Travellers Carrickpherish

OhToBeByTheSea · 28-11-2020 9:46pm #1

An update on the chalet (Southfork) on the halting site.

https://waterford-news.ie/2020/11/26/enforcement-action-should-be-taken-on-unauthorised-chalet/

ENFORCEMENT action should be taken on an unauthorised structure located on the site of a proposed seven bay development before any decision is made on Part 8 Public Consultation, otherwise a Pandora’s Box will be opened, according to Cllr Joe Kelly.

The Independent Councillor said to do so would uphold the integrity of the planning process and ensure fairness and equal treatment for all individuals across the city and county.

Raising the proposed development at Carrickpherish at Tuesday’s Plenary meeting, Cllr Kelly stated that the map and plan posted on the Council’s website as part of the Part 8 Public Consultation shows an existing structure, which turned out to be a chalet that was put in without permission two years ago.

“That is an unauthorised structure, and I understand that a notice to that effect has been served on the people involved,” he said, posing the question of how the structure could be included in the Part 8 process.

Does anyone know if this issue has ever been raised before at one of these meetings? I'm just trying to figure out how it has been allowed to stay there for 2 years.

In the region of €750,000 is spent on a contract for maintenance and upkeep of halting sites, and Cllr Kelly feels that the Council more than delivers on its responsibility for the Traveller community.

€750,000!! I have a really crazy, radical suggestion, how about travellers be responsible for the upkeep of their own accommodation.

Cllr Joe Conway (Ind) supported Cllr Kelly, while Cllr John Hearne (SF) was disturbed to hear that the chalet is to stay, given that people in the west of Waterford can’t get permission to build a bungalow.

“We should all obey the law and if we don’t it’s a very poor outlook for all of us. I think it is two fingers to every law abiding person if someone comes along and says we are going to do this and we don’t care what you think,” he said.

Very true.

Does anyone know what way things work for travellers in other countries? Are taxpayers in other countries lumped with funding their lifestyles?

91wx763 · 28-11-2020 9:56pm

OhToBeByTheSea wrote: »

An update on the chalet (Southfork) on the halting site.

https://waterford-news.ie/2020/11/26/enforcement-action-should-be-taken-on-unauthorised-chalet/

Does anyone know if this issue has ever been raised before at one of these meetings? I'm just trying to figure out how it has been allowed to stay there for 2 years.

€750,000!! I have a really crazy, radical suggestion, how about travellers be responsible for the upkeep of their own accommodation.

Very true.

Does anyone know what way things work for travellers in other countries? Are taxpayers in other countries lumped with funding their lifestyles?

Reasonable though opinionated points but I can hear the keys rattling already on this one............

Wanderer78 · 29-11-2020 6:35am

OhToBeByTheSea wrote:

â‚¬750,000!! I have a really crazy, radical suggestion, how about travellers be responsible for the upkeep of their own accommodation.

Be interesting to know how much is spent on the upkeep of social housing in the region?

Azatadine · 29-11-2020 3:18pm

There seems to be a premeditated plan to concentrate the travellers in this location rather than have to accommodate them anywhere else around. As a knock on, no private estates will be built in the vicinity.

Such a pity as the schools there are very well maintained and a few well landscaped companies around there too like Sanofi, West and B&L.

The road is essentially a no go area though due to the travellers.

marlin vs · 30-12-2020 2:41pm

Funeral coming down the Carrickpherish rd this morning with a hearse and the old type round horse drawn caravan with a lot of people, social distancing out the window.I know you have to bury the dead but why can't they understand the danger?

Wanderer78 · 30-12-2020 3:14pm

marlin vs wrote: »

Funeral coming down the Carrickpherish rd this morning with a hearse and the old type round horse drawn caravan with a lot of people, social distancing out the window.I know you have to bury the dead but why can't they understand the danger?

because they ll be looked after better in the after life

Azatadine · 30-12-2020 8:56pm

Was getting diesel today and saw one of them coming out the shop and not a mask in sight on him or his wife (who came out a couple of mins later). He went back in again and came out after a few minutes. No mask, nothing.

