Vaccine Megathread - See OP for threadbans

stephenjmcd · 12-04-2021 07:47PM

AZ statement

https://twitter.com/gavreilly/status/1381679923698491394?s=19

Beasty · 12-04-2021 07:48PM

Deleted User wrote: »

Great news. I didn't want the Asstrazeneca vaccine.

Even better news for me - should push me a bit higher if they've a load of AZ vaccines to put into the arms of those of us who are 60 or older

Degag · 12-04-2021 07:48PM

Multipass wrote: »

A bit of perspective on risk

https://twitter.com/avinash/status/1381642880356261889?s=21

Seems ridiculous to me. It's a few people per million who develop complications i believe. Now i'm not sure of the level of seriousness of these complications (i presume they must be significant) but realistically there is going to be some level of adverse side affects to every drug that is administered.

Not long ago they banned AZ for over 60s:rolleyes:

Dressoutlet · 12-04-2021 07:49PM

I don't know why people are Complaining. Yes it delays our rollout but if that is the worst outcome as opposed to people getting a very rare Clot and dying then we have little to worry about. Yes I know it's a rare side effect but significant enough for experts to say stop using it. I read constantly here, for a year now, about trusting the experts and yet they make a decision and suddenly its all a shambles.
And before anyone starts yes I know it's a rare side effect, but it's an even rarer type of blood clot with a 1 in 4 mortality rate. If covid had a 1 in 4 mortality rate would you say the same that is being said about the vaccine. Its not the end of the world to stop giving it to younger people.

12-04-2021 07:52PM

Beasty wrote: »

Even better news for me - should push me a bit higher if they've a load of AZ vaccines to put into the arms of those of us who are 60 or older

Nice one.

Scuid Mhór · 12-04-2021 07:54PM

What an emotional rollercoaster this is.

lbj666 · 12-04-2021 07:54PM

Dressoutlet wrote: »

I don't know why people are Complaining. Yes it delays our rollout but if that is the worst outcome as opposed to people getting a very rare Clot and dying then we have little to worry about. Yes I know it's a rare side effect but significant enough for experts to say stop using it. I read constantly here, for a year now, about trusting the experts and yet they make a decision and suddenly its all a shambles.
And before anyone starts yes I know it's a rare side effect, but it's an even rarer type of blood clot with a 1 in 4 mortality rate. If covid had a 1 in 4 mortality rate would you say the same that is being said about the vaccine. Its not the end of the world to stop giving it to younger people.

It doesn't even impact the rollout as much as people are suggesting with the reaction here, there still enough people eligible or earmarked for it to use up nearly all the Q1 and Q2 allocation.

12-04-2021 07:55PM

Doctor Jimbob wrote: »

I missed the news that prior to this the AZ vaccine was going to be compulsory. Do you have a link to that?

Don't be ridiculous. If just one young person died from this jab it would have undermined the entire programme in Ireland.

Thankfully we can help avoid this by using common sense.

Micky 32 · 12-04-2021 07:56PM

Scuid Mhór wrote: »

What an emotional rollercoaster this is.

Yes, I’m starting to get motion sickness now

funnydoggy · 12-04-2021 07:56PM

Scuid Mhór wrote: »

What an emotional rollercoaster this is.

It's like the ending of Game of Thrones. Same emotions too. Gloom and disappointment :pac:

12-04-2021 07:56PM

lbj666 wrote: »

It doesn't even impact the rollout as much as people are suggesting with the reaction here, there still enough people eligible or earmarked for it to use up nearly all the Q1 and Q2 allocation.

Exactly. The hysteria here is ridiculous. Why don't we wait to hear the plan for modifying the rollout before freaking out that it's a disaster?

Degag · 12-04-2021 07:57PM

Dressoutlet wrote: »

I don't know why people are Complaining. Yes it delays our rollout but if that is the worst outcome as opposed to people getting a very rare Clot and dying then we have little to worry about. Yes I know it's a rare side effect but significant enough for experts to say stop using it. I read constantly here, for a year now, about trusting the experts and yet they make a decision and suddenly its all a shambles.
And before anyone starts yes I know it's a rare side effect, but it's an even rarer type of blood clot with a 1 in 4 mortality rate. If covid had a 1 in 4 mortality rate would you say the same that is being said about the vaccine. Its not the end of the world to stop giving it to younger people.

Yes but this isn't 1 in 4.

It's 1 in 4 in thousands. i.e. a very small, tiny, miniscule percentage. I would hate to be one of the few to get those complications (and maybe i'd have a different opinion then) but to me, the risk here is much lower than the benefit, overall. Will more people die or develop serious complications than this will save?

Rebelbrowser · 12-04-2021 07:59PM

Is there a press conference?

Turtwig · 12-04-2021 08:00PM

[Deleted User] wrote: »

Don't be ridiculous. If just one young person died from this jab it would have undermined the entire programme in Ireland.

Thankfully we can help avoid this by using common sense.

At least one young person who receives a covid vaccine will die a short while after receiving it. Probably quite a few will.

Sierra 117 · 12-04-2021 08:00PM

I'm sure all of the under 60s who were vaccinated with AZ today in vaccination centres will be delighted to hear this news.

Jesus Christ.

12-04-2021 08:01PM

Doctor Jimbob wrote: »

I'd have no issue with this if our reopening wasn't tied to vaccinations.

