Relaxation of Restrictions, Part X Read OP For Mod Warnings

15-04-2021 03:46PM

Silentcorner wrote: »

Or maybe the UK variant was just more transmissible at a time when viral infections are more transmissible...we'd have been in the same boat now if we went into level 3 at the start of Feb, we should be looking at dropping all restrictions (bar perhaps mass gatherings) as we are now out of our flu season where we were most vulnerable to viral surges...but here we are in level 5.

While central Europe only just started its flu season of course

Silentcorner · 15-04-2021 03:51PM

Deleted User wrote: »

While central Europe only just started its flu season of course

Weren't you the poster predicting huge excess death here not so long ago...ya...if I want to pay attention to your opinion I'd tune into Claire Byrne!!

Graham · 15-04-2021 03:57PM

Silentcorner wrote: »

Or maybe the UK variant was just more transmissible at a time when viral infections are more transmissible.

I guess it could be that, or it could be

the rate of transmission of the variant, known as B.1.1.7 was 71% higher than for other variants, and that it may also have a higher viral load. While previous variants have emerged without clear evidence of having a selective advantage, the report noted, the “emergence and subsequent dominance” of this new variant in a period of relatively high prevalence indicated that it does have a “selective advantage over other variants.”

Report from the UK’s New and Emerging Respiratory Virus Threats Advisory Group

Silentcorner · 15-04-2021 04:34PM

Graham wrote: »

I guess it could be that, or it could be

Report from the UK’s New and Emerging Respiratory Virus Threats Advisory Group

And I'll bet the variant that hits us next flu season will show the same or very similar data...sure as night follows day!

15-04-2021 04:38PM

Silentcorner wrote: »

Weren't you the poster predicting huge excess death here not so long ago...ya...if I want to pay attention to your opinion I'd tune into Claire Byrne!!

No

gozunda · 15-04-2021 04:45PM

[Deleted User] wrote: »

Yes, it's not really good to compare the US with Europe since the restrictions here have been a lot more draconian and have lasted a lot longer.

And, of course, there were states that never had any restrictions.

And then of course the US has had one of the highest covid death rates in the World. Thankfully with vaccinations there that's now decreasing.

It would certainly make you think ...

ceadaoin. · 15-04-2021 04:48PM

gozunda wrote: »

And then of course the US has had one of the highest covid death rates in the World. Thankfully with vaccinations there that's now decreasing.

They are 14th in the world in deaths per capita. Most of the countries ahead of them had way stricter lockdowns and some are still under restrictions now.

lawred2 · 15-04-2021 04:54PM

Doctor Jimbob wrote: »

And some of the highest death rates in the US were in states with harsher restrictions.

NY and California are probably America's most cosmopolitan and internationally integrated states..

Probably makes sense that those suffer the greatest outbreaks.. Which then necessitated the harsher restrictions...

Silentcorner · 15-04-2021 05:01PM

lawred2 wrote: »

NY and California are probably America's most cosmopolitan and internationally integrated states..

Probably makes sense that those suffer the greatest outbreaks.. Which then necessitated the harsher restrictions...

But then Florida has one of the highest levels of the most vulnerable demographic and dropped all restrictions 9 months ago...

lawred2 · 15-04-2021 05:03PM

Silentcorner wrote: »

But then Florida has one of the highest levels of the most vulnerable demographic and dropped all restrictions 9 months ago...

warmer climate with more outdoor living?

gozunda · 15-04-2021 05:03PM

ceadaoin. wrote: »

They are 14th in the world in deaths per capita. Most of the countries ahead of them had way stricter lockdowns and some are still under restrictions now.

The US is atm. As detailed that has been helped by their rapid rollout of vaccines. Considering their high case and death rate - they had little other manoeuvre room to do otherwise at this point.

Previously the US was ringing the bell at the top of the list.