OhToBeByTheSea · 30-12-2020 11:41pm

marlin vs wrote: »

Funeral coming down the Carrickpherish rd this morning with a hearse and the old type round horse drawn caravan with a lot of people, social distancing out the window.I know you have to bury the dead but why can't they understand the danger?

And Pavee Point will ask us to take pity on travellers as they are more at risk due to the way they live and their hygiene practices.

johnnykilo · 31-12-2020 3:07am

marlin vs wrote: »

Funeral coming down the Carrickpherish rd this morning with a hearse and the old type round horse drawn caravan with a lot of people, social distancing out the window.I know you have to bury the dead but why can't they understand the danger?

Was this related?

https://waterford-news.ie/2020/12/30/crowd-dispersed-after-gardai-respond-to-city-gathering

Motivator · 31-12-2020 10:15pm

Drove past the Gaelscoil this evening around 6.45 and saw a young guy of around 13 or 14 being assaulted by 3 or 4 others of a similar if not younger age. I had my two small children in their car seats with me so I couldn’t stop. I beeped the horn and shouted at them but couldn’t stop. They were laying into him with punches. An absolute kip that place has turned into. There were a couple of people walking towards them so hopefully they were more help to the poor young guy than I was.

Azatadine · 31-12-2020 10:47pm

Yeah, its a tough area for sure. Little scumbags drove across the road in front of me on a quad bike yesterday. Mounted the path and tore along there full pelt.

BBM77 · 31-12-2020 10:52pm

Motivator wrote: »

Drove past the Gaelscoil this evening around 6.45 and saw a young guy of around 13 or 14 being assaulted by 3 or 4 others of a similar if not younger age. I had my two small children in their car seats with me so I couldn’t stop. I beeped the horn and shouted at them but couldn’t stop. They were laying into him with punches. An absolute kip that place has turned into. There were a couple of people walking towards them so hopefully they were more help to the poor young guy than I was.

I cycled along there today. On the way out a young guy of around 13 or 14 jumped out at me as I cycled past to try knock me over. On the way back two jumped out swinging a stick. It was just attempt’s at intimidation thinking I live around there.

Have never lived around there but know the area from my school days and it was always nice area with nice people. I genuinely feel sorry for the people living around there because of what is happening.

Hoffmans · 02-01-2021 1:54am

Beginnings of an organised criminal gang , cab need to intervene now and nip it in the bud before its a warzone

Wanderer78 · 02-01-2021 8:37am

Hoffmans wrote:

Beginnings of an organised criminal gang , cab need to intervene now and nip it in the bud before its a warzone

Takes time for that to build evidence, but something needs to be done, urgently

friendlyfun · 02-01-2021 8:41am

Something needs to be done urgently. Should move the halting site out of it completely to somewhere else. It's turning into a tinder box atm.

Azatadine · 02-01-2021 10:48am

Nothing will be done about it. Its been ignored until now and they even want to add more bays.

I think its gone beyond the point of no return now.

Azatadine · 16-03-2021 8:09pm

The proposed extension to add more bays to the halting site there was well defeated yesterday I hear. Good.

Wanderer78 · 17-03-2021 8:46am

Azatadine wrote:

The proposed extension to add more bays to the halting site there was well defeated yesterday I hear. Good.

Passed through there last week, Jesus you d feel for the locals

StringerBell · 17-03-2021 8:14pm

I'd feel for people who will be desperate enough to buy a house in the area, particularly the new build across the road.

Still though, if you can tell me where else I can get the entertainment of seeing a curly haired man in a vest and shorts doing aerobics on a set of kango boots in the mornings I'd like to hear it!

Azatadine · 18-03-2021 9:04pm

https://waterford-news.ie/2021/03/18/proposal-for-seven-halting-site-bays-defeated/

Wanderer78 · 19-03-2021 8:44am

^^^stick Gallagher and Ryan into a house there for a while, and see do they change their minds!

Wanderer2010 · 19-03-2021 9:06am

That Grimes fellow is useless, the cheek of him to say they are dealing with anti social behavior. They are doing fcuk all about it, the travellers rule the roost up there and he knows it.

