Maritime News Thread

knucklehead6 · 14-04-2021 12:08pm

Dohvolle wrote: »

Hard to understand how they intend to justify this in maritime court given that (presumably) one of their own Pilots was in charge of the vessel at the time.
Thing is, because of how long it was closed, shipping companies may have realised it is not that much more hassle to round the horn instead.

The Ever Given's route was Tanjung to Rotterdam.

If you go via Cape town the distance is 11727 NM and at a speed of 10 knots it'd take about 49 days.

Via the Suez its 35 days and 8319 NM

So its almost a 50% increase in distance and an extra month at sea per return run, going via cape town. I can't see too many ship owners taking that additional outlay.

Tabnabs · 14-04-2021 1:03pm

Dohvolle wrote: »

For unitised yes, but you can see more tankers going the long way. They usually end up at anchor anyway waiting for the price to go up/down before delivery. May as well be at sea.

Very few crude oil tankers will use the Suez Canal as their draft is far too deep when loaded. Anchoring or drifting to allow the price to go up is an exceptionally rare occurrence with cargo unusually being bought and sold during the voyage itself with the arrival date firmly in mind.

Widdensushi · 14-04-2021 1:58pm

knucklehead6 wrote: »

The Ever Given's route was Tanjung to Rotterdam.

If you go via Cape town the distance is 11727 NM and at a speed of 10 knots it'd take about 49 days.

Via the Suez its 35 days and 8319 NM

So its almost a 50% increase in distance and an extra month at sea per return run, going via cape town. I can't see too many ship owners taking that additional outlay.

I agree with you, but evergiven would average 20 knots so that alters the maths, how much fuel would she use in a month running at over 20knots with 80000 horse power?

knucklehead6 · 14-04-2021 2:05pm

Widdensushi wrote: »

I agree with you, but evergiven would average 20 knots so that alters the maths, how much fuel would she use in a month running at over 20knots with 80000 horse power?

Not sure about fuel, but if her cruise speed is 20 knots then the Suez route is about 17 days

Cape route is 24 1/2 days.

Still adds on a fortnight to a round trip.

I'm getting the estimated distance times from this site.

https://classic.searoutes.com/routing?speed=13&panama=true&suez=true&kiel=true&rivers=block&roads=block

Tabnabs · 14-04-2021 2:06pm

Widdensushi wrote: »

I agree with you, but evergiven would average 20 knots so that alters the maths, how much fuel would she use in a month running at over 20knots with 80000 horse power?

It's not just fuel, the ship is on a daily charter rate of tens of thousands of dollars, and all the other costs association with running the ship (crew, stores, wear and tear etc.) plus the waters off South Africa are prone to 'rogue waves' which can do considerable damage and generate lots of paperwork.

Tabnabs · 14-04-2021 2:27pm

Seacor Power has capsized in bad weather conditions off the US coast.

One on the left.

RadioRetro · 14-04-2021 3:29pm

Dohvolle wrote: »

Any casualties? Why move a jackup in weather?

Crew of 18, six rescued but 12 missing.... https://www.theguardian.com/us-news/2021/apr/14/louisiana-commercial-lift-vessel-capsize-rescue-coast-guard?CMP=Share_AndroidApp_Other

Green is Growing · 14-04-2021 9:25pm

Dohvolle wrote: »

Hard to understand how they intend to justify this in maritime court given that (presumably) one of their own Pilots .

Again, from what I read the pilots essentially **** off and do their own thing once on board including setting up a little tourist shop to sell things like magnets and other gimmicks, get their bribes of cigarettes, harrass female crew members, and as one seafarer on another form put it "attempt to steal everything that isn't nailed down to the ship".

At the end of the day, it's the captain of the ship that all has all the responsibility on their shoulders for whatever goes wrong. The canal bye-laws make this very clear for obvious reasons (liability etc).

Would like to hear from any actual mariners on here that have actually passed through the canal. Everything I'm saying is third hand info.

