Eoghan Murphy TD resigns...

27-04-2021 10:58am

thomas 123 wrote: »

Reading over the first 5 Pages of this thread it’s almost like he didn’t preside over the homeless, rent, and housing crisis that is railroading my generation currently and for the last 7/8 years.

He held office. Very little he could do to fight other factors like CGT breaks to investors, throwing Ireland open to REITs, encouraging inward immigration of MNCs, workers and non-workers with not a thought to where these people would live, tearing down of half-built residential estates.
Triage was the most that could be expected of him and he doled out the sticking plasters but he was never going to solve the problem when the rest of Government policy was working against his mandate

PixieValentine · 27-04-2021 10:59am

Beechwoodspark wrote: »

He was damaged goods and a lightning rod for opposition attacks

He says he asked Leo for a “breather” and to step back from ministerial politics....how true would that be?

Well, it might actually be true. Or somewhat true, anyway. I know people are talking about how he's going because he got dropped from cabinet, he'd have stayed if he was a Minister, etc and maybe he would have- but certainly, last summer it was said by the media numerous times that he didn’t want a Ministry at the time. I definitely remember reading more than once that he had asked Leo not to even consider his name for cabinet, even as a Junior Minister.

I know that might well have just been “sources close to Eoghan Murphy” (cough cough) putting a brave face on things for him, and it might be him doing the same now, but it does seem to me like it ties in with what a reporter from Newstalk said today on seeing the news about him resigning, which is by all accounts, he seemed very jaded with politics after his stint in Housing. According to the reporter this morning, leadership in FG thought that they could “build him back up” behind the scenes (I think I read last year about some job the Tanaiste had created for him in FG rebuilding their organisation or something along those lines) but maybe he’s really just done and doesn’t want it anymore? He won his seat last Feb, was guaranteed the seat and the money as long as this government lasts- it would have been fairly easy for him to stay a while longer and make that guaranteed money. If he’s leaving even though he doesn’t have another job to actually go to, he must feel pretty finished with politics.

odyssey06 · 27-04-2021 11:03am

mariaalice wrote: »

Your background has nothing to do with your politics someone can come from any background and joined any political party its healthy for society and means no one is defined by their background.

Paul Murphy and Richards Boyed Barret's background, for example, has no relevance to their politics at best it's a bit odd maybe.

It is relevant if people use Murphy's background to attack his policies... especially people who support Murphy and Boyd Barrett?

blackwhite · 27-04-2021 11:04am

Hard to see beyond FG purely based on the profile of the constituency.

If Chu runs she'll poll well, but I don't think she'll transfer well enough to get over the line.

In 2020 only FG ran more than one candidate. FF, Greens and SF currently have TDs who have been the face of the party in the constituency for most of the last decade, and there certainly isn't two seats there for any of them come the next GE.
SF only actually managed to get a single councillor elected in any of the DBS LEAs last time out, and that was Chris Andrews who was then elected TD in 2020.
Chu and O'Connell are the only high-profile names across the bigger parties there, and it's not even certain that either will be their parties' nominee

StupidLikeAFox · 27-04-2021 11:05am

Eamon Ryan topped the poll here last time out. Im not sure how much of that was a personal vote, but a green candidate may do very well here.

Kate OConnell narrowly missed out to Jim OCallaghan, but FG ran two candidates so she is prob the favourite.

Some lad called Sean OLeary only got 12 votes, wonder will he give it another crack

Feisar · 27-04-2021 11:05am

thomas 123 wrote: »

Reading over the first 5 Pages of this thread it’s almost like he didn’t preside over the homeless, rent, and housing crisis that is railroading my generation currently and for the last 7/8 years.

In fairness...

gormdubhgorm · 27-04-2021 11:05am

McMurphy wrote: »

I remember your contributions to the thread about FG wanting to hold a state commemoration for the black and tans, and so that bolded paragraph is definitely up for debate.

Why so because I could say what I saw what was happening?
The fact is certain cohorts are easily lead regardless of societal demographic.

Because to use an internet word the politicians know the stereotypes from that societal demographic will be 'triggered'.
And those become the defacto leaders of the 'tribe'. Politicians love a 'them and us'. It means guaranteed votes from a certain section of the population.

There is no grey area for the vocal on the internet. And on that particular issue that is what I was discussing.

That is the nub of the issue there is no grey area in discussion on boards.ie and not much nuance. Or real analysis where people stand back and look objectively at what is going on.

It has been seen time and time again in threads such as this on boards.ie. Playing to stereotypes.

thomas 123 · 27-04-2021 11:06am

Feisar wrote: »

In fairness...

Still no impact under his tenure though, we can’t always look backward to justify inaction.

TheValeyard · 27-04-2021 11:07am

Colonel Claptrap wrote: »

I was in the RDS count centre when he was returned in the last election. The boos and slurs from a certain cohort was disgusting.

