Relaxation of Restrictions, Part X *Read OP For Mod Warnings*

Don't Chute!

Foreigndad wrote: »

As a Danish person living in Dublin for the last few years it is very fascinating to compare the handling here versus Denmark. Ignoring the deaths and hospitalisations, the communication and sentiment is really night and day. It has started to ease here in Ireland in all honesty but the general aura of fear in Ireland is something I really haven't experienced before and that just isn't present in Denmark (or the rest of Scandinavia, have lots of friends and family in Sweden and Norway too). Not sure if Irish people generally are more afraid of death and getting sick, or if it is purely different communication from media and leadership? My guess is the latter. Very surprised though, had not expected this reaction.

Have a teenage daughter in a school in Dublin and the time she has had to be home from school must be 3-4 times the length of her friends and cousins in Denmark (they don't even have to wear masks in schools). It has been tough on her and I can only imagine how tough it must be for kids from underprivileged backgrounds or for kids with poor teachers and parents that can't help. My daughter's teachers really have been fantastic and done the best out of the situation.

Agree with you completely. My wife is Swedish so I’ve a lot of friends over there and it is nothing like over here. They just get on with things. Irish people are absolutely addicted to misery.

lawred2

Don't Chute! wrote: »

Agree with you completely. My wife is Swedish so I’ve a lot of friends over there and it is nothing like over here. They just get on with things. Irish people are absolutely addicted to misery.

Sure the flagship entertainment show every Friday night has as a rule had at least one slot to discuss death and illness for as long as I can remember

big syke

lawred2 wrote: »

I'm not convinced that all these lockdown fans are really that depressed or saddened by what's going on in India

Just another somewhere to point at

I dunno I am sure they are saddened and it is awful.

But my point is at every chance bringing India up where it has no place in the conversation is just a bit crazy to me.

"Ah its **** seeing x place opening up up and having fun"...Response " ye nearly as **** as whats happening in India"

Like honest to god. The mind Boggles

Corholio

Intercounty travel has been rumoured in both June and July, so will hold fire until that gets clarified. July would be crazy, anything passed early/mid June would be.

11521323

Don't Chute! wrote: »

Agree with you completely. My wife is Swedish so I’ve a lot of friends over there and it is nothing like over here. They just get on with things. Irish people are absolutely addicted to misery.

We're also unbelievably weak as a population. Most people will accept being bent over perpetually once the man on the television says we need to.

We've restricted our way into poll position within Europe for any statistic you want to look at (relating to Covid-19 suppression) and yet our reward for all that effort is a slower reopening than the rest of the world.

The people's response? "Ah sure hopefully we'll be able to sit inside a restaurant by the end of the year"

It's sickening.

SAMTALK

Don't Chute! wrote: »

What is it with some people here using what’s happening in India to justify our continued lockdown? It’s almost as if they are absolutely delighted with what’s happening. Falling over themselves to make ludicrous comparisons. And they still say that they don’t want this to go on forever.

I don't see anything to make me think people are delighted with what's happening.

No one would want any of this to go on forever and to say they do is just being dramatic and over the top with comments

eggy81

gozunda wrote: »

Equally depressing and sad are the scenes coming out of India.

But as you said "everyone" in Florida enjoying themselves like it was 2019

Oh and over 40% of people in Florida have now received at least one dose of vaccine.

Good for them...

What happened in India

titan18

Boggles wrote: »

That's more of an unfounded opinion based on nothing at all.

Have you link to the journalist who wrote it? I can't imagine hotels wanting to open without at least some facilities.

Either people getting upset over hearsay will drive themselves mad.

I mean if they open hotels and tell them indoor dining is safe and also say indoor dining is unsafe in restaurants outside a hotel, they're bigger idiots than I thought.

Whatsisname

eggy81 wrote: »

What happened in India

Everybody died. Theres no India anymore.

Boggles

titan18 wrote: »

I mean if they open hotels and tell them indoor dining is safe and also say indoor dining is unsafe in restaurants outside a hotel, they're bigger idiots than I thought.

But again, why are you getting annoyed over a hypothetical?

big syke

big syke wrote: »

I dunno I am sure they are saddened and it is awful.

But my point is at every chance bringing India up where it has no place in the conversation is just a bit crazy to me.

"Ah its **** seeing x place opening up up and having fun"...Response " ye nearly as **** as whats happening in India"

Like honest to god. The mind Boggles

India this, India that. Anything to deflect from a braindead government incapable of thinking for themselves. The momentum we have lost in the space of one week is staggering. And that can largely be attributed to the return of our lord and saviour Tony. The sycophantic fawning in the media is pukeville. People need to register their disgust with local TDs in droves, this "we'll hold off another few months just in case" paralysis has got to end now. We're at the end of our tether after 14 months of "concerning trends". Where's Hellrazer and his excel spreadsheet, time to stand up and be counted folks. Life is for living, not existing.

celt262

Has they been much noise out of the hoteliers i haven't heard a whole pile surely they are pushing for full opening in June?