Storm 10 · 15-04-2021 9:41am

Green is Growing wrote: »

Again, from what I read the pilots essentially **** off and do their own thing once on board including setting up a little tourist shop to sell things like magnets and other gimmicks, get their bribes of cigarettes, harrass female crew members, and as one seafarer on another form put it "attempt to steal everything that isn't nailed down to the ship".

At the end of the day, it's the captain of the ship that all has all the responsibility on their shoulders for whatever goes wrong. The canal bye-laws make this very clear for obvious reasons (liability etc).

Would like to hear from any actual mariners on here that have actually passed through the canal. Everything I'm saying is third hand info.

Funny enough I found an old Ships Monthly and I was reading a Captains report on going through the Suez Canal, what you say is almost word for word he said they are crooks of the worst kind no interest in navigation in the Canal in his case he had two Pilots on board who were not happy with his gifts of cash etc that he gave them at the end of the Canal and they let him know this, he did not think they had suitable qualification's for Pilots so he never left the bridge he also said the charges for the Canal are crazy, this was from a few years ago.

CJhaughey · 17-04-2021 5:49pm

The Suez is Marlboro country for sure.

Tabnabs · 21-04-2021 11:55am

Explosion on a ferry in China.

According to Chinese media, smoke was seen coming out of a truck loaded on the ferry. After the ship returned to the port, all passengers were evacuated as staff attempted to contain the fire on the sealed cargo deck, prior to the explosion.

Watch til the end for the subsequent explosions.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=XI9TYTkg2l4

knucklehead6 · 21-04-2021 11:58am

Indonesian Submarine Missing

https://www.reuters.com/world/asia-pacific/indonesian-navy-checking-submarine-after-failure-report-back-exercise-2021-04-21/

odyssey06 · 22-04-2021 3:38pm

Maybe not quite Maritime but wasn't sure where to put it.

The Liffey is to get a 'sweeper' vessel to collect rubbish...
https://www.thejournal.ie/liffey-sweeper-rubbish-collection-dublin-5417315-Apr2021/

Sadly it doesn't appear to have any offensive weaponry to tackle the dumpers at source *ahem*

Mefistofelino · 22-04-2021 4:14pm

When I first saw the picture, I thought "Who'd throw a goal into the river?"

AndyBoBandy · 22-04-2021 4:18pm

^^ I've known Jimmy Murray since I was a kid, and that man genuinely loves that river, and all things related.

ohnonotgmail · 22-04-2021 4:20pm

odyssey06 wrote: »

Maybe not quite Maritime but wasn't sure where to put it.

The Liffey is to get a 'sweeper' vessel to collect rubbish...
https://www.thejournal.ie/liffey-sweeper-rubbish-collection-dublin-5417315-Apr2021/

Sadly it doesn't appear to have any offensive weaponry to tackle the dumpers at source *ahem*

plenty of room to mount a 7.62 on that.

Widdensushi · 25-04-2021 12:23pm

knucklehead6 wrote: »

Indonesian Submarine Missing

https://www.reuters.com/world/asia-pacific/indonesian-navy-checking-submarine-after-failure-report-back-exercise-2021-04-21/

https://elpais.com/internacional/2021-04-24/indonesia-declara-hundido-un-submarino-con-53-tripulantes-tras-hallar-restos-en-la-zona-de-rastreo.html?ssm=FB_CM&utm_source=Facebook#Echobox=1619276992
giving up hope having found parts of torpedoes and prayer mats and exceeded the maximum time they could survive under water, irrelevant but I was surprised to read that Indonesia is the country with the most Muslims in the world

neris · 27-04-2021 10:10pm

Containers falling off ships at highest numbers

https://www.bloomberg.com/news/articles/2021-04-26/shipping-containers-plunge-overboard-as-supply-race-raises-risks?sref=RN5y10oa

Tabnabs · 28-04-2021 11:54am

What happens when one big ship ploughs into another.