Who would want to be a politician in this day and age? Not me.

I wouldnt be a fan of his. But no one deserves that treatment, anyone brave enough to put themselves forward for election should be commended.

Denny61 · 27-04-2021 11:07am

He said he was daunted but excited by the future..what he should really have said was..i was daunted by my ministerial portfolio. Unable to do much good..and can't see myself being any better in the future..ive decided my talents are better put to use in other fields where people hopefully have not heard of Me and hopefully employ me ..!!!

gormdubhgorm · 27-04-2021 11:08am

mariaalice wrote: »

Your background has nothing to do with your politics someone can come from any background and joined any political party its healthy for society and means no one is defined by their background.

Paul Murphy and Richards Boyed Barret's background, for example, has no relevance to their politics at best it's a bit odd maybe.

Exactly, but those who do a 180 based on their ideology v background have to be almost more vocal than those where it already aligns. To prove a point.

blackwhite · 27-04-2021 11:10am

archfi wrote: »

Bacik expected to be Labour candidate according to guy on Claire Byrne.
Dub Bay Soith will be the ultimate 'woke' off

McDowell mentioned!

Kevin Humphreys has been the Labour candidate there for many years, and was a TD in 2011 for the old Dublin South-East that preceded DBS being formed and is a former Minister of State. He has always had a strong personal vote in the area, particularly in the Ringsend side

Hard to see them bumping him from the ticket, unless he has decided to retire from politics.

MrMusician18 · 27-04-2021 11:10am

Cal Croydon wrote: »

Ireland has a poverty porn obsession. It's weird. People in other countries don't focus on the homeless anywhere near as much. But it just makes the Irish so smugly self satisfied to obsess about a tiny number of people living in tents mostly due to mental health issues. And then virtue signal about it to a nauseating degree. Sensible people like Murphy are better off in the multinational sector. No hope battling that tide.

Homelessness was never the real issue that motivated voters. Homelessness was an issue tacked on by various NGO's onto an affordability crisis in general housing which affected a significant minority of the population.

Proof? Homelessness has been around for a long long time and no one cared, I don't believe the typical Irish voter started caring in 2015 all of a sudden either.

Feisar · 27-04-2021 11:11am

thomas 123 wrote: »

Still no impact under his tenure though, we can’t always look backward to justify inaction.

Well that's true to, solid point.

jimmycrackcorm · 27-04-2021 11:12am

thomas 123 wrote: »

Reading over the first 5 Pages of this thread it’s almost like he didn’t preside over the homeless, rent, and housing crisis that is railroading my generation currently and for the last 7/8 years.

I actually liked Murphy as a person, he seemed a decent sort, but he was nothing but a failure as minister for housing, all of these areas have gotten worse. It’s also not just people who want a free house, those of us who work are, and will continue to be, locked out of owning a home - I’d imagine/hope his lack of action was more fine Gaels fault than his own.

Perhaps you should direct your ire at all the people objecting to developments right left and centre and their elected representatives that regularly post on social media about how they're happy those objections were upheld.

27-04-2021 11:14am

Colonel Claptrap wrote: »

I was in the RDS count centre when he was returned in the last election. The boos and slurs from a certain cohort was disgusting.

Who would want to be a politician in this day and age? Not me.

Who was doing this? Sinn Fein supporters?

touts · 27-04-2021 11:14am

He was never cut out for politics. No experience and no natural ability. He fell into a Dail seat and then into a Ministerial pension. God help whoever he ends up working for now. They'll effectively be putting a college graduate apprentice into a senior management role.

Pandiculation · 27-04-2021 11:14am

This recent phenomenon of haranguing and threatening representatives of any party needs to stop. It’s really bad for democracy and it’ll keep people of all political points of view, who might be excellent candidates, from ever putting their name on a ballot.

I wouldn’t be a fan of FG policy and I’m not at all happy with the housing situation, but I thought he was targeted very aggressively by certain elements who just seemed to want to operate outside politics.

We’ve an extremely open, proportional representation democracy, with a very low bar to entry. If you don’t like a political point of view, vote for someone else or even stand yourself.

If politics becomes too much of a strain on personal life due to an atmosphere like that you’ll end up with a coarsening of debate and ultimately awful candidates who are all about brass neck and nothing else. That’s basically how the US has ended up with such an array of awful candidates and such poor engagement. If you stand, you’re immediately into a mud slinging match and personal attacks. It’s a slippery slope that leads to Trump like politicians and all the normal people seeing politics as something to stay clear of.

There’s way too much playing the man/woman rather than the ball.

archfi · 27-04-2021 11:14am

blackwhite wrote: »

Kevin Humphreys has been the Labour candidate there for many years, and was a TD in 2011 for the old Dublin South-East that preceded DBS being formed and is a former Minister of State. He has always had a strong personal vote in the area, particularly in the Ringsend side

Hard to see them bumping him from the ticket, unless he has decided to retire from politics.

