Leo Varadkar story in The Village??? - Mod Notes and banned Users in OP updated 16/05

jmcc · 18-04-2021 4:00pm

FrancieBrady wrote: »

I see FG in the low 20's if the government goes full term and FF in the high teens = close the gap from what it is now in the latest poll, where FG dropped 1 and FF gained 2.

It is a different methodology to that used by RedC. RedC uses a panel of 40K people to generate its 1K sample. It is not a random sample as such and is more of a tracking poll. The other aspect is that FF's older supporters don't like online/phone polling so RedC tends to underestimate FF support. The Ireland Thinks methodology does seem to try to compensate for that effect and shows FF support 5% higher. When face to face polling resumed for a while last year, FF's support increased dramatically.

FG was at around 30% in the opinion polls in late 2019. Charlie Tan'agan and his gang of neo-Unionists tried to commemorate the Black and Tans/RIC and FG's support collapsed to 20% and it was beaten by SF. Party support always crystalises in the last few weeks before an election and FG's current %s are very much the product of incessant propaganda from pro-FG media.

The next GE campaign will be a very different one. IN&M was bought in a firesale by a Belgian company. Previously, it had a massively pro-FG slant due to the largest shareholder being the lucky winner of the second mobile phone licence courtesty of FG, Denis O'Brien. Communicorp was also sold. So that's another previously pro-FG media group that may be in play. The sales of newspapers on which parties relied so heavily to influence votes are collapsing. Social Media is the new battleground. An FF recovery is not out of the question but FF would need to get rid of Martin.

Regards...jmcc

jmcc · 18-04-2021 4:10pm

Marine Layer wrote: »

I think the difference couldn't be more stark
One is 80 years ago

And FG's Youth organisation voting to make Maggie Thatcher an honourary member? A bunch of Tory wannabes!

Regards...jmcc

18-04-2021 4:11pm

jmcc wrote: »

Communicorp was also sold. So that's another previously pro-FG media group that may be in play.

Regards...jmcc

Radio/TV is never in play
Rule 27 BAI

18-04-2021 4:13pm

jmcc wrote: »

And FG's Youth organisation voting to make Maggie Thatcher an honourary member? A bunch of Tory wannabes!

Regards...jmcc

Youth wings,God bless them are a bit off centre alright
Thankfully it doesn't always get into the mainstream

http://republicanyouth.org/articles/international-cuba

jmcc · 18-04-2021 4:14pm

"Tánaiste Leo Varadkar has been questioned by gardaí over the leaking of a confidential Government document, while detectives also took possession of the Fine Gael leader’s mobile phone after he handed it over in a major upscaling of the investigation." Sindo. 18/April/2021.

Varadkar was interviewed under caution on April 9th. His friend, O'Toole, was interviewed on April 5th. The pro-FG media has been pushing a non-story about an SF electoral database and has completely avoided the story about Varadkar being questioned under caution and his mobile phone being surrendered.

Regards...jmcc

jmcc · 18-04-2021 4:21pm

Marine Layer wrote: »

Radio/TV is never in play
Rule 27 BAI

The same people who thought that they should be the ones to regulate the Internet? That BAI?

Wasn't there some bill on cross-media ownership that was sidelined a few years ago when Dinny O'Brien was the largest shareholder in IN&M and owner of Communicorp?

Regards...jmcc

18-04-2021 4:28pm

jmcc wrote: »

"Tánaiste Leo Varadkar has been questioned by gardaí over the leaking of a confidential Government document, while detectives also took possession of the Fine Gael leader’s mobile phone after he handed it over in a major upscaling of the investigation." Sindo. 18/April/2021.

Varadkar was interviewed under caution on April 9th. His friend, O'Toole, was interviewed on April 5th. The pro-FG media has been pushing a non-story about an SF electoral database and has completely avoided the story about Varadkar being questioned under caution and his mobile phone being surrendered.

Regards...jmcc

You're some man for the scoops,We'd never know only for you repeating it there

You forgot the bits about the source saying the document wasnt protected and no benefit to vradakar found,but We'll forgive you that,I'll just repeat it instead

18-04-2021 4:31pm

jmcc wrote: »

The same people who thought that they should be the ones to regulate the Internet? That BAI?