Media has reported that the anchored oil tanker A Symphony (Goodwood Ship Management) was hit by general cargo ship Sea Justice. The tanker’s hull is said to be breached portside in the ballast tank area,

AndyBoBandy · 28-04-2021 12:38pm

Of all the ships you could've been hit by, you're hit by one called Sea Justice!!

ohnonotgmail · 28-04-2021 1:37pm

It is amazing that you can hit something that big when it is at anchor.

AndyBoBandy · 28-04-2021 2:04pm

ohnonotgmail wrote: »

It is amazing that you can hit something that big when it is at anchor.

The guy driving the Ever Given managed to hit 2 continents!!!!!

Tabnabs · 28-04-2021 2:16pm

ohnonotgmail wrote: »

It is amazing that you can hit something that big when it is at anchor.

This happens more than you would imagine. In this case the visibility was very poor and likely a significant factor in the chain of events.

ohnonotgmail · 28-04-2021 2:18pm

Tabnabs wrote: »

This happens more than you would imagine. In this case the visibility was very poor and likely a significant factor in the chain of events.

yeah but dont they have collision alert systems onboard? It is hardly like they are relying solely on the Mk1 Eyeball.

Tabnabs · 28-04-2021 2:22pm

ohnonotgmail wrote: »

yeah but dont they have collision alert systems onboard? It is hardly like they are relying solely on the Mk1 Eyeball.

Literally the most important piece of lookout equipment on the ship.

In a busy anchorage the alarms can be sounding continuously as you try to locate a suitable spot to drop the hook in, or thread your way through the fleet to open water.

Speed was the killer for them, if that impact is anything to go by, and Rule 19 is very clear on that subject.

ohnonotgmail · 28-04-2021 2:30pm

Tabnabs wrote: »

Literally the most important piece of lookout equipment on the ship.

In a busy anchorage the alarms can be sounding continuously as you try to locate a suitable spot to drop the hook in, or thread your way through the fleet to open water.

Speed was the killer for them, if that impact is anything to go by, and Rule 19 is very clear on that subject.

that is a proper crunch. it looks like it has been rammed.

Atlantic Dawn · 29-04-2021 6:23pm

Dohvolle wrote: »

MV Alta is on fire, apparently.
https://www.corkbeo.ie/news/local-news/breaking-fire-services-attend-blaze-20495666

Odd that a wreck abandoned by its crew almost 2 years ago, and aground for well over a year would suddenly burst into flames...

It was in relatively good condition inside with lots of stuff that would burn. Scum must be getting that bit fitter nowadays.

whisky_galore · 29-04-2021 7:22pm

Atlantic Dawn wrote: »

It was in relatively good condition inside with lots of stuff that would burn. Scum must be getting that bit fitter nowadays.

The devil finds work for idle hands.

Risoc · 29-04-2021 7:52pm

I wonder if there’s more to be said for no intervention by the fire brigade here.

Although the priority is probably to ensure there’s no scummy arsonist stuck onboard.

Atlantic Dawn · 02-05-2021 1:23am

Ever Given is still being held in the Suez, surely some international organistion should be brokering a deal to release it?

Tabnabs · 14-05-2021 2:08pm

Terrific work by the the standby boat and anchor handler who were in the vicinity and first on the scene.

https://www.rte.ie/news/regional/2021/0514/1221566-cork-coastguard-rescue/

Jim Gazebo · 14-05-2021 2:56pm

Dohvolle wrote: »

Safe to say, if you are gonna get into trouble in the water anywhere, that's one of the safest places to do it.
Waterford and Shannon Helis less than 20 mins away.
Ballycotton, Crosshaven and Courtmac Lifeboat nearby.
Navy always have a ship on short notice to sail from Haulbowline, if there isn't already one working the SW approaches.
Crosshaven coastguard have a Rhib unit.
And about 8 various ships working the area at present fitted with all weather over the horizon daughter craft to pick casualty out of the water, and permanently fitted firefighting system to hose you down too.
Granted the Trawler sank after its fire, but without any injury as far as I heard so far.
Thats an excellent result in my books.
Boats can be replaced.

