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tricky D

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http://www.irishtimes.com/newspaper/ireland/2012/1005/1224324909895.html

Opposition grows to drilling rig off south Dublin coast

A Providence Resources image shows where the exploratory drill will take place, 6km off Dalkey Island. Some in the business community have welcomed the move

JOE HUMPHREYS

A DRILLING rig to establish the scale of oil and gas reserves off the Dublin coast is due to be in place within six months after the approval of an exploratory foreshore licence.

Dublin-based Providence Resources has said it plans to have the rig in place 6km off Dalkey Island on the Kish Bank Basin in the first few months of 2013.

As local objections mount to the plan, however, Tánaiste Eamon Gilmore last night backed calls for a public inquiry into any future application by the developers.

“The licence is for a once-off exploratory drill,” the Dún Laoghaire TD stressed, adding if a commercial licence was sought at a future stage, “I would expect a public inquiry to be held”.

The granting of the licence by the Department of the Environment was criticised yesterday by conservationists and some local politicians. However, sections of the business community in Dún Laoghaire have welcomed the potential investment for the area.

An Taisce, one of the objectors to the plan, said it believed insufficient environmental assessments were carried out as part of the application. “This is the first time that a licence with potential major threats of pollution so close to the shoreline has been granted,” it said.

“Overall, the assessment of the potential impacts of this exploration and drilling licence were not adequately evaluated to ensure the protection of a number of species and habitats. The precautionary principle should have been applied until the concerns voiced by An Taisce and others were addressed.”

People Before Profit TD Richard Boyd Barrett said the planned drill was too close to shore. He cited the example of Norway where “there is no drilling allowed within the foreshore”, or a distance of 25km from the coast.

Lobby group Protect Our Coast, which is planning to hold campaign meetings in the bay area in the coming weeks, said it was “shocked” by the decision, while the Green Party’s spokesman on planning, Tom Kivlehan, called on Mr Gilmore “to use his influence at Cabinet to set up a public inquiry into the proposed drilling”.

However, Don McManus, who chairs the Dún Laoghaire Business Association, said he believed “there is an awful lot of scaremongering” about the issue.

“I don’t think we have a right as citizens not to pursue this to the nth degree. It would be commercial suicide as a country to turn our backs on this at a time when we are importing fuel all the way from Russia.”

While the issue has sparked heated debate in the port town, and most of the 700 submissions made on the licence had been objections, Mr McManus said he had experienced “no backlash” over his stance. “We find some of the politicians utilise issues as a soap box and maybe would not have the heart and soul of the people at the core of their objections,” Mr McManus added.

Providence said it was now in the process of procuring a survey vessel that will map a seabed area of 3sq km. This process is due to take about 15 days.

The rig will then be built, allowing for exploratory drilling over 30-60 days. The precise scale of the rig has yet to be revealed but, based on international comparisons, it would be at least 200ft high.

The firm says drilling will reach a depth of 5,000-11,000ft, with the cuttings to be discharged at the seabed, something fishermen fear may disturb local habitats.

If oil or gas reserves are found, an application for a commercial licence will have to be made. While the company has not ruled out building a pipeline in that scenario, it may opt instead for shipping any reserves away by tanker.

Providence has in recent weeks spoken to local yacht clubs, scuba diving clubs and other community groups about its plans, and a spokesman said it remained “open to approaches” to discuss the project further. A 500m safety zone is to be set up around the rig.

Dalkey is one of six Irish locations being explored by Providence with partner companies as part of what it says is an investment of up to $500 million. The most advanced of these, Barryroe, off Co Cork, was identified earlier this year as commercially viable.

Tabnabs

Earlier today the Superior Court of Judicature granted NML Capital Limited, a commercial creditor of the Republic of Argentina, an injunction and interim preservation order against the sailing ship ARA Libertad, which arrived Monday at Tema port.

http://www.ghanaweb.com/GhanaHomePage/NewsArchive/artikel.php?ID=252223

LiamoSail

The country's in massive debt, there's mass unemployment and with the potential for a wee gold mine off south Dublin, our tainiste and a state body seem more concerned about species and habitats.