Wasn't there some bill on cross-media ownership that was sidelined a few years ago when Dinny O'Brien was the largest shareholder in IN&M and owner of Communicorp?

Regards...jmcc

Irrelevant to the law on radio and tv which you misinterpreted for us by saying it was 'in play' for the next election
It most certainly is not

jmcc · 18-04-2021 4:36pm

Marine Layer wrote: »

You're some man for the scoops,We'd never know only for you repeating it there

Really? I would have thought that you were a Sunday Independent reader.

You forgot the bits about the source saying the document wasnt protected and no benefit to vradakar found,but We'll forgive you that,I'll just repeat it instead

The point is that Varadkar was interviewed under caution on April 9th. The pro-FG media had avoided that story and had instead run with the non-story by Varadkar's hagiographer about the SF electoral database. One wonders what other bad FG news they are trying to hide? Any comments?

Regards...jmcc

jmcc · 18-04-2021 4:43pm

Marine Layer wrote: »

Irrelevant to the law on radio and tv which you misinterpreted for us by saying it was 'in play' for the next election
It most certainly is not

So you think that the Sindo/Indo will end up like RTE treating Labour/Stickies Nua as still being a major political party with only 6 seats? After all, Varadkar (the choice of the FG Politburo and the Wokus Dei) led FG to one of its worst General Election results ever. That was with a pro-FG and anti-SF Dublin media. Now the owners of the radio stations and the Sindo/Indo have changed. There might even be some balanced reporting for the next GE.

Regards...jmcc

18-04-2021 4:49pm

jmcc wrote: »

So you think that the Sindo/Indo will end up like RTE treating Labour/Stickies Nua as still being a major political party with only 6 seats? After all, Varadkar (the choice of the FG Politburo and the Wokus Dei) led FG to one of its worst General Election results ever. That was with a pro-FG and anti-SF Dublin media. Now the owners of the radio stations and the Sindo/Indo have changed. There might even be some balanced reporting for the next GE.

Regards...jmcc

This is real conspiracy theory stuff. It's all over the place, mentions Stickies like it was still the late 70's and Eoghan Harris was one of the main men in RTÉ; accuses entire publications and organisations of having bias against SF etc. It's mad auld stuff to be honest. Reminds me of that Paddy O'Semtex character in Phoenix Magazine.

I know the realisation that LV won't be slopping out in Mountjoy is difficult for you to take, but maybe take a step back and review what you are actually suggesting?

What's happening is that SF have designs on being in power in this country, and journalists working in the media are lifting the SF slates up and having a good look at what's lurking underneath them. That's democracy, and that's very healthy. As I mentioned, this is a party who doesn't even recognise the legitimacy of the State! :cool:

18-04-2021 4:52pm

jmcc wrote: »

So you think that the Sindo/Indo will end up like RTE treating Labour/Stickies Nua as still being a major political party with only 6 seats? After all, Varadkar (the choice of the FG Politburo and the Wokus Dei) led FG to one of its worst General Election results ever. That was with a pro-FG and anti-SF Dublin media. Now the owners of the radio stations and the Sindo/Indo have changed. There might even be some balanced reporting for the next GE.

Regards...jmcc

I think calling tv media and radio anyway biased is out because of BAI rule 27
You could maybe start a new thread on that topic
Over in America is where you'll see what proper bias without a rule 27 is like

18-04-2021 4:59pm

jmcc wrote: »

Really? I would have thought that you were a Sunday Independent reader.

The point is that Varadkar was interviewed under caution on April 9th. The pro-FG media had avoided that story and had instead run with the non-story by Varadkar's hagiographer about the SF electoral database. One wonders what other bad FG news they are trying to hide? Any comments?

Regards...jmcc

OR they didnt have a Garda Source connected to the inquiry unlike the British Times
Look,its been a bad news day for the jail vradakar hopecasters
I get that
But Sure you'll find something new and maybe I'll agree with you
This though always was a no flowers garden path

Zebra3 · 18-04-2021 5:05pm

Marine Layer wrote: »

I think calling tv media and radio anyway biased is out because of BAI rule 27
You could maybe start a new thread on that topic
Over in America is where you'll see what proper bias without a rule 27 is like

Hmmm.

SF constantly face questions about past activities of the IRA.

FFFG and Labour never face similar questions about their collaborations with the crimes of the RC church.