No injuries. I know a few lads out there, was a quick abandon job. Very fast response by everyone on scene and nice to see a happy ending.

ohnonotgmail · 14-05-2021 2:57pm

They were lucky with the weather conditions as well.

scotchy · 16-05-2021 6:00pm

Yakov P. Golyadkin wrote: »

https://www.rte.ie/news/dublin/2021/0327/1206508-sailor-repatriation/

Most of the crew have left.

Sitting on Dun Laoghaire pier at moment watching this sail out of the harbour. Wonder if it's gone for good.

neris · 19-05-2021 2:16pm

scotchy wrote: »

Sitting on Dun Laoghaire pier at moment watching this sail out of the harbour. Wonder if it's gone for good.

Afloat had an article on it a few days ago saying the boat had been repaired and was heading back to spain

Tabnabs · 24-05-2021 2:24pm

More like old news, but a report and footage from the first car ferry to arrive into Rosslare.

For the first time a car ferry service at Rosslare Harbour will allow passengers to drive between ship and shore.

Following an eight month period of hard work, the first drive on-drive off car ferry service begins at Rosslare Harbour in County Wexford. The British Railways’ steamer St David arrives from Fishguard in Wales carrying 63 cars and one motorcycle.

The first car ashore is driven by John Freeman from London. Once vehicles leave the ship, they are driven onto a moveable ramp and then through a subway under Rosslare Pier. Drivers continues along a newly built concrete road to the mainland where they pass through customs.

Previously cars had been lifted off the steamers by crane and brought to the mainland on railway wagons.

Passengers travelling to Fishguard on the return journey are also using the car ferry for the first time.

Initially, there will be two steamers a day, increasing to three ships a day in each direction during the summer. 25,000 tourist cars have already been booked on the route.

The official opening at Rosslare is to take place on 11 June 1965.

An RTÉ News report broadcast on 24 May 1965. The footage shown here is mute.

Video in link. https://www.rte.ie/archives/2020/0417/1132069-new-car-ferry-service/

Atlantic Dawn · 24-05-2021 7:33pm

I see Ever Given is still detained in the Suez, latest is they are blaming the canal for allowing them through in bad weather with no tugs, apparently a decision will be made on Sunday as to what happens next.

Lawyers representing Shoei Kisen argued that the SCA had been at fault for allowing the ship to enter the waterway amid bad weather, Ahmed Abu Ali, a member of the legal team, told Reuters, adding that the authority failed to prove any fault by the ship.

Recordings from the ship that were presented to the court showed disagreements between SCA pilots and its control centre over whether it should enter the canal, Abu Ali said.

Lawyers for Shoei Kisen said the ship should have been accompanied by at least two tug boats suitable for the ship's size "but this didn't happen", he added.

The court was expected to issue a decision on the case on Sunday, lawyers and witnesses said.

https://www.reuters.com/world/ship-owner-says-suez-canal-was-fault-over-ever-given-grounding-lawyer-2021-05-22/

Tabnabs · 25-05-2021 11:49am

Brand new container ship MV X-Press Pearl has been on fire for six days now, off the coast of Sri Lanka. Her cargo of 1,486 containers includes 25 tonnes of Nitric Acid. All 25 crew members have thankfully been safely evacuated.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=bgpS6gu-LLg

Ubbquittious · 26-05-2021 6:04pm

Some pics from protest in Cork today

Ubbquittious · 26-05-2021 8:05pm

Dohvolle wrote: »

I can't see anything.

Video:

https://vimeo.com/555291130?utm_source=email&utm_medium=vimeo-cliptranscode-201504&utm_campaign=28749

neris · 27-05-2021 5:58pm

I would have thought the trawlers would have been better off blocking the entrance to cork harbour in the roches point area then being tied up to the dock

Odelay · 27-05-2021 6:27pm

neris wrote: »

I would have thought the trawlers would have been better off blocking the entrance to cork harbour in the roches point area then being tied up to the dock

It’s their first protest. They won’t want to obstruct other mariners doing their job, just showing that they can organise themselves for a protest.

