Relaxation of Restrictions, Part X Read OP For Mod Warnings

Penfailed · 15-04-2021 07:14PM

FintanMcluskey wrote: »

It’s the equivalent of talking about what colour to paint the Titanic when the lower decks were full of water

No, it's not. Back to not answering direct questions then?

Seweryn · 15-04-2021 07:16PM

I can's see how increasing minimum wage is going to help our economy going.

15-04-2021 07:25PM

Seweryn wrote: »

I can's see how increasing minimum wage is going to help our economy going.

It’s the greatest fallacy that has ever been sold to working people that it is bad for economic progress to keep wages low. Even the us is starting to understand this with the push towards a $15 minimum wage.

FintanMcluskey · 15-04-2021 07:26PM

Penfailed wrote: »

No, it's not. Back to not answering direct questions then?

Come out of it with this nonsense.

Its so far down the list of priorities right now.

There is over 400,000 with no work right now, many of those jobs are gone, they just don’t know it yet.

Anyway, to appease your pedantic questions, it’s a complex issue, low paid workers in Ireland pay the lowest income tax rates across the EU.

https://www.irishtimes.com/business/personal-finance/low-income-worker-ireland-has-smallest-tax-burden-for-low-paid-1.3633502?mode=amp

Ireland is one of the best places in the developed world for a low income worker to pay taxes, new figures show. Someone earning €18,000 a year pays an effective tax rate of less than 3 per cent in Ireland, according to the Irish Tax Institute. This compares with a rate of 26 per cent in Germany.

That may have changed slightly but if it does increase it’s only to increase the income tax rate of lower income earners

Leo’s lining us up for austerity

jusvi2001 · 15-04-2021 07:26PM

jusvi2001 wrote: »

I don't think our government have any political will or courage to take calculated risk and open up country. they will hide behind NPHET as they are doing now. What we are going to hear is... remember Christmas, hold firm, 4th wave coming, bla bla.....

Here we go again...NPHET has nothing else to say except lockdown...Last 12 months this is the only advice they give no matters how high or low rate of infection or hospital admissions.

https://m.independent.ie/news/risk-of-a-fourth-wave-of-covid-19-considerableif-restrictions-are-eased-too-quickly-nphet-to-warn-40305133.html

Silentcorner · 15-04-2021 07:31PM

Seweryn wrote: »

I can's see how increasing minimum wage is going to help our economy going.

It's pure populism.

Most of the people directly affected have lost their jobs...they are gone.

Trade will be down for some time if it ever returns...companies that hire at min wage will just hire fewer people, we are at the stage where the state should be preparing for a mass exodus of our youth, any one of them with ambition and means will go...the state can't afford the unemployment bill that is coming.

darem93 · 15-04-2021 07:39PM

Leo is out in full force today trying everything he can to do damage control knowing full well there could be potential backlash to the North's announcement.

He plays the media like a pro and while I hate him for it, no one can deny he is completely showing MM up.

Silentcorner · 15-04-2021 07:44PM

darem93 wrote: »

Leo is out in full force today trying everything he can to do damage control knowing full well there could be potential backlash to the North's announcement.

He plays the media like a pro and while I hate him for it, no one can deny he is completely showing MM up.

MM a leader with a divided aging collapsing party, so it's like punching a drunk old person.

Leo knows how stupid Irish people can be and how soft media are...was there any great movie quotes in this little announcement...quotes from ET or Titanic or anything like that?

Penfailed · 15-04-2021 07:46PM

FintanMcluskey wrote: »

Come out of it with this nonsense.

Its so far down the list of priorities right now.

There is over 400,000 with no work right now, many of those jobs are gone, they just don’t know it yet.

Anyway, to appease your pedantic questions, it’s a complex issue, low paid workers in Ireland pay the lowest income tax rates across the EU.

https://www.irishtimes.com/business/personal-finance/low-income-worker-ireland-has-smallest-tax-burden-for-low-paid-1.3633502?mode=amp

That may have changed slightly but if it does increase it’s only to increase the income tax rate of lower income earners

Leo’s lining us up for austerity

That's a lot of typing with still no answer.

Don't Chute! · 15-04-2021 07:47PM

The media really are sleepwalking through this ****ing thing. Just heard a snippet of Newstalk this afternoon and the presenter says, “after the break we’ll be asking chef Richard Corrigan what the hospitality sector can do to survive”.
Well being allowed to ****ing open and do some business would be a good start now wouldn’t it? I really think these people don’t get the consequences of all of this.

PTH2009 · 15-04-2021 07:47PM

darem93 wrote: »

Leo is out in full force today trying everything he can to do damage control knowing full well there could be potential backlash to the North's announcement.

