Relaxation of Restrictions, Part X *Read OP For Mod Warnings*

Boggles wrote: »

50 ould wans spaced 10 meters apart masked on a Sunday morning listening to a priest helped by a couple other people, the majority of which will probably have been vaccinated is a world apart from letting 10s of 1000s of people back to work in cramped kitchens and bars all over the country, where a false since of security would only be natural.

That's before you even consider the gathering before and most definitely after any of these outdoor sessions by the likes of me.

How are the takeaways working if they are not going into their cramped kitchen?

robbiezero wrote: »

How are the takeaways working if they are not going into their cramped kitchen?

The takeaway kitchens , super market staff at the deli and staff canteen , and off licenses etc are covered under the “magic shield”.

It’s the same magic shield that also shielded customers who had a substantial meal / beer for €9 last summer

I'm getting so annoyed at the leaks over the weekend in terms of easing restrictions. Just when we think it can't be any slower, Tony comes back and we add another month on to the finish line.

We've been in lockdown since Christmas. Other EU countries eased restrictions earlier in the year but we didn't as we didn't want to have to 'take a step back' but the idea I always thought and that we were being sold was that we'd be in a better place come the summer.

But now the summer is coming upon us and some of those EU countries had/have rising rates and had to take a step back but do people actually believe they won't ease their restrictions before us again? Does anyone think any other country in the EU will have no outside dining until June or indoor dining until July? No it'll just be us just to be 'cautious', even though we have the youngest population and amoung the lowest current rates at the moment.

When NPHET give their recommendations do they use projections to back up the recommendations? It would be interesting to see what projections they gave if they did. Whatever about now, almost all over 60s and the high risk groups (cohorts 4 & 7) will have had at least a first dose by then and we'll probably be at around 50% of adults with a forest dose. How can they justify no intercounty travel or indoor dining by then? I'd love to see the modelling where hospitals and ICUs are filling up at that stage.

Doctor Jimbob wrote: »

Kitchens are open at the moment, most restaurants near me are doing delivery and takeaway

Indeed and that is why there reported outbreaks in them and retail.

When you scale it up with more staffing required and the inevitable increase in contacts and offsite outbreaks, the age profile of people who work industry, etc, etc.

There is no real comparison to be made with allowing very limited amounts of masked people into mass, masked, who large numbers of have probably been vaccinated.

Any whispers of adult amateur team sports returning?

dalyboy wrote: »

I couldn’t read the rest of your post past that obvious straw man 1st paragraph

You're right!

It's amazing how some people pick up this "But India" argument when they don't have a clue about the country and the full picture there.... they never even gave a second thought to the country before this...

dalyboy wrote: »

Wow. An amazing example of nit picking
I never implied that I found hilarity in deaths of anyone.

I couldn’t read the rest of your post past that obvious straw man 1st paragraph

Was it?

I referred to this piece of ....

dalyboy wrote:

Haha
Brilliant
So people who want the country open are the contrarians. I thought the contrarians were the people who originally shut down the economy and society disproportionately to a 99.7% survivable virus

And no its not just 'deaths'. But you know that already...

And that study with the 0.1% remains a measure of transmission for outdoor activities only during the lockdown. Not really surprising the result was low tbh. Bit like counting cars when carparks are closed.

But yeah everything else is simply "contrarians" and "stawmen" ...

gozunda wrote: »

Delighted you find the issue of the pandemic so hilarious. Maybe share the joke with the people in India...

But I digress. Youre 0 1% figure was rightly held up to ridicule. It was determined by a survey which measured transmission here during lockdown where outdoor activities had already been heavily restricted.

The accepted figure internationally is approx 10% but that presumes outdoor activities which do not include close contact or socialising amongst groups of people.

Btw I really don't know where you are finding "these people" but afaik 50% of a countrries adult population vaccinated is now accepted as international best practice before removing restrictions / opening up.

We're no where near that- and already we've had a rollback of restrictions and still we get people whinging. Go figure

https://www.breakingnews.ie/ireland/slight-bias-in-data-on-covid-19-outdoor-transmission-prof-says-1106944.html

However, Prof Fanning nonetheless said the data was reassuring and that financial supports to encourage outdoor dining should be “much higher” so that Ireland could become an outdoor dining society.

“The 0.1 per cent [of cases linked to outdoor transmission] is probably the lower limit of what it could go to, I imagine that is somewhere between that and one per cent, but it's still extremely good news,” he said.

Weird. He mentions a "slight bias", but hardly ridicule. Can you link to where the figure has "been held up to ridicule".

Today is being called Happy Monday in Scotland, everything is opening back up.

robbiezero wrote: »

https://www.breakingnews.ie/ireland/slight-bias-in-data-on-covid-19-outdoor-transmission-prof-says-1106944.html

Weird. He mentions a "slight bias", but hardly ridicule. Can you link to where the figure has "been held up to ridicule".

So you reckon a study which measured transmission for outdoor activities when there was fuk all outdoor activities taking place a fair measure of transmissibility?

That study been discussed here many times already. But sure feel free to hang you hat on it :rolleyes:

big syke wrote: »

I think there needs to be a little bit of perspective on the entre India situation.
Yes its awful, really awful.
However to even hint we could end up like them by moving too quick on restrictions is a bit of a stretch.

It's absolutely nuts to try and compare the situation in India to Ireland and anyone who does so really needs to hermetically seal themselves in their homes and never emerge again...

big syke wrote: »

Oh really? That would be really great. Presume 15 pod non contact type job.

Sports training outdoors for the over-18s was also expected to resume in May, the Taoiseach said

Yeah I'd expect similar to Juvenile training returning this week

Matches possibly in June at a guess

gozunda wrote: »

So you reckon a study which measured transmission for outdoor activities when there was fuk all outdoor activities taking place a fair measure of transmissibility?

That study been discussed here many times already. But sure feel free to hang you hat on it :rolleyes:

So no ridicule then. More bullsh1t as usual.

gozunda wrote: »

So you reckon a study which measured transmission for outdoor activities when there was fuk all outdoor activities taking place a fair measure of transmissibility?

That study been discussed here many times already. But sure feel free to hang you hat on it :rolleyes:

I'm very curious, what do you think is the correct course of action and why?

The Covidians are getting desperate now, they can sense their beloved lockdown will be coming to an end soon. Expect them to get even more deranged the next while as they desperately try clamour on to their little lockdown paradise.