The majority of countries in the top 10 of that list are in Eastern Europe atm and are dealing the aftermath of the spread of the highly contagious virus variant first found in Britain there. They have generaly lower vaccinations rates as well

And as pointed out - its not valid to compare countries such as Czechia and its restrictions with the **** show of - on again - off again political / governor led individual US state restrictions w

Silentcorner · 15-04-2021 05:07PM

lawred2 wrote: »

warmer climate with more outdoor living?

Ya part of it...certainly.

I think NY with it's Northern Climate and population density would be particularly vulnerable...

But the differences in climate between California that had severe (by US standards) lock downs and Florida with no lock downs is particularly telling...

In very warm climates every one goes indoors during the very hot weather which I think may have something to do with it...I'm willing to bet their flu season trajectory is a lot different to NY.

ceadaoin. · 15-04-2021 05:14PM

lawred2 wrote: »

NY and California are probably America's most cosmopolitan and internationally integrated states..

Probably makes sense that those suffer the greatest outbreaks.. Which then necessitated the harsher restrictions...

ny was caught off guard at the start of the pandemic and a disastrous nursing home policy caused even more deaths. But the worst of California's outbreak occurred well into the harsh restrictions, like a year almost. Lockdown didn't seem to do much to prevent it

ceadaoin. · 15-04-2021 05:15PM

gozunda wrote: »

They are atm. As detailed that has been helped by their rapid rollout of vaccines. Considering their high case and death rate - they had little other manoeuvre room to do otherwise at this point.

Previously the US was ringing the bell at the top of the list.

The majority of countries in the top 10 of that list are in Eastern Europe atm

And as pointed out - its not valid to compare countries such as Czechia restrictions with the **** show of - on again - off again political / governor led individual US state restrictions.

No they were never the top in deaths per capita.

gozunda · 15-04-2021 05:19PM

ceadaoin. wrote: »

ny was caught off guard at the start of the pandemic and a disastrous nursing home policy caused even more deaths. But the worst of California's outbreak occurred well into the harsh restrictions, like a year almost. Lockdown didn't seem to do much to prevent it

They two major outbreaks occurred after the Govenor of California started to lift restrictions.

ceadaoin. · 15-04-2021 05:30PM

gozunda wrote: »

They two major outbreaks occurred after the Govenor of California started to lift restrictions.

They didn't. That's just blatantly untrue. Their surge occurred in December and early january. The stay at home order was lifted Jan 26th this year after being in place continously since march 2020. Prior to that restaurants and bars were all shut down. As were schools

Yes prior to December they had brought in some sort of color coded system, but very few counties met the conditions to be able to reopen anything

gozunda · 15-04-2021 05:35PM

ceadaoin. wrote: »

No they were never the top in deaths per capita.

I never said they were at the top btw. I said they had one of the highest covid death rates in the World and as such were ringing the bell (at the top)

See ~ deaths per million people by country:

https://ourworldindata.org/explorers/coronavirus-data-explorer?zoomToSelection=true&time=2019-12-31..latest&pickerSort=asc&pickerMetric=location&Metric=Confirmed+deaths&Interval=Cumulative&Relative+to+Population=true&Align+outbreaks=false&country=AUS~AUT~BEL~CAN~CYP~CZE~DNK~EST~FIN~FRA~DEU~GRC~ISL~IRL~ISR~ITA~JPN~KOR~LVA~LTU~LUX~MLT~NLD~NZL~NOR~PRT~SMR~SGP~SVK~SVN~ESP~SWE~CHE~TWN~USA~GBR~EuropeanUnion

robbiezero · 15-04-2021 05:43PM

lawred2 wrote: »

warmer climate with more outdoor living?

They mustn't have a lot of changing rooms.

gozunda · 15-04-2021 05:54PM

ceadaoin. wrote: »

They didn't. That's just blatantly untrue. Their surge occurred in December and early january. The stay at home order was lifted Jan 26th this year after being in place continously since march 2020. Prior to that restaurants and bars were all shut down. As were schools

Yes prior to December they had brought in some sort of color coded system, but very few counties met the conditions to be able to reopen anything

What is it that everything is untrue? You can check it out yourself.