18-04-2021 5:09pm

Zebra3 wrote: »

Hmmm.

SF constantly face questions about past activities of the IRA.

FFFG and Labour never face similar questions about their collaborations with the crimes of the RC church.

Ya, apart from the enquiries, the State apologies, the redress boards, the documentaries on TV, the books written, and the hundreds of newspaper columns about it. :rolleyes:

RandomName2 · 18-04-2021 5:09pm

Deleted User wrote: »

This is real conspiracy theory stuff. It's all over the place

Just stuck my head in quickly to see if the quality had improved.

In fairness I don't see any echo defense, but the 'But Sinn Fein' defense is in full flow. 'How dare they mention X about Sinn Fein!'.

Er.. Spanish Civil War.
Using the Independent covering the story today as evidence of the Independent being unwilling to cover it is an interesting.. sorry.. I mean 'fascinating' take.

What else is here..

Denis O'Brien
Margaret Thatcher
General Franco.

Look, it's really dumpster quality, but I think it's genuinely unfair to criticize it as it is showing a bit of originality and effort, it's not just saying the same thing over and over again in order to avoid answering questions.

RandomName2 · 18-04-2021 5:11pm

Zebra3 wrote: »

FFFG and Labour never face similar questions about their collaborations with the crimes of the RC church.

Well maybe Fianna Fail should.

It would be a little bit unfair to pin that on Fine Gael/Labour seeing how little time they were in power before the 90s, and they were never in power outside a coalition.

DeValera's unnatural closeness with the RC church is well known. It is a legitimate dig in my opinion.

jmcc · 18-04-2021 5:15pm

Deleted User wrote: »

This is real conspiracy theory stuff. It's all over the place, mentions Stickies like it was still the late 70's and Eoghan Harris was one of the main men in RTÉ; accuses entire publications and organisations of having bias against SF etc.

The leaders debate would be the best example of bias. SF was the largest party in the opinion polls and RTE wanted to limit the leaders debate to just Varadkar and Martin.

The Labour/Stickies Nua might have been a bit before your time even in the Young FG. Labour and the remnants of the Stickies (Democratic Left) merged. It was really a reverse takeover of Labour by Stickies and as they had done with every other party that they infected, they destroyed it. Labour/Stickies Nua went from "Gilmore for Taoiseach" and 37 seats to 7 seats. RTE, due to its Stickies history, still tries to present Labour/Stickies as being a major party and has Angry Alan Kelly on panels. Then there was the Presidential Election issue.

What's happening is that SF have designs on being in power in this country, and journalists working in the media are lifting the SF slates up and having a good look at what's lurking underneath them.

The same journalists who took 9 days to report that Varadkar had been interviewed under caution by the Gardai?

That's democracy, and that's very healthy.

You support FG? The same party that had its leader installed by a politburo that ignored the majority of the votes of its members?

Now you may think that Varadkar's low behaviour was acceptable. Perhaps that's the spivishness that FG now represents. There was a time when FG claimed to have higher standards than FF. Now, it seems, that you are all the same. Orwell encapsulated it best:

"The creatures outside looked from pig to man, and from man to pig, and from pig to man again; but already it was impossible to say which was which."

Regards...jmcc

RandomName2 · 18-04-2021 5:20pm

jmcc wrote: »

The Labour/Stickies Nua

FG? The same party that had its leader installed by a politburo

spivishness

Orwell

I don't have anything to add here, nor do I feel obliged given that you constantly dodge questions.

Just quoting the bits of your post that most amused me.

18-04-2021 5:25pm

Zebra3 wrote: »

FFFG and Labour never face similar questions about their collaborations with the crimes of the RC church.

Jaysis...

Could we get back on topic now
I'll start
The reason no one has stepped aside over this document thing,is the government believe no crime happened and don't want to be seen to be entertaining what they see as spurious processes instigated by any Tom Dick or Paddy Cosgrave designed to disrupt government
They've moved on and let the process play out

FrancieBrady · 18-04-2021 5:36pm

Marine Layer wrote: »

Jaysis...