Atlantic Dawn · 27-05-2021 7:28pm

Some of the new rules are crazy, they want Irish trawlers to have their already ice packed catch weighed on the pier with all ice removed, then repack with ice, it's a health hazard and would take many hours to do each time, this rule only applies to Irish registered boats in Ireland. RSW trawlers will have to remove the water from the fish and then weigh them, this will damage the fish. Meanwhile Spanish trawlers unload their fish in Irish ports directly on to Spanish registered trucks with little or no checks whatsoever with no need to de-ice.

More here...
https://www.irishexaminer.com/news/arid-40288877.html

Ubbquittious · 27-05-2021 9:01pm

Atlantic Dawn wrote: »

Some of the new rules are crazy, they want Irish trawlers to have their already ice packed catch weighed on the pier with all ice removed, then repack with ice, it's a health hazard and would take many hours to do each time, this rule only applies to Irish registered boats in Ireland. RSW trawlers will have to remove the water from the fish and then weigh them, this will damage the fish. Meanwhile Spanish trawlers unload their fish in Irish ports directly on to Spanish registered trucks with little or no checks whatsoever with no need to de-ice.

More here...
https://www.irishexaminer.com/news/arid-40288877.html

How did things end up going this way? and what happens with this penalty point system they've been harping on about? If this is a new law they're creating how come the Spanish are exempt?

Widdensushi · 27-05-2021 10:11pm

Ubbquittious wrote: »

How did things end up going this way? and what happens with this penalty point system they've been harping on about? If this is a new law they're creating how come the Spanish are exempt?

There's a requirement to have a penalty point system, different countries interpretation is totally different, one of the big issues with the Irish one is that if you are charged with an offence by the sfpa, you have to go before the courts and fight your case, whether you win or lose you have to go before three people appointed by the sfpa, they can decide you were guilty and it can lead firstly to your licence being completely worthless or to even completely confiscated longer term. Individual s have been subject to vendetta s by certain sfpa officers, they have it rigged so that they can decide to wrongfully arrest boats and Skippers and put them out of business without them ever being convicted. That is only the start of where the Irish system is rigged against fishermen compared to other eu countries. We need a points system similar to the other eu countries.

Widdensushi · 28-05-2021 4:40pm

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Ongoing situation since this skipper was threatening a smaller irish boat during the night, coastguard, navy etc all contacted, they are monitoring the situation, the line on the image is the 12 mile limit, he is not allowed inside it but they have been coming further and further inside recently

Widdensushi · 29-05-2021 8:54am

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Screenshot_20210529_084145_com.astrapaging.vf.jpgThe dots that are more apart is where he was shooting his gear at a higher speed the night before, the closer dots is because he was hauling his gear at a slower speed, you can clearly see that he hauled his Western gear and didn't haul 3 miles of his Eastern gear, letting it to ghost fish and letting the plastic in the sea

Widdensushi · 29-05-2021 8:57am

This is the the screenshot I meant to post above, I don't seem to be able to add it above

neris · 30-05-2021 5:13pm

looks like the spanish think they can go where they want

https://afloat.ie/port-news/fishing/item/50488-bantry-bay-incident-involved-spanish-trawler-inside-irish-12-mile-limit-says-sfpa

Atlantic Dawn · 30-05-2021 5:49pm

neris wrote: »

looks like the spanish think they can go where they want

https://afloat.ie/port-news/fishing/item/50488-bantry-bay-incident-involved-spanish-trawler-inside-irish-12-mile-limit-says-sfpa

I suppose it's only a matter of time before EU vessels take full control of policing the seas around Ireland...

https://afloat.ie/port-news/navy/item/50490-naval-service-shortages-sees-ireland-having-to-rely-on-eu-ship-to-patrol-fishing-waters

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