KrustyUCC

Boggles wrote: »

That's more of an unfounded opinion based on nothing at all.

Have you link to the journalist who wrote it? I can't imagine hotels wanting to open without at least some facilities.

Either people getting upset over hearsay will drive themselves mad.

Take the source how you wish

"However, the reopening of hotels, which would include bar and restaurant service for guests, could pose problems for the Government if other pubs and restaurants remain closed

Regular indoor dining will most likely not be reopening in June in these outlets, which could lead many to protest against the favouritism being shown to the hotel industry.

Elsewhere, it is expected that outdoor dining will return sometime between the end of May and the middle of June."

https://www.google.com/amp/s/www.irishmirror.ie/news/irish-news/irish-pubs-update-date-set-23979431.amp

growleaves

11521323 wrote: »

We're also unbelievably weak as a population. Most people will accept being bent over perpetually once the man on the television says we need to.

We've restricted our way into poll position within Europe for any statistic you want to look at (relating to Covid-19 suppression) and yet our reward for all that effort is a slower reopening than the rest of the world.

The people's response? "Ah sure hopefully we'll be able to sit inside a restaurant by the end of the year"

It's sickening.

Our carbon neutrality plan is also said to be "without international parallel" so we will be deindustrialising faster and more thoroughly than any other country over the decade with all the disadvantages that will bring.

I think what has happened is that the average person has taken the rational decision to align themselves with power. If the lockdown were ten times worse they would say nothing.

Conversely if they were asked by the powerful (national governments, multinational institutions etc.) to henceforth regard lockdowns as evil and hateful then they would do that.

A German philosopher Peter Sloterdijk wrote a book about the roots of modern cynicism. His thesis (which I'm simplifying for this post) runs that the average modern person sees through all the official deceptions - unbiquitous linguistic absurdities, incoherent propaganda, ever-shifting societal beliefs and priorities - but due to a sort of double layer of cynicism decides he has no strong motivation to oppose it so just goes along passively or even defends them.

TomTomTim

leahyl wrote: »

My parents (both in their 70's) went off for a drive last week (we live in Cork) and were in Kenmare before they realised that they "shouldn't" have crossed the border

Speaking of Kenmare, I was thinking of how ****ed over they'll be with the outdoor dinning plans. There's only one or two places in the town that can even facilitate that, the rest of the businesses will have no option but to stay shut, or do takeaways solely. The plans are completely unjust, but the government cares little

scamalert

So are we seriously playing pretend lockdown for Month of May and theres f all opening and we continue with lvl5 nonsense ?

lawred2

scamalert wrote: »

So are we seriously playing pretend lockdown for Month of May and theres f all opening and we continue with lvl5 nonsense ?

but more people can go to mass

so you have that

Seanachai

11521323 wrote: »

We're also unbelievably weak as a population. Most people will accept being bent over perpetually once the man on the television says we need to.

We've restricted our way into poll position within Europe for any statistic you want to look at (relating to Covid-19 suppression) and yet our reward for all that effort is a slower reopening than the rest of the world.

The people's response? "Ah sure hopefully we'll be able to sit inside a restaurant by the end of the year"

It's sickening.

There's too much acceptance of officialdom without any scrutiny. I think people are still wedded to the familiarity of RTE and see any voice that's not endorsed by them as being unreliable, or even dangerous.

Chris_5339762

I would imagine the governments line on Intercounty will be July - or basically as late as possible.

The MINUTE intercounty is open, the entire population of Dublin will decamp to the south and the west. Since they have much higher cases in a small county with less chance to go anywhere, they are itching for it probably more than other counties (eg: Cork can drive 2 1/2 hours and still be in Cork). In Dublin you have Howth and a small sliver of mountains.

Trouble is you spread the infections then around the country. I can see the problem with this, but it doesn't excuse the governments recent atrocious handling of all this.

gozunda

kwestfan08 wrote: »

So when we reach 40% of people here with at least one shot we can open up then correct? Seems like it would be safe to given what’s happening in the US?

Is that what you took from that Seriously?

So you are saying here is exactly like Florida? But as many here keep pointing out we're not Like India or Germany? How that work?

On top of that why Florida? It just one state out of an entire country which for large part of the year were in the top 10 per capita death rates in the World.

Maybe we could compare it to Munster?
That wouldn't work no?

OK let's look at the stats

Ireland has had 49,584 cases of covid and 978 deaths per million population

Florida has had 102,995 cases of covid and 1625 deaths per million population

OK so in Florida they now have approx 40% vaccinated. How they doing?

Their current positivity rate atm is 7.28% and has been increasing...

In Ireland our current positivity rate 2.8%

So you say it seems like US? When many states are doing even worse than Florida?


I dont think so ...

Boggles

KrustyUCC wrote: »

Take the source how you wish

"However, the reopening of hotels, which would include bar and restaurant service for guests, could pose problems for the Government if other pubs and restaurants remain closed

The / Your source is saying they will be open?

KrustyUCC wrote: »

Also what's the point in hotels being open if you can't have breakfast or dinner in them?

gozunda

big syke wrote: »

Like a broken record at this stage.