Azatadine · 19-03-2021 9:20am

Eamonn Quinlan has always voiced his concerns about that place to be fair to him.

I can't see how anyone would like to live in the front row of that new estate opposite them.....imagine looking at that squalor every day plus the antisocial behaviour.

I think the land beside the Gaelscoil is also to be developed so they will soon be running out of land to take over for their horses. Interesting to see what will happen then.

aziz · 19-03-2021 10:21am

Well they are “travellers “ they can head off

Wanderer2010 · 19-03-2021 1:04pm

Azatadine wrote: »

Eamonn Quinlan has always voiced his concerns about that place to be fair to him.

I can't see how anyone would like to live in the front row of that new estate opposite them.....imagine looking at that squalor every day plus the antisocial behaviour.

I think the land beside the Gaelscoil is also to be developed so they will soon be running out of land to take over for their horses. Interesting to see what will happen then.

Yeah, im struggling to see how anybody bar greedy landlords offering short term rentals would choose to live in one of the new houses opposite the travellers. One look would be enough to put you off. It might become Templars Hall mark 2, a complete and utter no go area of travellers and students. Nobody seems to want to do anything about it so the problem will remain.
I wonder how long a halting site would last if they set up home in Kings Channel? Mind you, the guards are so scared of the travellers that nothing would be done in that situation either!

Motivator · 04-04-2021 8:35pm

Is there something going on with this crowd this evening? Blue lights all over the Carrickphierish Rd at the minute.

05-04-2021 8:22pm

Motivator wrote: »

Is there something going on with this crowd this evening? Blue lights all over the Carrickphierish Rd at the minute.

There was a car crash involving a bus.

hardybuck · 07-04-2021 9:42am

I went up for a drive up around here before Christmas (when conditions last allowed for it). Based around comments in this thread I was expecting some type of warzone and my car to come under attack as I hastily made my exit.

Couldn't believe how normal everything was. Didn't see any rubbish - perhaps it'd just been cleaned. No roaming packs of thugs.

Anyone who thinks this area is bad should take a spin around the tougher parts of Limerick, Cork, Dublin or Belfast - you'll see proper poverty there.

People should rightly call out antisocial behaviour - however I'd encourage posters to contact the Gardai and their local representatives every time they post a complaint in this thread - at least then you'd be doing something constructive.

BBM77 · 07-04-2021 10:55am

hardybuck wrote: »

I went up for a drive up around here before Christmas (when conditions last allowed for it). Based around comments in this thread I was expecting some type of warzone and my car to come under attack as I hastily made my exit.

Couldn't believe how normal everything was. Didn't see any rubbish - perhaps it'd just been cleaned. No roaming packs of thugs.

Anyone who thinks this area is bad should take a spin around the tougher parts of Limerick, Cork, Dublin or Belfast - you'll see proper poverty there.

People should rightly call out antisocial behaviour - however I'd encourage posters to contact the Gardai and their local representatives every time they post a complaint in this thread - at least then you'd be doing something constructive.

Understand what you are saying. However, I used to cycle along the Carrickpherish road at least once a week but stopped because it felt too intimidating and risky with travellers on both sides of the road and there was a loose horse once which clearly is very dangerous for cyclists.

Like you at Christmas I decided to cycle long the Carrickpherish road to see how things were. On the way out a teenager pretended to be tying his shoe laces and as I passed jumped at me to try and knock me of my bike. On the way back a teenager from a roaming packs of thugs ran at me waving a stick to intimidate me.

As you say, I know Waterford is more prosperous than many parts of the country, the begrudgery we get is a sign of that. However, there is a rough crowd after moving in around the Carrickpherish road. You have to be careful. It is different when you are driving.

E38E3E38E3EE33 · 07-04-2021 1:28pm

hardybuck wrote: »

I went up for a drive up around here before Christmas (when conditions last allowed for it). Based around comments in this thread I was expecting some type of warzone and my car to come under attack as I hastily made my exit.