He plays the media like a pro and while I hate him for it, no one can deny he is completely showing MM up.

Yeah it's very positive but then again he says a lot of ****e that never happens

This needs to be end of Lockdowns, no more big comebacks made by certain people and we need to truly live with the virus

FintanMcluskey · 15-04-2021 07:52PM

Penfailed wrote: »

That's a lot of typing with still no answer.

I’ll let the low paid workers decide.

Less tax or more gross on the pay slip

Swings and roundabouts

Penfailed · 15-04-2021 07:54PM

FintanMcluskey wrote: »

I’ll let the low paid workers decide.

Less tax or more gross on the pay slip

Swings and roundabouts

That's less typing and still no answer.

Silentcorner · 15-04-2021 07:58PM

Don't Chute! wrote: »

The media really are sleepwalking through this ****ing thing. Just heard a snippet of Newstalk this afternoon and the presenter says, “after the break we’ll be asking chef Richard Corrigan what the hospitality sector can do to survive”.
Well being allowed to ****ing open and do some business would be a good start now wouldn’t it? I really think these people don’t get the consequences of all of this.

This has been a ratings winner for the media industry...they don't want it to end.

It will stop when more and more of us tune out.

ingo1984 · 15-04-2021 07:59PM

What does leo mean when he said personal services like barbers can open without any 'additional obligations'? The distancing nonsense scrapped?

Silentcorner · 15-04-2021 07:59PM

ingo1984 wrote: »

What does leo mean when he said personal services like barbers can open without any 'additional obligations'? The distancing nonsense scrapped?

I would read that as vaccine passports.

ingo1984 · 15-04-2021 08:00PM

Silentcorner wrote: »

This has been a ratings winner for the media industry...they don't want it to end.

It will stop when more and more of us tune out.

The sooner people in power realise that hospitality businesses are not viable long term with any sort of restrictions in place the better.

Silentcorner · 15-04-2021 08:08PM

ingo1984 wrote: »

The sooner people in power realise that hospitality businesses are not viable long term with any sort of restrictions in place the better.

Look at our cabinet...it's arguably the weakest Cabinet in living memory, the Government parties are led by weak leaders.

The public mood needs to shift, like it has been over the last two months or so...our young especially have paid too high a price.

ingo1984 · 15-04-2021 08:16PM

Silentcorner wrote: »

Look at our cabinet...it's arguably the weakest Cabinet in living memory, the Government parties are led by weak leaders.

The public mood needs to shift, like it has been over the last two months or so...our young especially have paid too high a price.

Oh I fully agree, they are incompetent buffoons.

This fallacy of outdoor dining followed by reopening of indoor dining. What percentage of premises have outdoor seating? 10%? Now what percentage of those premises have enough outdoor capacity to turn a profit from having staff and kitchen operating? No point opening if you only have 10 seats outside and ain't gonna turn a profit.

Silentcorner · 15-04-2021 08:25PM

ingo1984 wrote: »

Oh I fully agree, they are incompetent buffoons.

This fallacy of outdoor dining followed by reopening of indoor dining. What percentage of premises have outdoor seating? 10%? Now what percentage of those premises have enough outdoor capacity to turn a profit from having staff and kitchen operating? No point opening if you only have 10 seats outside and ain't gonna turn a profit.

Well we had most pubs closed all last summer (unless they served food) which was blatantly unnecessary but we seem hell bent of being as cautious this year.

I'd imagine they pubs that can open would reduce the levels of Government financial support.

They aren't viable with any restrictions.

paddyisreal · 15-04-2021 08:31PM

All i can say is thank **** for Northern Ireland. Thought I would never say that. The pressure our boyos are under now is immense. I would expect outdoor dining by about the 2nd week in May as people might hold of going to the North if its only a week or two behind them.

dalyboy · 15-04-2021 08:53PM

Don't Chute! wrote: »

The media really are sleepwalking through this ****ing thing. Just heard a snippet of Newstalk this afternoon and the presenter says, “after the break we’ll be asking chef Richard Corrigan what the hospitality sector can do to survive”.
Well being allowed to ****ing open and do some business would be a good start now wouldn’t it? I really think these people don’t get the consequences of all of this.

These restauranteurs and hotel groups are their own worst enemy.
They’re prepared to write off May and June and only accept while begging to restart in July or August????
If I had a pub/restaurant/hotel I’d be looking to reopen tomorrow.

