Are we there yet? Your second Travel Megathread (threadbans in OP}

Darwin · 30-04-2021 08:26PM

Niner leprauchan wrote: »

Yeah, that's a great read on myself,my sentiments on eu membership and travel experience

Nailed it

I reckon so :pac:

30-04-2021 08:28PM

acequion wrote: »

You're in overdrive tonight with the smart remarks!!

Why are you discouraging /belittling people for being proactive and standing up for their rights? We are one hundred percent entitled to complain to the EU. A raft of people complained when MHQ came in. The complaint is for "a suspected breach" of an EU principle. Which is precisely what we "suspect" is going on here. Breaches and violations of rights disproportionate to the public health risks. So I'm glad to hear that poster say he'll be complaining again if this farce continues after inter county travel is allowed. I'll be complaining too as I hope will more.

Because it's an absolute waste of everyone's time yet ye seem convinced that the eu has some sort of overlord / principle position over Ireland.

Not a single complaint has achieved anything but sure, Knock yourself out ace, it's not my time your wasting

30-04-2021 08:29PM

Darwin wrote: »

I reckon so :pac:

Read the entire thread. I'm an open book.

I'm not even in Ireland at the moment ffs!

acequion · 30-04-2021 08:36PM

Niner leprauchan wrote: »

Because it's an absolute waste of everyone's time yet ye seem convinced that the eu has some sort of overlord / principle position over Ireland.

Not a single complaint has achieved anything but sure, Knock yourself out ace, it's not my time your wasting

Hey drop the attitude there, "ace"!! Just because you're one of the many apathetic, complacent people who will never bother their arses challenging or questioning the system, thankfully doesn't mean we're all like that. And fine if you don't want to challenge and question but you really shouldn't be constantly taking umbrage at those of us who do. I don't have much faith in politics or institutions but we put these people in these places and I sure as hell will ruffle their feathers and keep ruffling their feathers. And you know what, if more people did that rather than sitting back all cynical and apathetic like you, our systems might work a bit more in our favour.

Dr. Em · 30-04-2021 08:42PM

Niner leprauchan wrote: »

Possible so if you mean handsome devil! Must be worried I'm coming to take their women folk

Not in Ireland it ain't.

Not outlandish if it's a tourist location trying to entice you. We are not that location.

Where by the way?

Norway is the only place I've heard of off-hand that has free testing upon arrival, but they have also closed the border entirely almost anyone who is not a registered Norwegian resident. Obviously, it is much easier to offer free testing if hardly anyone is flying.

30-04-2021 08:46PM

acequion wrote: »

Hey drop the attitude there, "ace"!! Just because you're one of the many apathetic, complacent people who will never bother their arses challenging or questioning the system, thankfully doesn't mean we're all like that. And fine if you don't want to challenge and question but you really shouldn't be constantly taking umbrage at those of us who do. I don't have much faith in politics or institutions but we put these people in these places and I sure as hell will ruffle their feathers and keep ruffling their feathers. And you know what, if more people did that rather than sitting back all cynical and apathetic like you, our systems might work a bit more in our favour.

First of, your name is ACEquion. Some people have been known to call me niner.

Second, you aren't ruffling feathers. If you wanted to actually challenge, you wouldn't be doing it by writing an email to an agency with zero authority to take action. It merely makes you feel like your fighting the power. Their replies, while merely fobbing you off are taken as some sort of victory.

You want to fight town hall? Get a solicitor and launch legal proceedings in Ireland. Gemma and John might be able to help out.

Tenzor07 · 30-04-2021 08:59PM

Niner leprauchan wrote: »

You know that they have to call the Gardai to deal with any refusals? Twice the staff for the same job isn't my version of efficient.

Sounds like a Pub bouncer, only calls the Gards when things really get out of hand, otherwise the staff are well able to handle things...

Tenzor07 · 30-04-2021 09:01PM

Dr. Em wrote: »

Norway is the only place I've heard of off-hand that has free testing upon arrival, but they have also closed the border entirely almost anyone who is not a registered Norwegian resident. Obviously, it is much easier to offer free testing if hardly anyone is flying.

Greece were doing free Covid tests on arrival last Summer, you were supposed to isolate for 24 hours and they'd send an ambulance around if you tested positive....

Del Griffith · 30-04-2021 09:28PM

Niner leprauchan wrote: »

Not in Ireland it ain't.

Not outlandish if it's a tourist location trying to entice you. We are not that location.

Where by the way?

Germany have free testing in the airport and here in Maltas airport, that's just where I've been. You can Google the rest.

You realise you can get a free test in Ireland right now yea? You don't even need to have any symptoms.

Seriously your disbelief at the idea doesn't make a lot of sense.

Golfman64 · 30-04-2021 10:19PM

Niner leprauchan wrote: »

Possible so if you mean handsome devil! Must be worried I'm coming to take their women folk

Not in Ireland it ain't.

Not outlandish if it's a tourist location trying to entice you. We are not that location.

Where by the way?

What makes you think Ireland isn’t or shouldn’t be a tourist location trying to entice foreign travellers later this summer? I guess you don’t consider the billions of €€€ inbound tourism contributes to our economy to be important for us?