These Eco warriors would want to cop the **** on and get their priorities in order. I'm not saying ignore the environmental concerns, but were hardly in a position to be able to afford the prioritising of a few birds and fish over jobs and economic growth

And more importantly, I'd ****ing love a job on a ship I could travel to on the dart

Storm 10

Rescue 115 helicopter due to do a flypast Galway Docks this evening to celebrate the naming of new Galway City Lifeboat

tricky D

Ireland 'close to oil billions'

http://www.bbc.com/news/uk-northern-ireland-19889948

By Andy Martin
BBC Ireland reporter

Barryroe off County Cork could yield 280m barrels, Providence says
Continue reading the main story

Providence Resources Plc, an Irish and UK company, has confirmed its Barryroe site, 30 miles off the Cork coast, should yield 280m barrels of oil.

The money generated will depend on the market value at the time of extraction and on licensing arrangements.

Providence chief executive Tony O'Reilly Jr said this was the beginning of an Irish oil industry.

He described it as a huge success story, following decades of exploration around the Irish coast.

"The great news today is that Barryroe is on a path towards development," he told BBC Northern Ireland's Good Morning Ulster.

Mr O'Reilly said more work needed to be done and issues such as taxation revenue, security of supply and jobs needed to be addressed.

But he said: "What we are announcing is the beginning of that (oil) industry.

"We hope there is a renaissance of interest by international companies who need to come to Ireland and help us to exploit our natural resources. We cannot do it alone."

Mr O'Reilly said the oil recovery rate at Barryroe had exceeded expectations and, with oil at about $100 per barrel (77 euros; £62.5) it offered "a lot of value".


He was also swift to reject critics' suggestions that Ireland would have little role in the industry and oil would not be landed there.

"We intend to utilise the structure of Ireland. We have been very clear in that regard. It makes good business sense for us. It is mad that we would take it elsewhere," he said.

Exxon Mobil
Providence intends to attract multi-national energy giants to "farm in" to its licence, which it bought from the Irish government for a nominal fee.

The company has already secured the expertise of the world's leading oil multi-national, Exxon Mobil, to explore its site at Drumquin.

However, campaigners have said that Ireland's relaxed laws with regard to its natural resources ought to be overhauled.

Ireland takes 25% of all profits, rising to 40% depending on the volume extracted.

Ireland's Energy Minister Pat Rabbitte concedes that the take is much lower than in the UK, or Norway, both of which have much greater resources of oil and gas.

But he says that the rate must remain attractive to foreign companies as Ireland does not have the expertise or revenue to exploit the reserves itself.

Others point out that all exploration costs can be off-set against any tax liable ones, and that a claim can go back as far as 25 years.

Providence is believed to have spent £0.5bn exploring Irish waters.

Campaigners like William Hederman, of Irishoilandgas.com, have warned that the oil from Barryroe may never be landed in Ireland, but instead taken for refinement to Europe or beyond, meaning fewer jobs on Irish soil.

And the Irish Green Party has also expressed reservations.

Environmental concerns
In July, its leader Eamon Ryan said he was wary of quoted figures over oil resources which had not yet been tested.

"Oil may be there but there is a limit on how much you can get out, and this is still only a tiny fraction of what would be used," he said.

"Like any drilling at sea, there are risks to it - the highest standards need to be applied."

The RSPB has also voiced concerns about any oil extraction around Rathlin Island, a Special Area of Conservation and a Special Protection Area (SPA), which it argues are too important for wildlife to allow oil and gas exploration in the area.

It says the potential impact of oil drilling on Rathlin Island has not been fully explored.

Meanwhile, Providence says its intention is to take the oil to Cork, but that it is a decision that will be made on a commercial basis closer to the time of extraction.

Some 25% in revenue of what is potentially billions of pounds worth of oil will, however, be a huge boost to a country which has never successfully extracted a drop of oil in the past.

goldie fish

Wile I accept nobody is listening to him, Why is Eamon Ryan still talking? Didn't the electorate tell him what they thought of his opinions?

