looking for vaccines for family members who were not patients of the surgery even...

    Thankfully he said that 100% of these requests were denied by each and every GP, they had to take their e-mail address off the website but even the one they set up for prescription renewal was being plagued with vaccine requests daily.


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    #9781
    Ficheall
    Registered Users Posts: 9,018 ✭✭✭Ficheall


    iamwhoiam wrote: »
    Dublin and Kildare had stricter restrictions than the rest of the country last year . Why not Donegal ?
    Donegal also had stricter restrictions last year, iirc? Went back into level 5 sooner in September or something.


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