Relaxation of Restrictions, Part X Read OP For Mod Warnings

francogarbanzo · 07-04-2021 07:08AM

gozunda wrote: »

Who claimed there was going to be "piles of dead bodies" or indeed a "collapsed health system there"? Sources?

I do wonder what's with the fixation with Florida (a single state in the US) in some covid threads? Maybe we could compare it to Cork?

But what's 100% normal? Florida has had nearly 34,000 deaths and 2.09 covid million cases out of a population of approx 22 million equivalent to a rate off 100,000 total cases per million (Ireland is under half that). And yes its known lots of older people from all over the US move there for retirement.

How's their health system coping?

It was not good for a while but It would appear that the most recent reported per-capita rate of Covid-19 patients for Florida hospitals inficates about 25% above the national average. And new patients are arriving at its hospital emergency departments at slightly higher rates than the rest of the country even though overall hospitalisation rates are down.

Good news generally on vaccinations rates however Florida has the one of highest estimated concentration of cases of the B.1.1.7 variant in the US and has been flagged as an issue of concern with just over 800 new cases there the week before last and 3192 today.

https://www.cdc.gov/coronavirus/2019-ncov/transmission/variant-cases.html

Hopefully they'll be able to keep a lid on that ...

What was the point you were making again?

Florida and Texas fries their circuitry whenever they’re brought up. “N-no! Florida is actually doing bad! Look how many deaths! And all the cases!”

Reminder: Florida has no restrictions. For months. And even before that, had barely any state level restrictions whatsoever.

Would you trade twice our relatively low COVID outcomes for none of the restrictions over the past year plus? I would.

Captain_Crash · 07-04-2021 07:38AM

dalyboy wrote: »

25% occupancy for indoor hospitality from September ?

25% occupancy?

Seriously?

How in the hell after 17 months of pubs being closed does anyone think that’s reasonable?

No business can possibly break even never mind be profitable at that level of occupancy.

We will be at 80% vaccinated population by September (according to the numpties in charge) so what’s this latest 25% BS about.

The pubs , nightclubs , hotels , gyms , pools , cinemas, restaurants etc etc should have ZERO vacancy limitations by September or beforehand.

They’ve put up with enough of this sh1t for long enough.

That’s just “rent a quote” Luke O’Neill muttering whatever it is he needs to stay on air! Granted, he’s not been the most insane covid commentator trough all this but he isn’t a member or NPHET or government and plays no part in our covid planning! Like it would make a difference anyway haha

FintanMcluskey · 07-04-2021 07:42AM

Captain_Crash wrote: »

That’s just “rent a quote” Luke O’Neill muttering whatever it is he needs to stay on air! Granted, he’s not been the most insane covid commentator trough all this but he isn’t a member or NPHET or government and plays no part in our covid planning! Like it would make a difference anyway haha

NPHET have released a statement distancing themselves from that nonsense

They said a figure of 25% occupancy in September with everybody vaccinated is completely inaccurate

They are hopeful for 15% occupancy by December

average_runner · 07-04-2021 07:58AM

FintanMcluskey wrote: »

NPHET have released a statement distancing themselves from that nonsense

They said a figure of 25% occupancy in September with everybody vaccinated is completely inaccurate

They are hopeful for 15% occupancy by December

Where did u see that?

FintanMcluskey · 07-04-2021 07:59AM

average_runner wrote: »

Where did u see that?

It was an attempt at humour!

lee_baby_simms · 07-04-2021 08:06AM

FintanMcluskey wrote: »

NPHET have released a statement distancing themselves from that nonsense

They said a figure of 25% occupancy in September with everybody vaccinated is completely inaccurate

They are hopeful for 15% occupancy by December

All moot as we’ll likely be back in some form of level 5 by December.

Captain_Crash · 07-04-2021 08:08AM

FintanMcluskey wrote: »

NPHET have released a statement distancing themselves from that nonsense

They said a figure of 25% occupancy in September with everybody vaccinated is completely inaccurate

They are hopeful for 15% occupancy by December

Funny cause it’s believable

average_runner · 07-04-2021 08:10AM

FintanMcluskey wrote: »

It was an attempt at humour!

Didnt know you did humour

_Kaiser_ · 07-04-2021 08:20AM

Michael McNamara a star again on NT just now talking about "project fear" in regards to the handling of the Covid response in this country.

He must have been thinking of the NPHET worry-o-meter I'm guessing.