323

tricky D wrote: »

Opposition grows to drilling rig off south Dublin coast

Agree with the Dún Laoghaire Business Association guy, McManus about the amount of scaremongering about this, by mostly clueless idiots and quangos, absolutely amazing.
A single hole, probably be a jack up there for a few weeks, when done, only trace of him being there will be a few spud can marks on the seabed. As for discharging anything on the seabed, that stopped decades ago.

So close in if anything worthwhile developing there, would probably be developed/drilled out from the shore. That means jobs for the area.

cyrusdvirus

What's a little matter of 32 lives and a massive great big cruiser between friends, eh??

http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/worldnews/europe/italy/9598532/Costa-Concordia-captain-wants-his-job-back.html


Costa Concordia captain wants his job back
Francesco Schettino, the captain of the Costa Concordia has launched legal action to get his job back, nine months after the luxury cruise liner capsized off the island of Giglio with the loss of 32 lives.
The captain of the shipwrecked Costa Concordia has said he was distracted by a phone conversation shortly before the cruise liner crashed into a reef off an Italian island and capsized, killing 32 people.
Captain Francesco Schettino of the shipwrecked Costa Concordia Photo: REX/AFP
Nick Squires

By Nick Squires, Rome

1:30PM BST 10 Oct 2012

Capt Francesco Schettino is also claiming back pay, after it emerged on Wednesday that he had been dismissed by Costa Cruises, the company that owns the Concordia, in July.

"Costa Crociere confirms that it has concluded the disciplinary procedure against Schettino, following the sinking of the Costa Concordia, ordering his dismissal," the company said in a statement.

The captain has claimed that he managed to save lives on the night of the disaster by steering the listing ship so that it sank in shallows off the coast of Giglio, rather than in open water. He has said that many more lives would have been lost on Jan 13 had he not made the manoeuvre as the ship began to take on water after a rocky shoal tore a massive rip in its hull.

He is expected to turn up in Grosseto in Tuscany on Monday for a court hearing at which he is expected to be sent to trial.

He has received special permission to leave his home town of Meta di Sorrento, near Naples, in order to attend the proceedings.

He could be charged with abandoning ship, contravening the laws of the sea and multiple counts of manslaughter.

The hearing, which is expected to last at least three days, will be held in a theatre auditorium because Grosseto’s court is too small to accommodate all the witnesses, experts and aggrieved parties in the case.

Valeria Montesarchio, the investigating judge, is expected to hear evidence extracted from the ship’s data recorder, as well as recorded conversations between Capt Schettino and the Italian Coast Guard as the tragedy unfolded.

In one memorable exchange, Gregorio De Falco, a Coast Guard officer, told the captain “Get back on board, for f***’s sake,” after it emerged that Schettino had left the vessel in a life boat before all the crew and passengers had been evacuated.

He reportedly claimed that he had accidentally “tripped” into the lifeboat, but then supervised the evacuation from dry land.

The phrase in Italian – “Vada a bordo, cazzo” – went viral on Facebook, Twitter and other social networking sites and was even printed on T-shirts.

Capt Schettino has been accused of sailing too close to Giglio, part of the Tuscan archipelago, in order to perform a ‘salute’ to an old friend and as a favour for a member of his crew.

Eight other people are being investigated for the debacle – five of the ship’s officers and three employees of the Genoa-based cruise company, including Roberto Ferrarini, the fleet crisis coordinator.

jamesdiver

No news story just yet, but Galway man retakes World Record for Longest Cold Water, saltwater dive with 13hours 04minutes. Was involved in this myself.

http://worldslongestscubadive.com/

Madpaddy79

Bump

http://www.rte.ie/news/2012/1026/irish-ferries-vessels.html

seanmacc

Madpaddy79 wrote: »

Bump

http://www.rte.ie/news/2012/1026/irish-ferries-vessels.html

Oscar Wilde ended up sailing 1 hour late. No major damage that can cause operational issues has been detected as of yet.

knucklehead6

Crew Stranded On Lifeboat In 18ft Waves

Last Updated 13:12 29/10/2012
Rescuers are unable to reach 17 crew members of HMS Bounty stranded on lifeboats near the eye of Hurricane Sandy.

