Are we there yet? Your second Travel Megathread (threadbans in OP}

05-04-2021 01:35PM

faceman wrote: »

You really dont have to justify yourself here. The merely fact that someone would have a dig at you for sharing your sentiment on the government just because you live abroad shows the ignorance that many people have.

It boils down to good old fashioned Irish begrudgery and nastiness. The Bono complex.

And as for the high horsers who claim they have followed the rules since March 2020, to borrow their words, "People can't be trusted to quarantine".
Same can be said about those who claim to be "following the rules" since 2020 :rolleyes:

Is this directed at me?
I didn't have a dig at anyone, I asked a question because I thought that poster said a few months ago that he lived in the middle East, his post yesterday read like he lived here.
I'm not sure why you could think I'm begrudging about people living overseas? I've lived overseas myself, and I will be again in 8 years.
You're all so quick to jump on anyone that dares to admit to following the rules, that is wrong.
I think that poster took offence when there was no need

faceman · 05-04-2021 01:43PM

bubblypop wrote: »

Is this directed at me?
I didn't have a dig at anyone, I asked a question because I thought that poster said a few months ago that he lived in the middle East, his post yesterday read like he lived here.
I'm not sure why you could think I'm begrudging about people living overseas? I've lived overseas myself, and I will be again in 8 years.
You're all so quick to jump on anyone that dares to admit to following the rules, that is wrong.
I think that poster took offence when there was no need

No it’s not a dig at you. If it was I’d have named you. It doesn’t matter anyway who said those things anyway, I’m just offering my perspective on it

josip · 05-04-2021 02:35PM

faceman wrote: »

It’s politics. Donnelly is an at risk minister. He’s not popular in his own party and certainly hasn’t been popular among the public. The shinners are tipped to replace him in his constituency. So how he’s tackling it is essentially adapting the travel policy the Shinners want - MHQ. That way he *may* keep voters in his constituency happy

Incidentally the shinners are full of sh1t anyway. They want MHQ for all yet go silent when you ask them if that means closing the NI border. Dozy ****.

So is MHQ a Donnelly-only initiative or does he also have the support of NPHET in his crusade?

faceman · 05-04-2021 02:52PM

josip wrote: »

So is MHQ a Donnelly-only initiative or does he also have the support of NPHET in his crusade?

NPHET want planet earth on the MHQ list indefinitely

dalyboy · 05-04-2021 03:42PM

faceman wrote: »

NPHET want planet earth on the MHQ list indefinitely

While trying to pretend they’ve not been bought over by zero covid loons.

fm · 05-04-2021 03:44PM

josip wrote: »

So is MHQ a Donnelly-only initiative or does he also have the support of NPHET in his crusade?

It's all Nphet with their travel expert advisory group, Donnelly hardly came up with this **** on his own. Nphet again on radio today with the usual-variants, variants, variants

Corholio · 05-04-2021 03:47PM

Don't let NPHET see the new Loki trailer on Disney+, where Loki is branded a 'variant'. That'll be Asgard added to the MHQ list now :P

caveat emptor · 05-04-2021 06:32PM

faceman wrote: »

You really dont have to justify yourself here. The merely fact that someone would have a dig at you for sharing your sentiment on the government just because you live abroad shows the ignorance that many people have.

It boils down to good old fashioned Irish begrudgery and nastiness. The Bono complex.

And as for the high horsers who claim they have followed the rules since March 2020, to borrow their words, "People can't be trusted to quarantine".
Same can be said about those who claim to be "following the rules" since 2020 :rolleyes:

In fairness the person was talking about who they'll vote for next because of this and their local FG TD. etc

I'm not sure who the local FG TD is in the Middle East but Ya can't vote for them if you don't live in Ireland. Unless you suggest testing the constitutionality of that?

Sounds like they've got a particular issue though with the issuing of visas to spouses which sounds extremely **** so I wouldn't be dismissive of their anger. Hopefully they get it sorted soon.

Hellrazer · 05-04-2021 08:24PM

fm wrote: »

It's all Nphet with their travel expert advisory group, Donnelly hardly came up with this **** on his own.

Donnelly wouldn't have the intelligence to come up with something like this.
Hes better off getting out his coloured crayons and coming up with a list or something.

Nphet again on radio today with the usual-variants, variants, variants

Yet the UK said variants dont bother them and their plan for reopening up.