Aph2016 · 07-04-2021 08:41AM

NPHET weekly meetings should be live streamed, time for some accountability.

corkonion · 07-04-2021 08:45AM

I see hospital cases have been revised downwards by 40 this morning, and slightly positive mutterings from those who must be obeyed, as expected really, we’re past the long weekend, as we approach the May bank holiday except more doom and gloom and an unusual high number of new cases on the Friday before the weekend.

j@utis · 07-04-2021 08:51AM

Aph2016 wrote: »

NPHET weekly meetings should be live streamed, time for some accountability.

That would make a good material for the Comedy channel.

gozunda · 07-04-2021 09:07AM

francogarbanzo wrote: »

Florida and Texas fries their circuitry whenever they’re brought up. “N-no! Florida is actually doing bad! Look how many deaths! And all the cases!”

Reminder: Florida has no restrictions. For months. And even before that, had barely any state level restrictions whatsoever.

Would you trade twice our relatively low COVID outcomes for none of the restrictions over the past year plus? I would.

Do they? Really?

I believe you're wrong about 'barely any restrictions whatsoever' btw

Perhaps you forgot about the first half of 2020 when the schools were closed, curfews ordered, bars and nightclubs ordered closed. Stay-at-home orders put in place, mandatory mask law introduced etc etc with case numbers under control?

Or do you mean after that when state governor DeSantis lost his **** and ordered the lifting of restrictions in the second half 2020 - and when Florida experienced its daily case numbers surpassing the previous US daily record for new cases - with rapidly rising case numbers following that and that with just 7% of the US population?

Or Florida now which is the leading state in the US with cases of the highly transmissible B.1.1.7 variant at the moment ?

Would I trade 'twice our relatively low COVID outcomes' for the high case and death numbers there following DeSantis gross mismanagement of the Pandemic to date?

No. No I wouldn't.

Boggles · 07-04-2021 09:27AM

PTH2009 wrote: »

Wrestlemania is happening in Florida this weekend in the same place that hosted the Superbowl a few months ago

Sure didn't Trump hold several super spreader events across the states, including Florida.

The suggestion we should be more like them is hilarious.

_Kaiser_ · 07-04-2021 09:32AM

Few interesting articles in the papers this morning...

- Quarantine hotel stays to be halved for negative tests (translation: the political, diplomatic and legal rows aren't worth it)

- PUP to be phased out from June (translation: the money is running out and we need people back working, not claiming)

Also the IT has a piece saying that fully vacinnated people may no longer have to isolate or wear masks (well duh... though I'm not especially happy with the way these basic freedoms are now being sold as "bonuses" if you take the vaccine)

Chivito550 · 07-04-2021 09:42AM

Friend is over in Barcelona. All pubs and restaurants open for indoor dining until 6pm. After 6pm it's take away only, but everyone eats and drinks on the squares, streets and on the beach. There's a curfew at 10pm, and by 11pm the streets are empty. But it's close to normal life for much of the day. Community level grassroots sport is happening everywhere. There was a big cycling road race the other day with thousands lining the streets.

And guess what, their Covid numbers aren't crazy high.

It's sickening that people over there can live some sense of normality, can go for a meal, a drink, take part in outdoor sporting competitions, irregardless of whether you are elite or not, while here, you aren't even allowed onto an outdoor 400m athletics track to train by yourself - let alone compete in an outdoor sporting environment which poses negligible risk to anyone.

Do we have the best scientists in the world and the Catalans are simply wrong?

The way this has been handled here makes me ashamed to be Irish. The differences between here and the rest of Europe will become more and more pronounced as we enter the Summer.

the kelt · 07-04-2021 09:43AM

Great news.

Another drop in hospital numbers despite the cases being “too high” as we keep hearing

In our entire population we have now 232 people in hospital, around half of these in Dublin but hold firm in those multiple counties with hardly any cases or hospitalisations, remember we are all in this together, in a week you will be able to travel within your whole county.

Five day average over 400 and hospitalisations keep dropping, great news. Couple with the opinion polls flipping from the weekend the pressure is coming on. Fair play to the likes of newstalk for moving away from the daily case numbers to a five day average as the obsession with case numbers lessens in its importance despite still being pumped out there every day.

And there’s also an appeal for some missing people, they were known as the “huge expected paddy’s day bounce in numbers”, if seen please report them to NPHET HQ, c/o The HSE, Hold Firm Avenue, We Are All In This Together Street, COVID 19 (sorry typo) Dublin 19

_Kaiser_ · 07-04-2021 09:46AM

Boggles wrote: »

Sure didn't Trump hold several super spreader events across the states, including Florida.

The suggestion we should be more like them is hilarious.

