Relaxation of Restrictions, Part X *Read OP For Mod Warnings*

gozunda

copeyhagen wrote: »

ask spain and sweden

Ask them what exactly?

Anyway I thought we weren't allowed to compare our situation with other countries on this thread?

growleaves

Boris is attributing his political success to Johnson and Johnson.

If he were less modest he could attribute his political success to Johnson and Johnson and Johnson.

copeyhagen

Doctor Jimbob wrote: »

Leo's got a sniff of a shift in public opinion so he's testing the waters. If his comments aren't met with people calling him a granny killer he'll be ramping his talk up in no time.

yeah, nows his chance to stab MM in the back

Beasty

Doctor Jimbob wrote: »

Leo's got a sniff of a shift in public opinion so he's testing the waters. If his comments aren't met with people calling him a granny killer he'll be ramping his talk up in no time.

We've said this numerous times across the forum

Drop all this "granny killer" stuff

JRant

gozunda wrote: »

True - For every 1000 cases indoors there was 1 case outdoors as measured during lockdown and previous periods of restrictions on outdoor activities.

As was previously detailed - its not so much 'outdoor' activities per se. Rather what happens around / in conjunction with such activities.

Now remove the restrictions and imagine what will happen with that 1 in 1000 statistic ...

I pumped those figures into my "Dr Nolan Random Number Generator" model and have a concrete number of 2 in 1000.

You can't argue with science.

niallo27

JRant wrote: »

I pumped those figures into my "Dr Nolan Random Number Generator" model and have a concrete number of 2 in 1000.

You can't argue with science.

That's double the number, go back and do the numbers again.

VonLuck

CalamariFritti wrote: »

Its literally what it means. For every 1000 cases indoors there is 1 case outdoors.

My point is that you could be outside all day and not be anywhere near someone else. There are much fewer activities outdoors where you're in close proximity with people. If you compared a like for like scenario such as the one I mentioned earlier - a group of people indoors sitting around a dining table and a group of people outdoors at a picnic table - I wonder if it's closer to the 19/20 times originally claimed.

gozunda

JRant wrote: »

I pumped those figures into my "Dr Nolan Random Number Generator" model and have a concrete number of 2 in 1000.

You can't argue with science.

Wow I won't argue with your magic number generator Dr JRant!

normanoffside

https://www.thesun.ie/sport/football/6807768/england-host-euro-2020-boost-dublin/

So it looks like Dublin will lose its 4 Euro matches as it’s going to be the only of the 12 host cities not to offer UEFA a guarantee of any spectators.
Why is Covid so much worse in Ireland than any of the other host countries.

Looks like I’ll be taking my tickets over to England to watch a few matches.

PTH2009

normanoffside wrote: »

https://www.thesun.ie/sport/football/6807768/england-host-euro-2020-boost-dublin/

So it looks like Dublin will lose its 4 Euro matches as it’s going to be the only of the 12 host cities not to offer UEFA a guarantee of any spectators.
Why is Covid so much worse in Ireland than any of the other host countries.

Looks like I’ll be taking my tickets over to England to watch a few matches.

NPHET and spineless cowards in the government are the reason

hynesie08

normanoffside wrote: »

https://www.thesun.ie/sport/football/6807768/england-host-euro-2020-boost-dublin/

So it looks like Dublin will lose its 4 Euro matches as it’s going to be the only of the 12 host cities not to offer UEFA a guarantee of any spectators.
Why is Covid so much worse in Ireland than any of the other host countries.

Looks like I’ll be taking my tickets over to England to watch a few matches.

Hope you have your vaccine passport ready.

CalamariFritti

gozunda wrote: »

True - For every 1000 cases indoors there was 1 case outdoors as measured during lockdown and previous periods of restrictions on outdoor activities.

As was previously detailed - its not so much 'outdoor' activities per se. Rather what happens around / in conjunction with such activities.