Micky 32 · 05-04-2021 08:29PM

Hellrazer wrote: »

Donnelly wouldn't have the intelligence to come up with something like this.
Hes better off getting out his coloured crayons and coming up with a list or something.

Yet the UK said variants dont bother them and their plan for reopening up.

I see Varadkar now saying they aren’t as worried about variants now as they used to be.

KanyeSouthEast · 05-04-2021 08:33PM

Sad state of affairs when Varadkar is the voice of reason. Although in fairness to him he is
Miles ahead of that clown from Cork and at least stood up to NPHET before the mob shouted him down.

Ray Donovan · 05-04-2021 08:51PM

Micky 32 wrote: »

I see Varadkar now saying they aren’t as worried about variants now as they used to be.

You couldn't link a source could you?

Micky 32 · 05-04-2021 08:56PM

Ray Donovan wrote: »

You couldn't link a source could you?

In the video toward the end.

https://twitter.com/leovaradkar/status/1379060977518395399?s=21

kerrylad1 · 05-04-2021 09:05PM

This is like something out of father ted.My dad is sitting at home drinking a cup of tea after his 2 week break in lanza,but the 2 ladies that flew in from Dubai are in mountjoy.What is the difference from a lanza pcr to a Dubai pcr?

05-04-2021 09:06PM

kerrylad1 wrote: »

This is like something out of father ted.My dad is sitting at home drinking a cup of tea after his 2 week break in lanza,but the 2 ladies that flew in from Dubai are in mountjoy.What is the difference from a lanza pcr to a Dubai pcr?

Well thats another incorrect statement:rolleyes:

Happydays2020 · 05-04-2021 09:08PM

kerrylad1 wrote: »

This is like something out of father ted.My dad is sitting at home drinking a cup of tea after his 2 week break in lanza,but the 2 ladies that flew in from Dubai are in mountjoy.What is the difference from a lanza pcr to a Dubai pcr?

Point well made. It seems the ladies are now in the hotel but there will be a constitutional challenge of the legislation.

Corholio · 05-04-2021 09:13PM

Micky 32 wrote: »

I see Varadkar now saying they aren’t as worried about variants now as they used to be.

That's not quite what he said.

He said if it turns out the vaccines work against all variants then they won't need to be as worried about the variants, but it's an evolving situation.

I actually wished he did say that, but he was diplomatic in how he said it.

Micky 32 · 05-04-2021 09:16PM

Corholio wrote: »

That's not quite what he said.

He said if it turns out the vaccines work against all variants then they won't need to be as worried about the variants, but it's an evolving situation.

I actually wished he did say that, but he was diplomatic in how he said it.

There’s lot of info out there that suggest they do. You are nitpicking, the usual on these forums.

Corholio · 05-04-2021 09:17PM

Micky 32 wrote: »

There’s lot of info out there that suggest they do. You are nitpicking, the usual on these forums.

Oh I agree with you, just saying that's not quite what he said unfortunately.

kerrylad1 · 05-04-2021 09:17PM

Niner leprauchan wrote: »

Well thats another incorrect statement:rolleyes:

Enlighten me

05-04-2021 09:20PM

kerrylad1 wrote: »

Enlighten me

Try reading / watching the news. They are in the hotel isolating.

If your father refuses to isolate, he will be subject to prosecution as well and in that case would also find himself in Mountjoy until he did agree to isolate

gozunda · 05-04-2021 09:22PM

kerrylad1 wrote: »

This is like something out of father ted.My dad is sitting at home drinking a cup of tea after his 2 week break in lanza,but the 2 ladies that flew in from Dubai are in mountjoy.What is the difference from a lanza pcr to a Dubai pcr?

Dubai is on the list because of the high level prevalence of the South African variant there. And whilst that has been detected here in small number of caes - the ban aims to prevent increased numbers of this strain being imported.

The problem with PCR?

PCR is at best a snapshot in time. Once taken - it does not stop someone contacting covid whilst in transit, in the airport or flying. There is also an issue with false negatives...

Your dad whilst breaking the travel advisory- did not travel to and from a country on the red list and therefore can quarantine at home ...

Corholio · 05-04-2021 09:27PM

gozunda wrote: »

Dubai is on the list because of the high level prevalence of the South African variant there. And whilst that has been detected here in small number of caes - the ban aims to prevent increased numbers of this strain being imported.

The problem with PCR?

