Relaxation of Restrictions, Part X Read OP For Mod Warnings

paddyisreal · 27-04-2021 01:37PM

charlie14 wrote: »

India a few weeks ago was low case numbers and lower levels of vaccination than the U.K. or Israel for partial opening up, but they were happy to open up virtually everything.
Ireland low case numbers and lower levels of vaccination than the U.K or Israel when opening partially and people on here want to open everything right away yet you do not see where a comparison could be made ?

There is no comparison to be made with India and anyone even attempting to compare a third world 1.3 billion country to little old Ireland is disingenuous . It like comparing shamrock rovers to Barcelona and the problem is twice today on a national station it was allowed to be propagated with out question.

mightyreds · 27-04-2021 01:37PM

mandrake04 wrote: »

If I was in Ireland though all these lockdowns I probably eat my gun, I just wouldn't live like that. I would rather sacrifice 2 weeks in sun than spend 5-6 months living like a rat, its an absolute no brainer.

Funny thing is, if your sacrifice your 2 weeks in the sun you'll still be 5-6 months in lockdown, so you might as well go on the holiday it's not going to change anything.

Pandiculation · 27-04-2021 01:38PM

The Indian situation is pretty extreme.

I was listening to a BBC science podcast and the major concern is this double varient. It has two mutations on the spike protein which seems to have some potential to be an escape vector that is allowing it to get past previous infection immunity.

They’re still testing it though.

Most of the spread was caused by very intense events and throwing caution to the wind. The problem is the infrastructure in India and the population density also doesn’t lend itself to social distancing, so getting the virus back into control isn’t going to be easy. Getting the genie back into the bottle isn’t as easy as letting it out.

KrustyUCC · 27-04-2021 01:39PM

Penfailed wrote: »

The article states that hotels will open with bar and restaurant service for guests in June. That's a good thing surely?

That would be

However one commentator was saying that thinking had changed to no indoor dining

All leaks and speculation but no point in hotels being open if no intercounty and no use of facilities

PTH2009 · 27-04-2021 01:41PM

The terrible situations elsewhere will be mentioned by MM in his nations address no doubt to try and guilt us

Tenzor07 · 27-04-2021 01:42PM

charlie14 wrote: »

India a few weeks ago was low case numbers and lower levels of vaccination than the U.K. or Israel for partial opening up, but they were happy to open up virtually everything.
Ireland low case numbers and lower levels of vaccination than the U.K or Israel when opening partially and people on here want to open everything right away yet you do not see where a comparison could be made ?

You think the situation over in India is the directly comparable with Ireland and a reason to not lift the Lockdown here? :rolleyes:

Would you also like to claim that if you plant an apple seed that an orange tree would sprout up?

MrMischief · 27-04-2021 01:43PM

Lockdown or keeping industries (hospitality, tourism etc) closed does not fit into the equation below so interesting to see if the mood shifts in the coming week when folks see their pockets hit..

Minister for Public Expenditure, Michael McGrath, gave a clear indication that the Government is moving to cut the PUP sometime after the end of June, admitting they would be “changed” after that.

He told reporters on the way into Cabinet on Tuesday morning: “At this point we have committed to not abruptly ending those supports at the end of June.

“These supports will continue after that, but perhaps in a changed way.

“But those changes have yet to be made and we’ll make those in the month of May to give people adequate notice.”

Pandiculation · 27-04-2021 01:44PM

It’s obviously not directly comparable. We should be a bit cautious though. Fairly widespread vaccination is only weeks off here.

Open but open cautiously is how I see it going forward.

LuckyLloyd · 27-04-2021 01:48PM

MrMischief wrote: »

Lockdown or keeping industries (hospitality, tourism etc) closed does not fit into the equation below so interesting to see if the mood shifts in the coming week when folks see their pockets hit..

Minister for Public Expenditure, Michael McGrath, gave a clear indication that the Government is moving to cut the PUP sometime after the end of June, admitting they would be “changed” after that.

He told reporters on the way into Cabinet on Tuesday morning: “At this point we have committed to not abruptly ending those supports at the end of June.

“These supports will continue after that, but perhaps in a changed way.

“But those changes have yet to be made and we’ll make those in the month of May to give people adequate notice.”

End of June is perfect - fits with the progress of the vaccination programme. July is when the Big Rocket takes off. Can’t wait!

gozunda · 27-04-2021 01:48PM

paddyisreal wrote: »

There is no comparison to be made with India and anyone even attempting to compare a third world 1.3 billion country to little old Ireland is disingenuous . It like comparing shamrock rovers to Barcelona and the problem is twice today on a national station it was allowed to be propagated with out question.