Good point but maybe the gender balance imperative will win out?
It's not as if Labour are going to win

VinLieger · 27-04-2021 11:16am

Deleted User wrote: »

Who was doing this? Sinn Fein supporters?

As well as Solidarity/PBP et al or whatever they have started calling themselves this week

archfi · 27-04-2021 11:17am

Deleted User wrote: »

Who was doing this? Sinn Fein supporters?

Solidarity PBP as far as I have read.

27-04-2021 11:18am

VinLieger wrote: »

As well as Solidarity/PBP et al or whatever they have started calling themselves this week

Thanks.

I'd take that as a compliment to be opposed by those groups

thomas 123 · 27-04-2021 11:18am

jimmycrackcorm wrote: »

Perhaps you should direct your ire at all the people objecting to developments right left and centre and their elected representatives that regularly post on social media about how they're happy those objections were upheld.

This isn’t the thread for that but if you watch the dail or actually read about what’s being objected I think you’d have a different view point.

If I was happy with public lands being gifted to private developers to sell housing off in bulk to investment funds then maybe I’d get your point...

Oh... and maybe if I wanted to live in a coffin with a high ceiling(new bedsits).

gormdubhgorm · 27-04-2021 11:18am

MrMusician18 wrote: »

Homelessness was never the real issue that motivated voters. Homelessness was an issue tacked on by various NGO's onto an affordability crisis in general housing which effected a significant minority of the population.

Proof? Homelessness has been around for a long long time and no one cares, I don't believe the typical Irish voter started caring in 2015 all of a sudden either.

Sadly, I agree. Homelessness is just used as political tool a pawn in the game. When money is spent elsewhere suddenly you hear there is xyz amount of people homeless on the streets what about them?

If people really and truly cared they would be inviting the homeless into their own homes. Giving them a floor to kip on. I remember the pantomime in Apollo House (Dublin City Centre) when a few singers got on a roof to protest at it's demolition. Meanwhile inside local drug addicts were having a whale of a time inside a structurally unsafe building.

27-04-2021 11:19am

This younger generation of FG and I struggle to admit it, FF politicians act much more like public representatives than those from 15 to 20 years ago. i don't like that they are being driven out of politics by being abused in their daily lives and fear that the vacuum will be filled by unsavory types.

iffandonlyif · 27-04-2021 11:23am

I remember my excitement in 2011 at the election of two young politicians with advanced degrees - Murphy a Master's from King's College London, Stephen Donnelly a Master's from Harvard. It felt that finally talented people would be attracted to politics in place of the teachers, etc, that predominated, and that Irish politics would be measurably better off as a consequence. I learnt the lesson that no amount education enables a politician to deal with the many forces in politics outside of their control. Murphy was a classic case of a competent minister who looks out of his depth because of the complexity and dysfunction of his portfolio.

bobbysands81 · 27-04-2021 11:23am

Cal Croydon wrote: »

Paul Murphy, Richard Boyd Barrett, Mary-Lou, Eoin O'Brien

All privately educated. All of them with private health insurance. At the very least, people should question their socialist credentials and whether perhaps they're pulling the wool over everyone's eyes.

All of the above is a symptom of an unequal society not the cause of it. I’d prefer we focussed on the causes of an unequal society and changed them.

FrancieBrady · 27-04-2021 11:27am

Co-responsible with Harris and Varadkar for FG's disaster in the election...Harris recovered from being hidden away for an election campaign Eoghan didn't.

Never struck me as competent so would be nervous of him being around nuclear weapons.

Best of luck Eoghan, as they say around here 'I'm sure you'll not be stuck'.

Shelga · 27-04-2021 11:28am

iffandonlyif wrote: »

I remember my excitement in 2011 at the election of two young politicians with advanced degrees - Murphy a Master's from King's College London, Stephen Donnelly a Master's from Harvard. It felt that finally talented people would be attracted to politics in place of the teachers, etc, that predominated, and that Irish politics would be measurably better off as a consequence. I learnt the lesson that no amount education enables a politician to deal with the many forces in politics outside of their control. Murphy was a classic case of a competent minister who looks out of his depth because of the complexity and dysfunction of his portfolio.

Donnelly is also just arrogant and easy to dislike. If people don't like you, it doesn't matter how many degrees you have.

Murphy seemed nice enough but don't know enough about what he achieved or didn't achieve as housing minister, it's difficult to find detailed information about his tenure anywhere.

Beechwoodspark · 27-04-2021 11:28am

Did I hear this correctly

He said on Claire Byrne that he had a chance meeting with enda kenny in london after a rugby match and enda “encouraged” him to join FG and run for the dail

Is that what he said?

Eoghan Murphy TD resigns...

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