PCR is at best a snapshot in time. Once taken - it does not stop someone contacting covid whilst in transit, in the airport or flying.

Your dad whilst breaking the travel advisory- did not travel to and from a country on the banned list and therefore can quarantine at home ...

I agree mostly with your point but saying a PCR is a 'snapshot in time' isn't correct imo. It means you almost certainly do not have covid up until the point the test is taken. Of course you 'could' catch it after, but it's more than a snapshot as it as close to confirming all the prevailing time before getting the test, not just a 'snapshot'.

kerrylad1 · 05-04-2021 09:28PM

Niner leprauchan wrote: »

Try reading / watching the news. They are in the hotel isolating.

If your father refuses to isolate, he will be subject to prosecution as well and in that case would also find himself in Mountjoy until he did agree to isolate

No judge will lock up a 70 odd year old.You know this.Who are you or any guard to tell anyone,their travel is not essential?

05-04-2021 09:37PM

kerrylad1 wrote: »

No judge will lock up a 70 odd year old.You know this.Who are you or any guard to tell anyone,their travel is not essential?

This is just ridiculous, a guard is there to uphold the law. The law makes provision for gardai to issue fines for non essential travel. What do you think gives gardai the right?

kerrylad1 · 05-04-2021 09:40PM

gozunda wrote: »

Dubai is on the list because of the high level prevalence of the South African variant there. And whilst that has been detected here in small number of caes - the ban aims to prevent increased numbers of this strain being imported.

The problem with PCR?

PCR is at best a snapshot in time. Once taken - it does not stop someone contacting covid whilst in transit, in the airport or flying. There is also an issue with false negatives...

Your dad whilst breaking the travel advisory- did not travel to and from a country on the red list and therefore can quarantine at home ...

Red list.What a load of bull.Did you actually look at the countries on the list before posting that.

05-04-2021 09:42PM

kerrylad1 wrote: »

No judge will lock up a 70 odd year old.You know this.Who are you or any guard to tell anyone,their travel is not essential?

Yes, if the person refused to isolate then the judge will have zero option but to remand in custody. Age is not a get out of jail card when you are standing in front of the judge admitting you intend to continue offending. They certainly wont want to lock him up but they will.

Who am I or any Garda to tell anyone anything? Thats the law. Thats how the country operates. If you disagree then the courts are at your service

gozunda · 05-04-2021 09:45PM

Corholio wrote: »

I agree mostly with your point but saying a PCR is a 'snapshot in time' isn't correct imo. It means you almost certainly do not have covid up until the point the test is taken. Of course you 'could' catch it after, but it's more than a snapshot as it as close to confirming all the prevailing time before getting the test, not just a 'snapshot'.

Its not me saying that its a 'snapshot' test. Its described as such in scientific literature

On PCR testing

eg.see:

Provides a snapshot on the day of testing; cannot exclude that the traveller becomes positive on one of day(s) following the test, or is exposed to the virus after the test was
performed.

https://www.google.ie/url?sa=t&source=web&rct=j&url=https://www.ecdc.europa.eu/sites/default/files/documents/Guidelines_for_COVID-19_testing_and_quarantine_of_air_travellers-12-2020.pdf&ved=2ahUKEwjf4L-ph-jvAhWVTBUIHTuFDgUQFjAIegQICRAC&usg=AOvVaw1B1ghmrHSayIiJ2Jv90stN

Moreover, any test is just a snapshot of the moment the sample was taken.

https://www.bmj.com/content/372/bmj.n208

kerrylad1 · 05-04-2021 09:46PM

bubblypop wrote: »

This is just ridiculous, a guard is there to uphold the law. The law makes provision for gardai to issue fines for non essential travel. What do you think gives gardai the right?

Nonsence.Lock up 2 ladies in mountjoy for travelling to dubai, but yet a scumbag with 20 previous convictions gets off with a slap on the wrist for robbing a old folks house.

Del Griffith · 05-04-2021 09:46PM

gozunda wrote: »

The problem with PCR?

PCR is at best a snapshot in time. Once taken - it does not stop someone contacting covid whilst in transit, in the airport or flying. There is also an issue with false negatives...

Ridiculous stance, travel aside sure all testing is pointless then - you might not have it when you get tested, but you could get it in the testing centre or on the way home.

Ergo, we should just stay quarantined 24/7, 365.

Solid plan.

Are we there yet? Your second Travel Megathread (threadbans in OP}

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