Couldn't believe how normal everything was. Didn't see any rubbish - perhaps it'd just been cleaned. No roaming packs of thugs.

Anyone who thinks this area is bad should take a spin around the tougher parts of Limerick, Cork, Dublin or Belfast - you'll see proper poverty there.

People should rightly call out antisocial behaviour - however I'd encourage posters to contact the Gardai and their local representatives every time they post a complaint in this thread - at least then you'd be doing something constructive.

Someone got shot twice up there, but shur you took a spin up there so it must be grand.

spaceCreated · 07-04-2021 1:39pm

hardybuck wrote: »

I went up for a drive up around here before Christmas (when conditions last allowed for it). Based around comments in this thread I was expecting some type of warzone and my car to come under attack as I hastily made my exit.

Couldn't believe how normal everything was. Didn't see any rubbish - perhaps it'd just been cleaned. No roaming packs of thugs.

Anyone who thinks this area is bad should take a spin around the tougher parts of Limerick, Cork, Dublin or Belfast - you'll see proper poverty there.

People should rightly call out antisocial behaviour - however I'd encourage posters to contact the Gardai and their local representatives every time they post a complaint in this thread - at least then you'd be doing something constructive.

The rubbish is being cleaned up by the council, costing 7-8k a week iirc, Waterford News and Star have done a piece on it this week.

hardybuck · 08-04-2021 11:08am

E38E3E38E3EE33 wrote: »

Someone got shot twice up there, but shur you took a spin up there so it must be grand.

And on the 'posh' side of town, around the same period, a teenager got acid thrown into his face. But that's on the posh side of town so that's grand.

As I pointed out, antisocial behaviour should be called out, and there are more constructive ways to do that than moaning in this thread about it.

E38E3E38E3EE33 · 08-04-2021 1:59pm

hardybuck wrote: »

And on the 'posh' side of town, around the same period, a teenager got acid thrown into his face. But that's on the posh side of town so that's grand.

As I pointed out, antisocial behaviour should be called out, and there are more constructive ways to do that than moaning in this thread about it.

I had to call the gardai twice up there about a beating I witnessed, no gardai came in the time I was there. Maybe you should take more than a few spins up there and you might have a similar experience instead of moaning about people moaning on here.

hardybuck · 08-04-2021 2:14pm

E38E3E38E3EE33 wrote: »

I had to call the gardai twice up there about a beating I witnessed, no gardai came in the time I was there. Maybe you should take more than a few spins up there and you might have a similar experience instead of moaning about people moaning on here.

I have lots of experience of antisocial behaviour. I have had lots of interaction with members of the travelling community.

I'm not blind to the issues, and I'd say that was a frustrating experience involving the Gardai.

I am however bemused at some of the whinging of some here about it. I suspect some people here will overlook similar types of behaviour displayed in settled areas. While I want to avoid repeating myself, if you think this area is bad - go to any of the other cities and you'll see much worse.

killbillvol2 · 08-04-2021 8:05pm

E38E3E38E3EE33 wrote: »

I had to call the gardai twice up there about a beating I witnessed, no gardai came in the time I was there. Maybe you should take more than a few spins up there and you might have a similar experience instead of moaning about people moaning on here.

You're saying he should go up there more often until he witnesses a beating? What's the best time to go up?

E38E3E38E3EE33 · 09-04-2021 10:50am

killbillvol2 wrote: »

You're saying he should go up there more often until he witnesses a beating? What's the best time to go up?

Strap a few copper pipes to yourself and go for a run there

Hodger · 11-04-2021 9:03pm

spaceCreated wrote: »

The rubbish is being cleaned up by the council, costing 7-8k a week iirc, Waterford News and Star have done a piece on it this week.

I read the article you speak of to no surprise no fines has being issued to anyone in question over it compare that in contrast to local news earlier this week that the council sent a warning email threatening to fine a woman over busking in the town centre, our local council sure have their priorities with things.

Wanderer78 · 12-04-2021 6:50am

Hodger wrote:

I read the article you speak of to no surprise no fines has being issued to anyone in question over it compare that in contrast to local news earlier this week that the council sent a warning email threatening to fine a woman over busking in the town centre, our local council sure have their priorities with things.