As it stands, we simply can't afford this level of caution.

It's almost as if you didn't read what I said. Let me reiterate. If an otherwise young healthy person died from AZ it could have led to masses of young people refusing the jab as they would lose confidence in the programme.

How would your reopening plan work in the face of that scenario? Why is a minor delay to avoid such a scenario so unreasonable? Why should we expect young people to take a risk that is simply not required?

funnydoggy · 12-04-2021 08:02PM

When is this in effect from? My OH is not gonna be getting her vaccine in Pairc Ui Chaoimh tomorrow if that's the case. She's in her early 30s.

Strazdas · 12-04-2021 08:02PM

Sierra 117 wrote: »

I'm sure all of the under 60s who were vaccinated with AZ today in vaccination centres will be delighted to hear this news.

Jesus Christ.

Risk is still tiny for them. It's purely as a precautionary measure, we've only had one serious blood clot case in Ireland.

12-04-2021 08:03PM

Turtwig wrote: »

At least one young person who receives a covid vaccine will die a short while after receiving it. Probably quite a few will.

Then they shouldn't take part. Why should they when the virus barely affects them?

lbj666 · 12-04-2021 08:03PM

If anyone who thinks that herd immunity should be aided by younger cohorts simply getting immunity through infection rather than vacine and the chance of long covid that could go with they need to rethink.

vienne86 · 12-04-2021 08:03PM

Rebelbrowser wrote: »

Is there a press conference?

No sign of it that I can see.

Miike · 12-04-2021 08:04PM

Stheno wrote: »

So basically "we don't recommend it for under 60s but if you've already recieved a dose and are not high risk, we're just going to push out your second dose, till we see if we have further info"?

Even though they don't know if more than 12 weeks gap will cause issues?

Yeah its beggars belief... I'm a bit like???

funnydoggy · 12-04-2021 08:04PM

Deleted User wrote: »

Then they shouldn't take part. Why should they when the virus barely affects them?

Round and round we go

hmmm · 12-04-2021 08:04PM

Deleted User wrote: »

Don't be ridiculous. If just one young person died from this jab it would have undermined the entire programme in Ireland.

Thankfully we can help avoid this by using common sense.

MHRA said it's one person in 250,000 who gets these clots. If the reports on this thread are right that it has a 1 in 4 death rate then my back of the envelope calculation is that for every million people who get the vaccine, 1 person may die.

It's not exactly the Somme is it?

Hopefully this doesn't affect the rollout programme, but if at any stage AstraZeneca vaccines are lying unused I think we should be making them available to those who are happy to take the "risk". The Regulators have to do their job, but there are a lot of people who want these lockdowns to end as soon as possible.

12-04-2021 08:06PM

https://twitter.com/ZaraKing/status/1381680173658075139?s=19

Apparently they are waiting.

drake70 · 12-04-2021 08:06PM

Sierra 117 wrote: »

I'm sure all of the under 60s who were vaccinated with AZ today in vaccination centres will be delighted to hear this news.

Jesus Christ.

I had my first dose of AstraZeneca today. Doesn't bother me.

rm212 · 12-04-2021 08:07PM

Stheno wrote: »

So basically "we don't recommend it for under 60s but if you've already recieved a dose and are not high risk, we're just going to push out your second dose, till we see if we have further info"?

Even though they don't know if more than 12 weeks gap will cause issues?

But at the same time, “if you have a medical condition, we’ll chance it and give you the second dose”. How is that mixed messaging going to make anyone feel confident in the vaccine?

Turtwig · 12-04-2021 08:08PM

Miike wrote: »

Yeah its beggars belief... I'm a bit like???

Yeah I don't understand why they just didn't say anyone given first dose should get second as normal.

That said I don't believe 16 weeks will undermine efficacy of vaccine.

Rebelbrowser · 12-04-2021 08:08PM

hmmm wrote: »

MHRA said it's one person in 250,000 who gets these clots. If the reports on this thread are right that it has a 1 in 4 death rate then my back of the envelope calculation is that for every million people who get the vaccine, 1 person may die.

It's not exactly the Somme is it?

Hopefully this doesn't affect the rollout programme, but if at any stage AstraZeneca vaccines are lying unused I think we should be making them available to those who are happy to take the "risk". The Regulators have to do their job, but there are a lot of people who want these lockdowns to end as soon as possible.

The NIAC document tonight expressly refers to that 1 in a million (literally) risk. I'm very conservative on these things but Jesus lads! Any consequent delay is bound to cause at least one extra covid death

12-04-2021 08:09PM

hmmm wrote: »

MHRA said it's one person in 250,000 who gets these clots. If the reports on this thread are right that it has a 1 in 4 death rate then my back of the envelope calculation is that for every million people who get the vaccine, 1 person may die.

It's not exactly the Somme is it?

Hopefully this doesn't affect the rollout programme, but if at any stage AstraZeneca vaccines are lying unused I think we should be making them available to those who are happy to take the "risk". The Regulators have to do their job, but there are a lot of people who want these lockdowns to end as soon as possible.

"Here, there's a virus that poses no risk to you, do you want a vaccine that might kill you due to blood clots that we can't quite figure out?"

Nah. Thankfully I won't have to face that decision. Common sense prevailed.

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