I even heard some hotels federation guy today on RTE earlier suggesting he’d want to be accepting American tourists again in September or October . Like WTF , pathetic. Thats a complete write off for their summer 2021 trade.

facehugger99 · 15-04-2021 08:53PM

Fantastic to see the European Commission pulling up this pathetic Government on the hotel quarantine issue.

https://www.rte.ie/news/coronavirus/2021/0415/1209980-covid-19-quarantine/

It appears all it took was a letter questioning the rights of our Government, under EU law, to restrict the movement of people.

Predictably, the brains-trust in Leinster House folded quicker than Superman on laundry day and have already pulled the quarantine requirement for vaccinated people.

I hope these clowns get challenges left, right and center now. They've already capitulated to that Israeli nurse and the guy trying to get back to his dying father.

Our Constitutional Rights aren't playthings to be suspended on the whim of a bunch of cowards in Government because Karen on Facebook is worried about 'de foreigners' - and it's time they were reminded of that.

Tenzor07 · 15-04-2021 08:58PM

dalyboy wrote: »

I even heard some hotels federation guy today on RTE earlier suggesting he’d want to be accepting American tourists again in September of October . Like WTF that’s a complete write off for their summer 2021 trades .

Summer season for international tourism into Ireland is a write-off at this stage, rightnow you have millions of vaccinated American's desperate to book a holiday somewhere they can just come and relax, you can bet Ireland isn't on their lists, between MHQ, the shutdown of Pubs/hotels/restaurants, lack of vaccinated people then they'll be looking to other European countries like Spain or Greece and even the UK for a vacation...

mightyreds · 15-04-2021 09:00PM

paddyisreal wrote: »

All i can say is thank **** for Northern Ireland. Thought I would never say that. The pressure our boyos are under now is immense. I would expect outdoor dining by about the 2nd week in May as people might hold of going to the North if its only a week or two behind them.

Thats it the announcement in 2 weeks will probably decide where i'll be holidaying, no point staying down south with everything closed.

KrustyUCC · 15-04-2021 09:00PM

uli84 wrote: »

Booked the hotel for June BH Monday, don't know what to do now - keep or cancel and book something in NI? Any chances?

I'm in the same book

Think we'll be cancelling as the government won't allow hospitality open for a Bank holiday weekend

FintanMcluskey · 15-04-2021 09:07PM

facehugger99 wrote: »

Fantastic to see the European Commission pulling up this pathetic Government on the hotel quarantine issue.

https://www.rte.ie/news/coronavirus/2021/0415/1209980-covid-19-quarantine/

It appears all it took was a letter questioning the rights of our Government, under EU law, to restrict the movement of people.

Predictably, the brains-trust in Leinster House folder quicker than Superman on laundry day and have already pulled the quarantine requirement for vaccinated people.

I hope these clowns get challenges left, right and center now. They've already capitulated to that Israeli nurse and the guy trying to get back to his dying father.

Our Constitutional Rights aren't playthings to be suspended on the whim of a bunch of cowards in Government because Karen on Facebook is worried about 'de foreigners' - and it's time they were reminded of that.

Absolutely delighted to see this utter bolix called out.

The big boys are finally asking questions.

Outside the EU the US are also going to be raising eyebrows

Most of our GDP comes from US companies and we’re telling them that can’t visit their own companies

About time the questions were asked

darem93 · 15-04-2021 09:12PM

The whole thing is really starting to unravel on the government now tbh.

This is the day they were dreading most, the day the North announced its roadmap ahead. While they have a clear set of dates, we have the Tanaiste throwing out vague timelines - which will no doubt be contradicted by the Taoiseach and the 10 or so other figures from NPHET and the government who can't seem to stay away from the media.

Then you also have MHQ falling apart at the seams, them seemingly doing a 180 on this idea of privileges for the vaccinated and the "outdoor summer" now perhaps becoming indoor much sooner than expected.

Not that I'm complaining about it to be fair, it's about time they had a rocket put up their backsides.

SilentGreenx32 · 15-04-2021 09:13PM

Silentcorner wrote: »

This has been a ratings winner for the media industry...they don't want it to end.

It will stop when more and more of us tune out.

Already the news is starting to slow down. We are getting the vaccines out and things are looking brighter and so the headlines are becoming less over the top and dwindling more and more

Loafing Oaf · 15-04-2021 09:20PM

dalyboy wrote: »

These restauranteurs and hotel groups are their own worst enemy.
They’re prepared to write off May and June and only accept while begging to restart in July or August????
If I had a pub/restaurant/hotel I’d be looking to reopen tomorrow.

SME owners are realists, they have no interest in being martyrs for the anti-restriction cause. If the government and NPHET have told them privately and publicly there is no chance of them opening before July then they just shrug their shoulders, sit back, draw their PUP and wait...

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Relaxation of Restrictions, Part X Read OP For Mod Warnings