We should be doing everything we can to attract tourists here as soon as the EU Covid-19 cert is enacted.

Micky 32 · 30-04-2021 10:46PM

The UK could be a “dry run” :

https://www.irishexaminer.com/news/arid-40278794.html

Dr. Em · 30-04-2021 11:06PM

Golfman64 wrote: »

What makes you think Ireland isn’t or shouldn’t be a tourist location trying to entice foreign travellers later this summer? I guess you don’t consider the billions of €€€ inbound tourism contributes to our economy to be important for us?

We should be doing everything we can to attract tourists here as soon as the EU Covid-19 cert is enacted.

As a point of interest, Irish tourists spend more abroad than inbound tourists do in Ireland and most of the inbound tourism comes just from the UK. The economy would actually be much better off if everyone in Ireland was kept at home and the CTA was opened up fully. I'm not advocating for that, just mentioning an economic reality. I'm sure someone or other in the government has noted it as well.

TomSweeney · 30-04-2021 11:26PM

I see UK are opening travel from May 17th, but seems even green list countries will need PCR test and perhaps quarantine on return - even for vaccinated travellers ?

wtaf...

wcooba · 01-05-2021 05:09AM

Dr. Em wrote: »

As a point of interest, Irish tourists spend more abroad than inbound tourists do in Ireland and most of the inbound tourism comes just from the UK. The economy would actually be much better off if everyone in Ireland was kept at home and the CTA was opened up fully. I'm not advocating for that, just mentioning an economic reality. I'm sure someone or other in the government has noted it as well.

Do you have any data on it or just speculating? I very much doubt that staycations will make up for 6bn of lost business.
And no - most of the inbound tourism doesn't come from the UK: https://www.tourismireland.com/Research/Visitor-Facts-Figures

dodzy · 01-05-2021 05:16AM

Dr. Em wrote: »

As a point of interest, Irish tourists spend more abroad than inbound tourists do in Ireland and most of the inbound tourism comes just from the UK. The economy would actually be much better off if everyone in Ireland was kept at home and the CTA was opened up fully. I'm not advocating for that, just mentioning an economic reality. I'm sure someone or other in the government has noted it as well.

We’ve been kept at home long enough FFS.

Del Griffith · 01-05-2021 05:50AM

Dr. Em wrote: »

As a point of interest, Irish tourists spend more abroad than inbound tourists do in Ireland and most of the inbound tourism comes just from the UK. The economy would actually be much better off if everyone in Ireland was kept at home and the CTA was opened up fully. I'm not advocating for that, just mentioning an economic reality. I'm sure someone or other in the government has noted it as well.

Sure we should just bring in capital controls then, like China.

Dr. Em · 01-05-2021 07:55AM

wcooba wrote: »

Do you have any data on it or just speculating? I very much doubt that staycations will make up for 6bn of lost business.
And no - most of the inbound tourism doesn't come from the UK: https://www.tourismireland.com/Research/Visitor-Facts-Figures

Why the aggressive tone?

From your source, it says: 'However,
Britain remains the largest single market accounting for 30% of holidaymakers.'

Tourist spending came up during the Brexit debate and I remembered it being pretty widely talked about.
https://www.cso.ie/en/releasesandpublications/ep/p-biun/biun/tt/#:~:text=The%20average%20expenditure%20per%20trip,countries%20excluding%20the%20United%20Kingdom.

Here are the relevant quotes.
'The total expenditure (excluding fares) on overseas trips to Ireland in 2015 was €4.2bn,'

'Total expenditure abroad by Irish residents was €5.3bn in 2012 and this amount steadily increased over the following three years to stand at €6bn in 2015.'

There may well be a more recent estimate, if you want to dig around, but if I've seen those figures before, I assume someone in the government has also.

I don't know how the staycations went in terms of expenditure. If anyone knows and wants to bring interesting facts to the discussion and I will be happy to read it.

Again, I'm not advocating for keeping travel closed. My point is that inbound tourism may not be as powerful a motivating factor for the government as assumed.

Dr. Em · 01-05-2021 07:56AM

dodzy wrote: »

We’ve been kept at home long enough FFS.

I said I was not advocating for it. I'm merely pointing out that the need for inbound tourism may not be such a strong economic motivation as thought.

01-05-2021 08:09AM

Del Griffith wrote: »

Germany have free testing in the airport and here in Maltas airport, that's just where I've been. You can Google the rest.

You realise you can get a free test in Ireland right now yea? You don't even need to have any symptoms.

Seriously your disbelief at the idea doesn't make a lot of sense.

The free hse test isn't acceptable for travel nor will they give you a test without set reasons. Without symptoms, you are talking about close contact primarily.

I think you just want to argue with me if you are now saying that you think Ireland will start giving free tests for travel.

I just checked Germany, tourist tests are not free.

The malts airport website says the cost is 35 euro for a travel test and you need a negative pcr on arrival, so testing before getting on the plane.

Golfman64 wrote: »

What makes you think Ireland isn’t or shouldn’t be a tourist location trying to entice foreign travellers later this summer? I guess you don’t consider the billions of €€€ inbound tourism contributes to our economy to be important for us?