Yeah bit like constantly comparing here to somewhere like the US with a population of 328.2 million or even specially selected bits of it with many times Irelands population! And God forbid we would hear anything about other countries or covid on a national station and it being "propagated"????

There's a need to be able to tell the difference between whats happening in the world right now and sticking our fingers in our ears whilst singing "nothing to see here"

Boggles · 27-04-2021 01:49PM

rob316 wrote: »

The deadly pandemic, where I don't know a single person that died of it.

Well you can't argue with that science.

big syke · 27-04-2021 01:49PM

charlie14 wrote: »

India a few weeks ago was low case numbers and lower levels of vaccination than the U.K. or Israel for partial opening up, but they were happy to open up virtually everything.
Ireland low case numbers and lower levels of vaccination than the U.K or Israel when opening partially and people on here want to open everything right away yet you do not see where a comparison could be made ?

Who wants to open everything up?

People want a approprate easing of restrictions that make sense i.e. outdoor hospitality, intecounty travel, adult team sports, click and collect.

And a well communicated road map.

I do not think anyone is wanting a total open with no maskes like India.

charlie14 · 27-04-2021 01:50PM

paddyisreal wrote: »

There is no comparison to be made with India and anyone even attempting to compare a third world 1.3 billion country to little old Ireland is disingenuous . It like comparing shamrock rovers to Barcelona and the problem is twice today on a national station it was allowed to be propagated with out question.

A referee will not distinguish between Shamrock Rovers and Barcelona no matter high large the difference in club supporters.
If the soccer analogy helps you understand the point, then just substitute the virus for the referee.

big syke · 27-04-2021 01:53PM

gozunda wrote: »

Ah I see that went straight over the head. No matter.

Florida has as little to do with our situation here as 'India' does. So saying that we should look to 'Florida' but not 'India' is a bit of a double take especially where it is being used as a reason to let it rip.

And whilst I agree it might well be depressing seeing on "Instagram nightclubs in the likes of Miami wide open, no masks and everyone enjoying themselves like it was 2019" - the corally of that is the scenes out of India are truely depressing.

I am not sure if you are missing the point or are being purpousfully obtuse .

Nothing went over my head.

The point is why the need to bring up India in rerpsonse to a poster whi is jeaslous of the freeedoms Florida have?

Penfailed · 27-04-2021 01:54PM

MrMischief wrote: »

Lockdown or keeping industries (hospitality, tourism etc) closed does not fit into the equation below so interesting to see if the mood shifts in the coming week when folks see their pockets hit..

Minister for Public Expenditure, Michael McGrath, gave a clear indication that the Government is moving to cut the PUP sometime after the end of June, admitting they would be “changed” after that.

He told reporters on the way into Cabinet on Tuesday morning: “At this point we have committed to not abruptly ending those supports at the end of June.

“These supports will continue after that, but perhaps in a changed way.

“But those changes have yet to be made and we’ll make those in the month of May to give people adequate notice.”

I wonder what the changes will be. They can't feasibly keep businesses closed and not have a furlough payment forthcoming to those, through no fault of their own, kept out of work.

Penfailed · 27-04-2021 01:56PM

KrustyUCC wrote: »

All leaks and speculation but no point in hotels being open if no intercounty and no use of facilities

Very true.

big syke · 27-04-2021 01:56PM

gozunda wrote: »

Yeah bit like constantly comparing here to somewhere like the US with a population of 328.2 million or even specially selected bits of it with many times Irelands population! And God forbid we would hear anything about other countries or covid on a national station and it being "propagated"????

There's a need to be able to tell the difference between whats happening in the world right now and sticking our fingers in our ears whilst singing "nothing to see here"

The poster didnt compare us to Florida.

They were depressed to see the freedoms they have and you piped in with well not as depressing as India or some other ****e.

Seriously at least be honest in your awful posting and not make up ****e.

charlie14 · 27-04-2021 01:56PM

big syke wrote: »

Who wants to open everything up?

People want a approprate easing of restrictions that make sense i.e. outdoor hospitality, intecounty travel, adult team sports, click and collect.

And a well communicated road map.

I do not think anyone is wanting a total open with no maskes like India.

I have no problem with what you are suggesting. Fully in favour in fact of following the one example that is pertinent to us imo, the U.K. based on vaccination numbers.

As to "Who wants to open everything up" I can`t help the feeling that you may have missed a hefty number of posters here. Some at least who have been anti any type of restrictions over various threads from the outset.

Edit : Well that didn`t take long. See 3 posts down.

Marty Bird · 27-04-2021 01:57PM

Seriously people once that EU cert comes online you will be able to travel by July/Aug, you would need to have your head examined to spend your money here.

great deals abroad can be got and even when you factor in the cost of tests over and back be still cheaper than a wet few days here.