Now remove the restrictions and imagine what will happen with that 1 in 1000 statistic ...

Whatever you think happens around these activities I dont care. 0.01% is 1 in a thousand not '15/20 times less likely' like Dr. Henry is trying to imply. And in fact he doesn't even give us those 15/20 times. The 1000 times turns miraculously and with no explanation into 15/20 times and then he tries to talk that away, too.

Complete spoofology and I dont care how you rationalise it for yourself its still spoofology.

JRant

niallo27 wrote: »

That's double the number, go back and do the numbers again.

The model is never wrong. Sometimes the variables I plug in are complete guesswork but it always spits out the right number.

JRant

gozunda wrote: »

Wow I won't argue with your magic number generator Dr JRant!

Thanks Gozunda, I didn't spend 7 years in college to be called Mr

It's not magic though, just simple math and science.

I simply used a little bit of the Bayesian theorem, mix in a little Drake equation and finish off with some quantum entanglement. Easy peasy lemon squeezy.

Henry.

JRant wrote: »

I pumped those figures into my "Dr Nolan Random Number Generator" model and have a concrete number of 2 in 1000.

You can't argue with science.

You're doing it wrong

Think of any number and multiply by 2

GT89

NPHET: Follow the science, follow the science, follow the science, follow the science, follow the science
The Science: 0.1% chance of catching the kung flu outdoors
NPHET: The science can be misleading

landofthetree

Ive given up all hope on this country.

No way Im sticking around for next winter if I can get work in the UK or elsewhere(construction professional).

I can see more lockdowns next winter. Sure they could happen all over the world but ours will be the hardest yet again.

GT89

landofthetree wrote: »

Ive given up all hope on this country.

No way Im sticking around for next winter if I can get work in the UK or elsewhere(construction professional).

I can see more lockdowns next winter. Sure they could happen all over the world but ours will be the hardest yet again.

Considering of getting out of here myself

Idbatterim

copeyhagen wrote: »

heard on the news earlier hospital numbers down 15% in a week. and pressure on the govt/Nphet to open outdoor dining straight away.. lovely

Too risky... very concerned... next 52 weeks critical...

gozunda

CalamariFritti wrote: »

Whatever you think happens around these activities I dont care. 0.01% is 1 in a thousand not '15/20 times less likely' like Dr. Henry is trying to imply. And in fact he doesn't even give us those 15/20 times. The 1000 times turns miraculously and with no explanation into 15/20 times and then he tries to talk that away, too. Complete spoofology and I dont care how you rationalise it for yourself its still spoofology.

Now that's what I call a proper fatuous comment. Well done btw ...

Where did I say any of that btw?

And no its not "what I think happens" btw. That's a conclusion from the article itself

the big issue was not the outdoor activity, but what happened either side of it.

And thats the rub. Until we get people vaccinated what happens in conjuction with all such group based activities are going carrying risk of infection.

Do the posters who thank these type of posts actually bother reading them at all - I wonder?

dalyboy

landofthetree wrote: »

https://twitter.com/CoynesGastropub/status/1379557581929074688

25% occupancy for indoor hospitality from September ?

25% occupancy?

Seriously?

How in the hell after 17 months of pubs being closed does anyone think that’s reasonable?

No business can possibly break even never mind be profitable at that level of occupancy.

We will be at 80% vaccinated population by September (according to the numpties in charge) so what’s this latest 25% BS about.

The pubs , nightclubs , hotels , gyms , pools , cinemas, restaurants etc etc should have ZERO vacancy limitations by September or beforehand.

They’ve put up with enough of this sh1t for long enough.

GT89

dalyboy wrote: »

25% occupancy for indoor hospitality from September ?

25% occupancy?

Seriously?

How in the hell after 17 months of pubs being closed does anyone think that’s reasonable?

No business can possibly break even never mind be profitable at that level of occupancy.

We will be at 80% vaccinated population by September (according to the numpties in charge) so what’s this latest 25% BS about.