We should be doing everything we can to attract tourists here as soon as the EU Covid-19 cert is enacted.

I don't get these comments. Your picking an argument where none exists.

Where did I say any of that? I didn't.

I said Ireland is not encouraging travel and wont start giving free pcr tests for incoming travelers.

You and del just want to argue with me

The Continental Op · 01-05-2021 08:33AM

Niner leprauchan wrote: »

The free hse test isn't acceptable for travel nor will they give you a test without set reasons. Without symptoms, you are talking about close contact primarily.

....

Technically correct but I travelled with someone a couple of weeks ago who had turned up at a testing center in the UK and blagged a free test and used it to get back to Ireland.

Takes a certain type of either naivety or thick skin to do that but it can be done - I wouldn't try it :eek:

Dr. Em · 01-05-2021 08:49AM

TomSweeney wrote: »

I see UK are opening travel from May 17th, but seems even green list countries will need PCR test and perhaps quarantine on return - even for vaccinated travellers ?

wtaf...

Out of curiosity, where did you see this? Has it been leaked or officially confirmed? I'm checking the usual suspects.

a clanger · 01-05-2021 09:49AM

Dr. Em wrote: »

Out of curiosity, where did you see this? Has it been leaked or officially confirmed? I'm checking the usual suspects.

looks mainly like leaks etc

https://uk.yahoo.com/news/holidays-green-light-may-17-190212609.html

If you read the full article it expands to say vaccinated people may not need to do any tests or quarantine if travelling from a green list country ;P

SusanC10 · 01-05-2021 11:37AM

I thought that Italy might have been removed from the MHQ List yesterday, but No.
What is the dominant variant there ? UK ?

Still 5 EU Countries on the List but none added.

Micky 32 · 01-05-2021 11:38AM

https://www.irishexaminer.com/news/arid-40279070.html

Foreign travel will be governments next “ priorities “ along with nightclubs etc “ confidential Cabinet memo reveals”

themacattack. · 01-05-2021 12:15PM

Micky 32 wrote: »

https://www.irishexaminer.com/news/arid-40279070.html

Foreign travel will be governments next “ priorities “ along with nightclubs etc “ confidential Cabinet memo reveals”

That memo didnt stay confidential too long.

things are looking up...i honestly thought they would drag their heels on travel so its good to see positive noises about the digital green cert...will use the belfast option until that becomes a reality most likely in july for CTA and europe wide travel...

Micky 32 · 01-05-2021 12:19PM

themacattack. wrote: »

That memo didnt stay confidential too long.

things are looking up...i honestly thought they would drag their heels on travel so its good to see positive noises about the digital green cert...will use the belfast option until that becomes a reality most likely in july for CTA and europe wide travel...

The way it’s looking now is that if everything goes to plan with the vaccination program we actually maybe able to travel again later in the year

themacattack. · 01-05-2021 12:27PM

Micky 32 wrote: »

The way it’s looking now is that if everything goes to plan with the vaccination program we actually maybe able to travel again later in the year

i would say a lot sooner fingers crossed...the economy needs to take off again and aviation is a vital part of that cog.

My plan as of now is to fly from belfast to somewhere in mainland uk for a week in june....then 2 weeks in august somewhere in europe such as greece or italy either using the digital green cert from dublin or failing that belfast again...

the big unknown is if you want to go anywhere outside of europe asia,australia ect could be a long way off who knows...but usa and europe should have something worked out soon enough id say

eltonyio · 01-05-2021 12:30PM

Micky 32 wrote: »

The way it’s looking now is that if everything goes to plan with the vaccination program we actually maybe able to travel again later in the year

If history has taught us anything about international travel, it's that it always rebounds quickly and stronger than expected after a disaster. The rebound after previous shocks - from WW2 to 9/11, to the Asian Tsunami to the last global recession - was enormous. In this scenario, the pent up demand, testing and vaccines & new technologies will have us moving again before you know it. A golden era of travel beckons.

0lddog · 01-05-2021 12:37PM

eltonyio wrote: »

... A golden era of travel beckons.

'Beckons' ?

Might be The Minister for Transport giving two fingers to travel ? :mad:

Put your glasses on !

Del Griffith · 01-05-2021 12:41PM

Niner leprauchan wrote: »

The free hse test isn't acceptable for travel nor will they give you a test without set reasons. Without symptoms, you are talking about close contact primarily.

I think you just want to argue with me if you are now saying that you think Ireland will start giving free tests for travel.

I just checked Germany, tourist tests are not free.

The malts airport website says the cost is 35 euro for a travel test and you need a negative pcr on arrival, so testing before getting on the plane.

Firstly I said nothing about Ireland, the EU suggested it I believe is where this started.

Munich = free test in airport.

Malta = free rapid test on arrival

Ireland = over 4m free tests performed to date

The cost of administration of testing is nothing relative to the ludicrous costs of continuing lockdown / restrictions.

Im not saying it will happen, I'm just saying its not hard to believe, it's very easy to see it happening. Ireland traditionally never misses a cash grab however if the EU push it, then hopefully..

Are we there yet? Your second Travel Megathread (threadbans in OP}

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