Everyone's scaried of them, and understandable so, but this can't going on

Asdfgh2020 · 12-04-2021 7:23am

Hodger wrote: »

I read the article you speak of to no surprise no fines has being issued to anyone in question over it compare that in contrast to local news earlier this week that the council sent a warning email threatening to fine a woman over busking in the town centre, our local council sure have their priorities with things.

€8000 weekly for council to clean up the rubbish......? Seems excessive, are they steam cleaning each caravan and stables also?

Must make a trip up that way some day to see what it’s like, I take it walking or cycling is way to risky......will have to be by car or by the way things are described is that even wise...?

Wanderer78 · 12-04-2021 7:26am

Asdfgh2020 wrote:

Must make a trip up that way some day to see what itâ€™s like, I take it walking or cycling is way to risky......will have to be by car or by the way things are described is that even wise...?

Walking and cycling would be risky, it's a disaster zone alright, living there must be hell

Azatadine · 12-04-2021 7:55am

Yeah, I'd avoid walking up there for sure. You could cycle by alright I'd say.

I dont know how much it costs to haul away their rubbish but it's not unusual to see mattresses and other household items fecked out on the side the road.

It'll be interesting to see how those new houses change the dynamic up there.

They won't have the whole road to themselves any more and the land for them to steal to feed the horses is starting to get reduced. There's a big development going in beside the Gaelscoil too I think so that'll reduce their land stealing further.

Wanderer78 · 12-04-2021 9:20am

Azatadine wrote: »

Yeah, I'd avoid walking up there for sure. You could cycle by alright I'd say.

I dont know how much it costs to haul away their rubbish but it's not unusual to see mattresses and other household items fecked out on the side the road.

It'll be interesting to see how those new houses change the dynamic up there.

They won't have the whole road to themselves any more and the land for them to steal to feed the horses is starting to get reduced. There's a big development going in beside the Gaelscoil too I think so that'll reduce their land stealing further.

cant see it changing much at all, it ll probably just be a bigger no go area. maybe if we all started ditching our waste around the place, things might change

Azatadine · 12-04-2021 10:58am

That's the fear alright. Might actually make the entire area a no go altogether.

Azatadine · 09-06-2021 6:39am

That estate opposite the halting site is going up fast! Passed by on Saturday and big progress in relation to the build.

Wanderer78 · 09-06-2021 6:58am

Azatadine wrote:

That estate opposite the halting site is going up fast! Passed by on Saturday and big progress in relation to the build.

.... And only desperate people will end up in them, what a sh1t show!

Azatadine · 09-06-2021 7:56am

Wanderer78 wrote: »

.... And only desperate people will end up in them, what a sh1t show!

I was just thinking that myself too. Imagine ending up in one of the front row with a view into the halting site and the state of it. Nice.....

Wanderer78 · 09-06-2021 9:17am

Azatadine wrote: »

I was just thinking that myself too. Imagine ending up in one of the front row with a view into the halting site and the state of it. Nice.....

its a dreadful situation, it shows our governments contempt to the seriousness of these situations, they actually dont give a sh1te about these desperate folks, its disgraceful, future elections are gonna be extremely angry affairs, and rightfully so

friendlyfun · 09-06-2021 9:55am

Bet it would be fun to live there

shockwave · 09-06-2021 1:05pm

friendlyfun wrote: »

Bet it would be fun to live there

Just build a 20ft wall around the house with razor wire on top and you're all set.

friendlyfun · 09-06-2021 2:09pm

https://youtu.be/0MKil-x5HUg

Found this video about Kilbarry in 2007. Similar problems and nothing learned since. 12 families in the bays and about 20 their illegally.

Wanderer78 · 09-06-2021 2:31pm

friendlyfun wrote: »

https://youtu.be/0MKil-x5HUg

Found this video about Kilbarry in 2007. Similar problems and nothing learned since. 12 families in the bays and about 20 their illegally.

we dont actually really know what to do about travelers, but we certainly keep making it worse

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