The truth is that despite the inexplicable resistance from some, the idea of locking ourselves away because SOME (a very small number really) people MIGHT get sick is coming to an end.

The recent poll and the shift in the media coverage in the last few weeks proves it - the majority have had enough of this curtain-twitching hyper-cautious approach to something that doesn't medically affect 98/99% of people in this country, but which has SIGNIFICANTLY affected everyone's lives and livelihoods.

Time to get back to work and living our lives, not hiding and treating each other as potential plague carriers.

Multipass · 07-04-2021 09:52AM

_Kaiser_ wrote: »

Few interesting articles in the papers this morning...

- Quarantine hotel stays to be halved for negative tests (translation: the political, diplomatic and legal rows aren't worth it)

- PUP to be phased out from June (translation: the money is running out and we need people back working, not claiming)

Also the IT has a piece saying that fully vacinnated people may no longer have to isolate or wear masks (well duh... though I'm not especially happy with the way these basic freedoms are now being sold as "bonuses" if you take the vaccine)

That’s the end of masks in general in that case. Mines gone as soon as the blanket requirement is gone. Hurray!

CalamariFritti · 07-04-2021 09:52AM

The whole 'freedoms to be granted' to the fully vaccinated is outrageous on so many levels.

First of all 'granted'. Who the **** do they think they are? Their job which they swore an oath to carry out is to get us back on track as soon and as safely as possible. It is not their job to 'grant' freedoms. These freedoms are fundamental rights and every minute of them being withheld needs to be under immense scrutiny. What is going right now is the opposite of that and these people are getting carried away and need to be hauled back to Earth. And thats being generous. Some of the stuff surely deserves enquiries.

Next thing, what happened to we're all in this together?

We all locked down at immense cost to society as well as individually to protect the old and vulnerable. So the moment they're vaccinated they can now be used as a carrot, go back to normal, and fvck the rest? Is that what you call all in this together?

If we ever get anything done in this and get back to normal it will be in spite of these politicians not because of them. Nearly everything I read and hear about covid these days makes me sick about this.

_Kaiser_ · 07-04-2021 09:56AM

Multipass wrote: »

That’s the end of masks in general in that case. Mines gone as soon as the blanket requirement is gone. Hurray!

Same here and it'll be the same for the overwhelming majority I think. As soon as the legal threat of fines or prosecution disappears, so too will the masks.

It's the same as the travel restrictions and checkpoints last year. As soon as the overtime ran out and the Gardai went back to the station, people went wherever they wanted... and guess what? The sky didn't fall in, and numbers continued to decline over the summer.

Can't come soon enough IMO.

Kivaro · 07-04-2021 09:58AM

the kelt wrote: »

Great news.

Another drop in hospital numbers despite the cases being “too high” as we keep hearing ....

It is great news. However, listening to RTE news you would think we are heading into the next surge of the virus. Yesterday, on their second item on the morning news, they led off with "rise in hospital cases". Do you want to know what that rise was? 3 people; a further 3 people were hospitalised in one day, so RTE made it an important news event ...... because it was an increase.

I know that it is easy to say to filter out RTE, but they are our National Broadcaster and they are getting paid to do their jobs by us, so they should be held up to scrutiny and accountability. They have failed us badly.

francogarbanzo · 07-04-2021 10:13AM

gozunda wrote: »

Do they? Really?

I believe you're wrong about 'barely any restrictions whatsoever' btw

Perhaps you forgot about the first half of 2020 when the schools were closed, curfews ordered, bars and nightclubs ordered closed. Stay-at-home orders put in place, mandatory mask law introduced etc etc with case numbers under control?

Or do you mean after that when state governor DeSantis lost his **** and ordered the lifting of restrictions in the second half 2020 - and when Florida experienced its daily case numbers surpassing the previous US daily record for new cases - with rapidly rising case numbers following that and that with just 7% of the US population?

Or Florida now which is the leading state in the US with cases of the highly transmissible B.1.1.7 variant at the moment ?

Would I trade 'twice our relatively low COVID outcomes' for the high case and death numbers there following DeSantis gross mismanagement of the Pandemic to date?

No. No I wouldn't.

They had a 30-day stay at home order. Last April. They didn't even close the beaches. Yes, they've had barely any restrictions.

Typical response though. It's all about trying to save the healthcare service when it suits the narrative, but when you can point to a state with basically no restrictions, and no healthcare access catastrophe, it's all about the case numbers.

Shelga · 07-04-2021 10:16AM

Just got the news that both of my parents are to receive their first jab this Saturday!