The captain of the ship ordered all members to abandon ship after it lost power and the pumps were unable to keep up with the dewatering.

Rescuers reached the scene, 160 miles from the centre of the hurricane, after receiving a distress call.

US Coast Guard said: "The 17 person crew donned cold water survival suits and lifejackets before launching in two 25-man lifeboats with canopies.

"The Coast Guard continues to monitor the situation and assess the weather conditions to determine the soonest Coast Guard aircraft or surface assets can be on scene to conduct effective rescue operations."

The ship is still floating upright and intact and the coast guard will assess whether it can be saved.

There are 40mph winds and 18ft waves reported at the scene, which is 90 miles southeast of Hatteras in North Carolina.

Coast Guard Sector North Carolina received a call from the owner of the 180ft, three mast ship, saying she had lost communication with the vessel's crew late on Sunday evening.

An air crew arrived on the scene and regained contact with the ship after receiving a signal from the emergency position indicating beacon registered to the Bounty.

The current Bounty was built for the 1962 movie Mutiny on the Bounty with Marlon Brando and has since appeared in Pirates of the Caribbean: Dead Man's Chest.

The original Bounty is known for the mutiny that took place in Tahiti in 1789.

goldie fish

Latest word is 14 recovered by USCG Jayhawk Helicopters, but 2 crew still missing.

knucklehead6

http://news.sky.com/story/1004111/video-shows-boat-sinking-as-crew-rescued

Dramatic footage has emerged of a fishing boat rapidly sinking after it began taking on water in the Irish Sea.
Two fishermen from County Down were rescued by another vessel in the incident which was captured on camera by rescuers last Tuesday.
Bad weather had forced the Snowdonia to sail to Ardglass harbour but it was hit by a big wave.
"We just went up on a wave and the back of the boat went into the water and she just never came back - she just went down that quick," said captain Stephen Kearney.
As the ship sank, one man became entangled in a rope and was close to being dragged down by it.
The men were in the water for 10 minutes as strong tides kept pushing them away from the nearby Tribute.
Rescuers managed to drag them aboard, and they were eventually airlifted to hospital by the Irish coastguard.
Mr Kearney says he will return to the sea to continue fishing within a few weeks, and thanked the rescuers for saving their lives.

Tabnabs

http://www.aftenbladet.no/energi/Her-reddes-mannskapet-fra-riggen-3064933.html

Floatel Superior took in water and was listing in the Njord field at 03:40 this morning. Bad weather has hampered helicopters landing but evacuation is now underway

Video of evacuation in link (with obligatory advert beforehand :rolleyes:)

goldie fish

Have to say, must be tough waiting around like that for the next helicopter to rescue your group in small numbers. Why didn't they lifeboat out of it?
Seems to be under tow now heading back for Kristiansund.

Tabnabs

They were all in the lifeboats ready for immediate evacuation, but then the weather improved and they decided to get them off by helicopter.

Would you rather stand around in a line or risk being dropped into the north sea and wait to be transferred to a standby boat (in weather too bad to fly in) before having the very long trip back to the beach?

goldie fish

I'd prefer to get off the sinking platform by whatever means is fastest.

zagmund

I don't mean to trivialise life saving efforts, but the opening scenes reminded me of that old PC game Lemmings. They are blue in this clip - http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=JJ9CS0KUZvY - but there must have been a version where they were all in orange or something.