The pubs , nightclubs , hotels , gyms , pools , cinemas, restaurants etc etc should have ZERO vacancy limitations by September or beforehand.

They’ve put up with enough of this sh1t for long enough.

Florida has been 100% occupancy since September 2020 and back to normal. No piles of dead bodies, no collapsed health system there.

PTH2009

What would 25% occupancy be ?

wouldn't be worth while for some of the smaller pubs

Penfailed

PTH2009 wrote: »

What would 25% occupancy be ?

wouldn't be worth while for some of the smaller pubs

Depends on what 100% occupancy is. It's a quarter of that.

dalyboy

GT89 wrote: »

Florida has been 100% occupancy since September 2020 and back to normal. No piles of dead bodies, no collapsed health system there.

Texas is open too. 100%.
They told their bio security nazis to sling their hook weeks ago.
Result ?
Recovering economies and no bodies piling up.

But our lads here are “following the science” (0.1% outside transmission warrants closure of golf courses and tennis courts ? Jesus wept ) and too busy making up bogeyman stories about fantasy “vaccine destroying variants” and such to realise the damage they’re doing to our country.

Disgusting cretins the lot of them

PTH2009

dalyboy wrote: »

Texas is open too. 100%.
They told their bio security nazis to sling their hook weeks ago.
Result ?
Recovering economies and no bodies piling up.

But our lads here are “following the science” (0.1% outside transmission warrants closure of golf courses and tennis courts ? Jesus wept ) and too busy making up bogeyman stories about fantasy “vaccine destroying variants” and such to realise the damage they’re doing to our country.

Disgusting cretins the lot of them

Wrestlemania is happening in Florida this weekend in the same place that hosted the Superbowl a few months ago

Meanwhile in Ireland we lost hosting our games in the Euros because of our government been to scared to try and work towards getting events back up and running. This was prob our only chance to ever host a major finals in Dublin

hynesie08

PTH2009 wrote: »

Wrestlemania is happening in Florida this weekend in the same place that hosted the Superbowl a few months ago

Meanwhile in Ireland we lost hosting our games in the Euros because of our government been to scared to try and work towards getting events back up and running. This was prob our only chance to ever host a major finals in Dublin

But not with 100% occupancy, almost like desantis saying it doesn't make it so......

gozunda

GT89 wrote: »

Florida has been 100% occupancy since September 2020 and back to normal. No piles of dead bodies, no collapsed health system there.

Who claimed there was going to be "piles of dead bodies" or indeed a "collapsed health system there"? Sources?

I do wonder what's with the fixation with Florida (a single state in the US) in some covid threads? Maybe we could compare it to Cork?

But what's 100% normal? Florida has had nearly 34,000 deaths and 2.09 covid million cases out of a population of approx 22 million equivalent to a rate off 100,000 total cases per million (Ireland is under half that). And yes its known lots of older people from all over the US move there for retirement.

How's their health system coping?

It was not good for a while but It would appear that the most recent reported per-capita rate of Covid-19 patients for Florida hospitals inficates about 25% above the national average. And new patients are arriving at its hospital emergency departments at slightly higher rates than the rest of the country even though overall hospitalisation rates are down.

Good news generally on vaccinations rates however Florida has the one of highest estimated concentration of cases of the B.1.1.7 variant in the US and has been flagged as an issue of concern with just over 800 new cases there the week before last and 3192 today.

https://www.cdc.gov/coronavirus/2019-ncov/transmission/variant-cases.html

Hopefully they'll be able to keep a lid on that ...

What was the point you were making again?

Del Griffith

Florida should have imposed heavy restrictions like New York.

Oh no, wait..

Ted_YNWA

GT89 wrote: »

NPHET: Follow the science, follow the science, follow the science, follow the science, follow the science
The Science: 0.1% chance of catching the kung flu outdoors
NPHET: The science can be misleading

Mod

Can we move on from this childish name.