I feel like it's the first tangible good news I have heard in so, so long, and I am definitely going to be much more relaxed about meeting up outdoors with other people in a few weeks (I live at home).

Maybe I'll even be able to go on a date again at last! :pac:

It's all this stuff that the government make absolutely no reference to- people like me stuck living at home in their 30s because of the appalling housing situation in this country, wasting our lives away, zero human touch, no contact with friends, no hugs, no romance, nothing- expected to just STFU and get on with it.

There is no excuse now for still not having a clear plan of what can be opened with each 10% of the population that receives the vaccine. Zero. Zilch. Mehole could compete in fence sitting at the Olympics. It's a disgrace. Tick tock.

gozunda · 07-04-2021 10:19AM

_Kaiser_ wrote: »

The truth is that despite the inexplicable resistance from some, the idea of locking ourselves away because SOME (a very small number really) people MIGHT get sick is coming to an end.

The recent poll and the shift in the media coverage in the last few weeks proves it - the majority have had enough of this curtain-twitching hyper-cautious approach to something that doesn't medically affect 98/99% of people in this country, but which has SIGNIFICANTLY affected everyone's lives and livelihoods.

Time to get back to work and living our lives, not hiding and treating each other as potential plague carriers.

Reckon we urgently need a vaccination to help cure "Curtain twitcheritis" a malady where people imagine everyone they don't agree with have moving curtains or something...

Funny enough same condition seems to cause immense forgetfulness that the reason for restrictions is to reduce and help keep the infection rate down and that health services can continue to cope - whilst we're rolling out a vaccination programme which will directly help everyone back to work and living their lives.

arccosh · 07-04-2021 10:20AM

francogarbanzo wrote: »

Typical response though. It's all about trying to save the healthcare service when it suits the narrative, but when you can point to a state with basically no restrictions, and no healthcare access catastrophe, it's all about the case numbers.

It's a plausible argument in the US where going to hospital in some states to get oxygen therapy can bankrupt some people even with health insurance...

getting sick in the US comes with the unfortunate thought process of "am I sick enough to warrant a hospital visit, and can I afford the costs if I do survive"

so yes the next metric to use is case numbers

Ireland has a far more accessible health service, which is in ****, and easily overwhelmed..

before COVID, there were real concerns if Ireland could actually handle some sort of a disaster (plane crash etc...) due to how overwhelmed the health service is on a day to day basis and there is protocols in place to call on the UK to help in such instances

ninebeanrows · 07-04-2021 10:21AM

Shock horror

Gabriel Scally on Claire Byrne show

Boggles · 07-04-2021 10:28AM

_Kaiser_ wrote: »

The truth is that despite the inexplicable resistance from some, the idea of locking ourselves away because SOME (a very small number really) people MIGHT get sick is coming to an end.

Truth? Brilliant.

What numbers are you referencing and what is the definition of sick?

_Kaiser_ · 07-04-2021 10:28AM

gozunda wrote: »

Reckon we urgently need a vaccination to help cure "curtain twitcheritis" a malady where people imagine everyone they don't agree with have moving curtains or something...

Funny enough same condition seems to cause immense forgetfulness that the reason for restrictions us to help keep the infection rate down and that health services can continue to cope - whilst we're currently rolling out a vaccination programme which will directly help everyone back to work and living their lives.

You joke as yet another attempt to deflect from the point, but you have accidentally hit upon a very real issue nonetheless

The division and suspicion and reporting on others that this whole mess has provoked is a very real problem that won't be easily cured.

We've always had a culture where some spend more time bothering themselves about what others have, do, get, or are getting away with that they themselves aren't. Covid-19 has ramped that mentality up to ridiculous levels in the past 12 months.

Unwinding that, and the damage it's done to communities, families and friendships will take a lot longer, and have more lasting effects on our society.

_Kaiser_ · 07-04-2021 10:33AM

Boggles wrote: »

Truth? Brilliant.

What numbers are you referencing and what is the definition of sick?

Oh please.. Really?

Less than 5 thousand deaths from a population of 4.9 million people over a period of 12 months is a very very small number in that perspective, and less again when you consider that most of those deaths were among people with serious underlying/end stage conditions anyway.

That's the reality. It's sad, it's unfortunate most definitely, but people die. Covid restrictions are and were never going to somehow prevent death itself.

As for sick. Unless you actually have serious symptoms that can't be treated by rest and over the counter medication then you aren't particularly sick. You certainly aren't sick if you don't even realise you have Covid without a test telling you so.

I'd suggest you stop there.

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