Multipass · 27-04-2021 01:57PM

Penfailed wrote: »

I wonder what the changes will be. They can't feasibly keep businesses closed and not have a furlough payment forthcoming to those, through no fault of their own, kept out of work.

Hopefully they will standardise it with the payment for other people unemployed through no fault of their own.

27-04-2021 01:58PM

big syke wrote: »

I do not think anyone is wanting a total open with no maskes like India.

Incorrect. I do. I trust people to make their own risk assessments and act accordingly.

The only ethical reason to ever have had this level of restriction was to hold up a disastrously managed health service. A health service that didn't come close to collapsing when we had the highest cases per capita in the world (Edit: precisely because countries locked down and put evolutionary pressure on the original virus to mutate to be more transmissible, resulting in B117 spreading here from the UK), before vaccinations had even started.

Open everything and open it now.

Sharpyshoot · 27-04-2021 02:00PM

Marty Bird wrote: »

Seriously people once that EU cert comes online you will be able to travel by July/Aug, you would need to have your head examined to spend your money here.

great deals abroad can be got and even when you factor in the cost of tests over and back be still cheaper than a wet few days here.

Shame you won’t staycation here and put money into pockets of business that are on their knees.

charlie14 · 27-04-2021 02:01PM

big syke wrote: »

I am not sure if you are missing the point or are being purpousfully obtuse .

Nothing went over my head.

The point is why the need to bring up India in rerpsonse to a poster whi is jeaslous of the freeedoms Florida have?

This freedom Florida has was more or less based on "let it rip" was it not ?
India is an example of even with low numbers how that than very quickly become a disaster.
Two sides of the one coin really.

big syke · 27-04-2021 02:01PM

Deleted User wrote: »

Incorrect. I do. I trust people to make their own risk assessments and act accordingly.

The only ethical reason to ever have had this level of restriction was to hold up a disastrously managed health service. A health service that didn't come close to collapsing when we had the highest cases per capita in the world, before vaccinations had even started.

Open everything and open it now.

Well there are always exceptions to the rule.

For a start no mandated masks? How can someone risk assess if its a free for all with the likes of masks.

Multipass · 27-04-2021 02:01PM

Deleted User wrote: »

Incorrect. I do. I trust people to make their own risk assessments and act accordingly.

The only ethical reason to ever have had this level of restriction was to hold up a disastrously managed health service. A health service that didn't come close to collapsing when we had the highest cases per capita in the world, before vaccinations had even started.

Open everything and open it now.

I agree. And all the commentators on India should look up how many people, mostly children, are estimated to have been killed by lockdowns there. Starvation of the young vs respiratory illness in the elderly. Only one makes the rounds on social media.

francogarbanzo · 27-04-2021 02:02PM

We are exactly as much like India, a third-world country with a population of 1.3 billion people, as we are like Florida, a state in a first-world country with a population of 20 million. Therefore, we're just as likely to have outcomes similar to India's as Florida's. Got it, makes sense.

big syke · 27-04-2021 02:03PM

charlie14 wrote: »

This freedom Florida has was more or less based on "let it rip" was it not ?
India is an example of even with low numbers how that than very quickly become a disaster.
Two sides of the one coin really.

That is besides the point and nothing to do with the original posts.

A fair point all the same but again of no value to the point/expression made.

Sharpyshoot · 27-04-2021 02:05PM

francogarbanzo wrote: »

We are exactly as much like India, a third-world country with a population of 1.3 billion people, as we are like Florida, a state in a first-world country with a population of 20 million. Therefore, we're just as likely to have outcomes similar to India's as Florida's. Got it, makes sense.

And nphet are on massive wages.

27-04-2021 02:06PM

big syke wrote: »

Well there are always exceptions to the rule.

For a start no mandated masks? How can someone risk assess if its a free for all with the likes of masks.

What do you mean "how can they risk assess"? Is this a real question?

They can factor in their own health status and age, their potential risk from getting infected, the level of infection in their area, and decide whether they're comfortable with it.

If they're not then they can use click & collect for groceries or get deliveries and stay home until such a time that they are comfortable with the risk. Nobody is obliged to do anything or go anywhere just because they're no longer restricted from doing so by diktat.

27-04-2021 02:11PM

Multipass wrote: »

I agree. And all the commentators on India should look up how many people, mostly children, are estimated to have been killed by lockdowns there. Starvation of the young vs respiratory illness in the elderly. Only one makes the rounds on social media.

I'm not even touching that stuff any more because I end up so completely disgusted by how easily the deaths of hundreds of thousands of children are brushed over so people can keep on being the very bestest at supporting the rules. Sickens me.

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