In mid October 2020 many countries in California saw a rollback of restrictions which were only halted in late November when new case numbers were rapidly rising

Newsom’s so-called emergency brake will halt reopening plans and put almost all of the state back under the strictest set of rules that halt indoor worship and force most indoor business to close or operate at a fraction of their capacity and keep most schools closed, including the nation’s second-largest school district in Los Angeles.

https://apnews.com/article/gavin-newsom-california-coronavirus-pandemic-57c512f74f73f628ed5eee52ae62ced7

Despite pulling the brake - the rate of infection continued to climb well into December and January when the most noticeable peaks of infection occurred.

Additional restrictions were even imposed on December 3 When Gov. Gavin Newsom announced a new stay at home order for California that would bring back many of the restrictions from the previous March.

https://abc7news.com/timeline-of-coronavirus-us-covid-19-bay-area-sf/6047519/

Penfailed · 15-04-2021 05:59PM

FintanMcluskey wrote: »

Leo on Newstalk talking about increasing minimum wage

No discussion whatsoever about 400k + out of work long term

Easy promise to increase minimum wage when nobody is actually working

Close businesses for a year and then force them to pay higher wages when they do open

Are you against the idea of increasing the minimum wage?

Gael23 · 15-04-2021 06:00PM

Hairdressers in the north open on Friday. Non essential retail the following week and indoor dining from the end of May.

Our economy is destroyed for a generation of we don’t speed up

gozunda · 15-04-2021 06:06PM

Doctor Jimbob wrote: »

Habit shops?

# Nuns are people too :pac:

Penfailed · 15-04-2021 06:20PM

Silentcorner wrote: »

So why aren't we opening up?

We are...slowly.

dalyboy · 15-04-2021 06:21PM

Gael23 wrote: »

Hairdressers in the north open on Friday. Non essential retail the following week and indoor dining from the end of May.

Our economy is destroyed for a generation of we don’t speed up

Our economy will neither reopen nor practically function while NPHET rule by proxy. All we can do is witness it’s further collapse.

Penfailed · 15-04-2021 06:25PM

PTH2009 wrote: »

Unlicensed premises ? I imagine there for members of certain groups and would not be the jolly places you'd expect

I'd imagine they are cafes and coffee shops.

Beanybabog · 15-04-2021 06:33PM

If the announced changes come into effect over the next couple of weeks, after 26th April are we in level 4. Or is it still level 5? I can’t see much difference except for the outdoor dining.... I’m trying to get a passport and the office is closed until level 4 so the distinction between level 5 minus and level 4 plus is important!

RGS · 15-04-2021 06:37PM

Beanybabog wrote: »

If the announced changes come into effect over the next couple of weeks, after 26th April are we in level 4. Or is it still level 5? I can’t see much difference except for the outdoor dining.... I’m trying to get a passport and the office is closed until level 4 so the distinction between level 5 minus and level 4 plus is important!

Hard to know what they will call it. It will probably be level 5 minus a bit.

Penfailed · 15-04-2021 06:44PM

LineOfBeauty wrote: »

For Northern Ireland on their post June 1st return of indoor licensed and unlicensed premises, do people think that's caveated with things like limited capacity and table service, or just a straight up return to normal?

Now brought forward to an indicative date of the 24th of May. They said there will be 'mitigation measures in place' so, not a straight up return to normal.

FintanMcluskey · 15-04-2021 07:00PM

Penfailed wrote: »

Are you against the idea of increasing the minimum wage?

It’s the equivalent of talking about what colour to paint the Titanic when the lower decks were full of water

uli84 · 15-04-2021 07:04PM

Booked the hotel for June BH Monday, don't know what to do now - keep or cancel and book something in NI? Any chances?

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