In fairness to the folks involved, if I'm ever evacuated from somewhere I hope that it's as orderly as that.

z

knucklehead6

http://globalnation.inquirer.net/58953/7-presumed-dead-in-ship-collision-off-dutch-coast

AMSTERDAM—Rescuers gave up hope of finding any more survivors from a cargo ship that sank in the frigid North Sea off the Dutch coast, saying Thursday they are searching for the bodies of the seven crewmen still missing. That brings the presumed death toll to 11.
The 485-foot Baltic Ace was manned by a crew of Filipinos, Bulgarians, Poles and Ukrainians, but identities of victims, survivors and presumed victims have not been released.
High winds and rough seas hindered the search Wednesday night and it was called off shortly after 2 a.m. Search planes, helicopters and ships were heading to the area to resume the search Thursday morning, but the icy conditions made survival virtually impossible.
“Given the water temperature and the amount of time that’s passed, we don’t have any hope for more survivors,” Peter Westenburg of the Dutch Coast Guard said. Four bodies were found Wednesday, and 13 survivors were rescued.
The cargo ship sank after colliding with the 440-foot container ship Corvus J in darkness near busy shipping lanes some 65 kilometers (40 miles) off the coast of the southern Netherlands. The cause of the collision is not known.
The Dutch waterways agency said it had sent a vessel to the site to guide other shipping in the busy region around the sunken wreck of the Baltic Ace and use sonar equipment to establish exactly how deep and where it was lying on the seabed. The agency said it is in contact with the ship’s owner about possible salvage operations.
The Baltic Ace, carrying a cargo of cars, sank quickly as its crew of 24 tried to abandon ship.
Four of the survivors were flown to a hospital in Rotterdam and seven to a military hospital in Belgium. All are expected to recover. The location of the other two survivors was unclear.
Janusz Wolosz, an official with Poland’s embassy in The Hague, said that two Polish crew members have been confirmed dead, three are missing and six crew, including the Polish captain, are recovering in hospital after being rescued.
“They were all well qualified for their jobs,” said Mariusz Lenckowski, of the agency that employed the Polish seamen. He said the Baltic Ace was built in the Gdynia shipyard in Poland in 2007.
The Baltic Ace, sailing under a Bahamas flag, was heading from the Belgian port of Zeebrugge to Kotka in Finland, and the Cyprus-registered Corvus J was on its way from Grangemouth in Scotland to Antwerp, Belgium. The Corvus J was badly damaged but not in danger of sinking. Its 12-man crew was unharmed and had assisted in the search Wednesday, but Thursday began heading toward Antwerp for repairs.
Sandra Groenendal of the Dutch Safety Board said responsibility for investigating the crash lies with the states under whose flags the ships were sailing — the Bahamas and Cyprus — because the collision happened outside Dutch territorial waters. However, she added it was possible those states would seek Dutch assistance.
The safety board later said in a statement it has offered its assistance in the investigation.
Dutch government data shows 260,000 ships cross through Dutch waters annually, mostly foreign ships. Due in part to the nearby location of Rotterdam, Europe’s largest port, it is one of the busiest shipping lanes in the world, yet fewer than 20 accidents happen annually, and few involve fatal injuries.
According to Zero-meridean.nl, a website that uses public information to track disasters and emergencies with links to the Netherlands, the last comparable fatal accident off Dutch waters was in 1994, when the English fishing ship Larissa collided with a Maltese-flagged tanker, killing all six on board the fishing boat.

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Tabnabs

Not great clarity, but the Corvus J appears to be the give way vessel (initially!)

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_sC9DyWOY4w

And a bigger still shot

LiamoSail

From the above, it looks as if the Baltic ace went to port for a vessel crossing from port. Granted the other lad should have taken action earlier but going to port like that is suicide

Irrespective of which vessel was give way though, you'd have to question why either allowed themselves into the situation in the first place. As a stand on vessel, I'd never allow a situation develop whereby the latter part of the stand on rule is invoked and I'm required to take action.

Tabnabs

Photos of the Corvus J are out

http://gcaptain.com/corvus-j-containership-damage-photos/

islanderre

RIP to the missing crew....

Islanderre

jamesdiver

sad news, RIP

Freedive Ireland

RIP

long range shooter

goldie fish wrote: »

I'd prefer to get off the sinking platform by whatever means is fastest.

It wasnt sinking,it was listing 4 degrees because one of the anchors had punctured a ballast tank.;)
Not a big deal,but Statoil still decided to evacuate.

goldie fish

Just heard that Vos Sailor was caught in some of the worst the North sea can throw at it. It begun taking on water and the crew were evacuated. Sadly one died during the incident.