Could we get back on topic now
I'll start
The reason no one has stepped aside over this document thing,is the government believe no crime happened and don't want to be seen to be entertaining what they see as spurious processes instigated by any Tom Dick or Paddy Cosgrave designed to disrupt government
They've moved on and let the process play out

Or they circled the wagons to protect somebody who confessed to wrong doing of a magnitude that required a Garda criminal investigation.

When that coalition was formed by two civil war parties comingtogether (merging/giving up the pretence they are different) in a last ditch effort to preserve the power for themselves, my money is on the above.

jimmycrackcorm · 18-04-2021 6:22pm

Zebra3 wrote: »

Hmmm.

SF constantly face questions about past activities of the IRA.

FFFG and Labour never face similar questions about their collaborations with the crimes of the RC church.

Is there any information about SF bringing up any objections to what was happening with the RC church in those times? Maybe the young women sent to the laundries were exempt if they came from staunch republican families.

SF have no record to be proud about in this area when it comes to Gerry's handling of his brother and Maria Cahill's treatment by the IRA investigation.

I can't understand the attempts to paint SF as the good guys here.

skimpydoo · 18-04-2021 6:32pm

jimmycrackcorm wrote: »

Is there any information about SF bringing up any objections to what was happening with the RC church in those times? Maybe the young women sent to the laundries were exempt if they came from staunch republican families.

SF have no record to be proud about in this area when it comes to Gerry's handling of his brother and Maria Cahill's treatment by the IRA investigation.

I can't understand the attempts to paint SF as the good guys here.

There are no good guys. Every party has its skeletons.

18-04-2021 6:32pm

FrancieBrady wrote: »

Or they circled the wagons to protect somebody who confessed to wrong doing of a magnitude that required a Garda criminal investigation.

.

But sure,they've nothing to protect,believing there to be no crime
Its more a case of preventing any Tom Dick or Paddy Cosgrave with a vandetta instigating investigations of what they believe not to be true
It seems the Times source has confirmed them right on that
No Crime,no charge
It really is that simple

FrancieBrady · 18-04-2021 6:44pm

Marine Layer wrote: »

But sure,they've nothing to protect,believing there to be no crime
Its more a case of preventing any Tom Dick or Paddy Cosgrave with a vandetta instigating investigations of what they believe not to be true
It seems the Times source has confirmed them right on that
No Crime,no charge
It really is that simple

Or they circled the wagons to protect somebody who confessed to wrong doing of a magnitude that required a Garda criminal investigation.

It's actually this simple.

jimmycrackcorm · 18-04-2021 6:47pm

jmcc wrote: »

"Tánaiste Leo Varadkar has been questioned by gardaí over the leaking of a confidential Government document, while detectives also took possession of the Fine Gael leader’s mobile phone after he handed it over in a major upscaling of the investigation." Sindo. 18/April/2021.

Varadkar was interviewed under caution on April 9th. His friend, O'Toole, was interviewed on April 5th. The pro-FG media has been pushing a non-story about an SF electoral database and has completely avoided the story about Varadkar being questioned under caution and his mobile phone being surrendered.

Regards...jmcc

Poor SF, always the media victim. Anything reported showing them in a bad light must be because of the big bad fake news media. Who are the pro-FG media you're talking about unless it's anyone who says anything negative about SF.?

You can't be referring to the independent after all when it refers to this.

Handing over a phone in an investigation, so upsetting. It really is the worst thing in the world.

18-04-2021 6:48pm

FrancieBrady wrote: »

Or they circled the wagons to protect somebody who confessed to wrong doing of a magnitude that required a Garda criminal investigation.

It's actually this simple.

Or the Gardaí are doing their job well,unhindered discovering no crime (according to the British Times source)
Simpler still

jimmycrackcorm · 18-04-2021 6:48pm

skimpydoo wrote: »

There are no good guys. Every party has its skeletons.

One party has actual skeletons buried from actual people.

18-04-2021 6:50pm

Marine Layer wrote: »

Or the Gardaí are doing their job well,unhindered discovering no crime (according to the British Times source)
Simpler still

It’s the hope that kills them.

jimmycrackcorm · 18-04-2021 6:52pm

FrancieBrady wrote: »

Or they circled the wagons to protect somebody who confessed to wrong doing of a magnitude that required a Garda criminal investigation.

Who confessed to a wrong doing?

Leo Varadkar story in The Village??? - Mod Notes and banned Users in OP updated 16/05

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