Yeah facts are a feking inconvenience alright ...

scamalert

lawred2 wrote: »

but more people can go to mass

so you have that

fcking great :pac: i imagine theyll open up some extra pet farm as well to keep us calm and call it progress :cool:

Penfailed

ypres5 wrote: »

The narrative of an outdoor summer coincided with holohans return so while we might not be locked down until 2025, please tell me when you see things going back to normal? Or are you just going to dodge any post that cant be evaded with a half arsed one liner as usual?

The talk of an outdoor summer started way before his return...but yeah, blame him sure.

gozunda

Don't Chute! wrote: »

What is it with some people here using what’s happening in India to justify our continued lockdown? It’s almost as if they are absolutely delighted with what’s happening. Falling over themselves to make ludicrous comparisons. And they still say that they don’t want this to go on forever.

You mean the constant level of ludicrous comparisons of Ireland with the US / Florida to promote the let it rip theory?

Funny thing is I don't see actual comparisons with 'India' being made. Rather anytime its referred to - some seem to get hysterical that its even mentioned.

Odd that no?

And the other funny thing is - the ones who actually want it to end and for everyone to be vaccinated are the baddies!

celt262

Chris_5339762 wrote: »

I would imagine the governments line on Intercounty will be July - or basically as late as possible.

The MINUTE intercounty is open, the entire population of Dublin will decamp to the south and the west. Since they have much higher cases in a small county with less chance to go anywhere, they are itching for it probably more than other counties (eg: Cork can drive 2 1/2 hours and still be in Cork). In Dublin you have Howth and a small sliver of mountains.

Trouble is you spread the infections then around the country. I can see the problem with this, but it doesn't excuse the governments recent atrocious handling of all this.

If all these vaccines are going to be administered there is no problem.

Penfailed

Boggles wrote: »

Who said hotels will open with closed dining areas?

No one actually said it. People are joining the dots. If you don't have indoor dining open elsewhere, how can it be allowed in hotels?

scamalert

celt262 wrote: »

If all these vaccines are going to be administered there is no problem.

ill subscribe to their service so i could travel to another county in August will be great :pac:

mandrake04

Klonker wrote: »

Australia have very harsh border restrictions but at least they have and have had more freedom within the country over the past year than most of other first world countries.

Here in Ireland we seem to be next in line after Oz and NZ in terms of harsh border restrictions, have a significant portion vaccinated (25% of adults with a first dose), have harsher restrictions within the country than anyone else, are the longest within our current lockdown and will be the last to exit from lockdown also.

How do we have it so bad from every angle? What are we gaining from our MHQ system or our 2k fines for going abroad? What are we gaining from our intercounty travel bans or not allowed to eat outside until June? What did we gain by being the only country in the world to close construction? I don't know how people still think any of this is still acceptable.

Aside from Melbourne its been very relaxed here in Australia for the last year, where I live the most restrictive time was from 29th March to 14th May they closed all hospitality, indoor dining etc and non-essential stuff like Cinemas, gyms etc. But schools, shopping centres and shops remained opened with social distance (1.5m) and each shop had max numbers of people allowed in. This lasted about 6 weeks, then mid May they allowed indoor dining limited numbers 1 person 4m2. June onwards was gradually more normal and opened Pubs and hotels by end of July. By mid October everything was nearly back to normal, I had my work xmas party start of December and it was no different from the previous year except staff wore masks.

All but a few restrictions have now been removed since February, you just have to scan a QR code on entry and its extremely normal.

here is an example.

https://www.facebook.com/media/set?vanity=TheMercantileHotel&set=a.4212405355460548

https://www.facebook.com/media/set?vanity=TheMercantileHotel&set=a.4230690280298722

Also you can get an exemption to leave the country for stuff like funerals, weddings and for personal business over 3 months. There has been an average of 11,000 exemptions per month over the last year. I would have no problem getting an exemption as a dual citizen if I wanted to, but I dont.

Its not as if Australians are looking to travel for a sun holiday, its basically summer here 9 months of the year and even though winter is very mild compared to Europe you can still ski in the snowys.

There's no marches here demanding travel overseas, people just look at Europe and all the lockdowns and why would they waste their money to go to these sh!tholes to sit around with nothing open. Nah they just holiday at home where you can actually do stuff, most people are confident to stick to their own state to avoid state border closures. At Easter everywhere was packed, and boat and caravan sales shot up late last year. People are happy to spend their money on something they can enjoy because anywhere overseas bar NZ is extremely poor value and will be for some time to come.

The trade off between a few weeks travel and having schools, business and freedom to live a quality life. If I was in Ireland though all these lockdowns I probably eat my gun, I just wouldn't live like that. I would rather sacrifice 2 weeks in sun than spend 5-6 months living like a rat, its an absolute no brainer.

big syke

gozunda wrote: »

Yeah facts are a feking inconvenience alright ...

Why bring it up ? Had nothing to do with the post you replied to and added no value to the conversation.