Sailor killed as gale hits emergency boat
16 Dec 2012 00:56


THE crewman died and 11 others had to be rescued because of stormy conditions in the North Sea.




A CREWMAN died and 11 others had to be rescued when stormy seas overcame their vessel in the North Sea.

The Vos Sailor was damaged and took on water during severe weather overnight. Coastguard launched a rescue mission after a Mayday call at 4.30am and 11 crew members were winched to safety.

Police said one man had been fatally injured. His body has not yet been recovered. The Vos Sailor, an emergency response and rescue vessel, had been operating on the Balmoral oil field 120 miles off Aberdeen.

At the time of the incident, winds in the area were reported to be 60-75 knots with 6.5m waves.

Tabnabs

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Looks like such an unsuitable little ship for standby work in bad weather, more like something you'd see in the US Gulf.

Cookie_Monster

Tabnabs wrote: »

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Looks like such an unsuitable little ship for standby work in bad weather, more like something you'd see in the US Gulf.

or tied up ready for scrapping. Certainly looks seriously unloved

who the fug

Tabnabs wrote: »

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Looks like such an unsuitable little ship for standby work in bad weather, more like something you'd see in the US Gulf.

Looked her up built 1981, in Canada

She does look more suitable for the US/Arabian gulf work, but still a big step up from the first generation boats that worked in the North Sea

murphym7

Tabnabs wrote: »

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Looks like such an unsuitable little ship for standby work in bad weather, more like something you'd see in the US Gulf.

I worked offshore supply/Stanby on what I would have considered a small vessel, I would have been cacking myself working on that one. The bridge certainly looks like something you would spot in the US Gulf.

Storm 10

Fairplay to the helicopter crews involved in the rescue it was some job in those conditions

long range shooter

US Court Orders Watson and the Sea Shepherd Conservation Society to Stay Away from Whaling Ships

http://gcaptain.com/court-orders-watson-shepherd-conservation/

At last,and about time.

Freedive Ireland

While I still support the idea of sea shepard I now see watson as tainted seeing as how he fled Germany. I think he could have tangled them up in legal wranglings far better and saved face.
However the IWC for the most part came together and agreed to stop whaling except for research purposes. Can you (a) honestly tell me all the whales slaughtered are for research in any way shape or form and (b) why no country takes it upon themselves to enforce this agreed regulation. This is where SS stepped in. The general concensus seems to be if its happening in international waters who gives a fck. And its ok for members to hunt in a place they themselves designated a sanctuary? Nuts.
http://www.iwcoffice.org/sanctuaries

long range shooter wrote: »

US Court Orders Watson and the Sea Shepherd Conservation Society to Stay Away from Whaling Ships

http://gcaptain.com/court-orders-watson-shepherd-conservation/

At last,and about time.

long range shooter

Freedive Ireland wrote: »

While I still support the idea of sea shepard I now see watson as tainted seeing as how he fled Germany. I think he could have tangled them up in legal wranglings far better and saved face.
However the IWC for the most part came together and agreed to stop whaling except for research purposes. Can you (a) honestly tell me all the whales slaughtered are for research in any way shape or form and (b) why no country takes it upon themselves to enforce this agreed regulation. This is where SS stepped in. The general concensus seems to be if its happening in international waters who gives a fck. And its ok for members to hunt in a place they themselves designated a sanctuary? Nuts.
http://www.iwcoffice.org/sanctuaries

a)If they have a quota of whales to hunt for research,i am sure they do it for that purpose,but if its also sold as whalemeat i cant see the problem either.Pity to let it go to waste.

b)Not every country have taken the steps to agree with it,simply because IWC is the one that gives out the quotas each year for hunting,and IWC was not always right in their numbers.

IWC was founded in 1946,long before watson and sea shepard came into the spotlight,and to manage sustainable hunting of whales.

Freedive Ireland

so in response to (a) if it really is for research how many do they need japan can take 850 or so for research it seems and how long does it need to continue. and (b) this just proves the point of how powerless the iwc is as it sets antartica as a sanctuary and then does nothing to enforce that sanctuary which is where ss came in to try and enforce it. Japan has been seen to help out other countries to get them to vote the way they want in the iwc but even then when something goes againest them they go ahead anyway and nothing is done about it. I am not always a fan of SS tactics but commend them at least for doing something.

Cookie_Monster

what research could you possibly need 850 dead whales each and every year for?

long range shooter

Cookie_Monster wrote: »

what research could you possibly need 850 dead whales each and every year for?

Same way as you need 100 million other animals in medical research each year:rolleyes:

long range shooter

Freedive Ireland wrote: »

so in response to (a) if it really is for research how many do they need japan can take 850 or so for research it seems and how long does it need to continue. and (b) this just proves the point of how powerless the iwc is as it sets antartica as a sanctuary and then does nothing to enforce that sanctuary which is where ss came in to try and enforce it. Japan has been seen to help out other countries to get them to vote the way they want in the iwc but even then when something goes againest them they go ahead anyway and nothing is done about it. I am not always a fan of SS tactics but commend them at least for doing something.

You just said it,SS should stay out of it,and let IWC handle it.
SS is only provoking the Whalers with their so called tactics,to the point where they simply dont give a f..k.
I am sure you wouldnt like to be on the other end if this was Irish beef they where protesting against.;)

goldie fish

long range shooter wrote: »

You just said it,SS should stay out of it,and let IWC handle it.
SS is only provoking the Whalers with their so called tactics,to the point where they simply dont give a f..k.
I am sure you wouldnt like to be on the other end if this was Irish beef they where protesting against.;)

There is no shortage of cows. They weren't considered almost extinct 40 years ago.

long range shooter

goldie fish wrote: »

There is no shortage of cows. They weren't considered almost extinct 40 years ago.

And when was the minke whale considered extinct:rolleyes:And did you count the cows,lol

goldie fish

long range shooter wrote: »

And when was the minke whale considered extinct:rolleyes:And did you count the cows,lol

There has been no accurate data. It is however on the CITES list as Threatened.
As for the cows, yes.

Just under 6m in ireland alone.
http://www.cso.ie/en/media/csoie/releasespublications/documents/agriculture/2011/livestock_dec2011.pdf

long range shooter

goldie fish wrote: »

There has been no accurate data. It is however on the CITES list as Threatened.
As for the cows, yes.

Just under 6m in ireland alone.
http://www.cso.ie/en/media/csoie/releasespublications/documents/agriculture/2011/livestock_dec2011.pdf[/QUOTE]

Threathened is not extinct,and 850 whales out of a population of over 500000 whales is not much if you ask me.

who the fug

The basic argument about Paul Watson is he be a rich middle class idiot, who will end up killing 30 odd people, some poor some rich

Protest but do it safely

long range shooter

who the fug wrote: »

The basic argument about Paul Watson is he be a rich middle class idiot, who will end up killing 30 odd people, some poor some rich

Protest but do it safely

Or stay at home.and let IWC handle it.

who the fug

long range shooter wrote: »

Or stay at home.and let IWC handle it.

or destroy the market for whale meat, like mink coats

Go after the consumers

tricky D

Lets try to keep this thread to news in the main.

The place for the Sea Shephard debate is here: http://www.boards.ie/vbulletin/showthread.php?t=2056569210

Tabnabs

Honest Capt, the chart said it was grand...

http://www.miamiherald.com/2013/01/19/3190187/us-navy-ship-stuck-in-philippines.html

who the fug

Tabnabs wrote: »

Honest Capt, the chart said it was grand...

http://www.miamiherald.com/2013/01/19/3190187/us-navy-ship-stuck-in-philippines.html

how many people are on the bridge of a naval ship at any one time, would one of them not be looking out the window, or at the echo sounder

long range shooter

who the fug wrote: »

how many people are on the bridge of a naval ship at any one time, would one of them not be looking out the window, or at the echo sounder

In this case the echo sounder showed -3 meters,lol;):D