Are we there yet? Your second Travel Megathread (threadbans in OP}

Happydays2020 · 05-04-2021 10:28AM

Hellrazer wrote: »

That's quite scary that a health minister can go on a solo run.

Thing is Donnelly is that stupid he`d be the type of person to go and add EU countries to his master list while simultaneously destroying our economy and alienating our trading partners.

He needs to go - and if FG have any balls they`ll pull this coalition sooner rather than later.

The act requires that he consults with the Minister for Foreign Affairs. What if that Minister does not agree and Donnelly goes ahead anyway?

Hellrazer · 05-04-2021 10:32AM

dalyboy wrote: »

Only saving grace is the attorney general needs to be agreeable to sign off daft Donnellys plans.

So far the AG has more or less laughed at Donnellys hair brained plans (pun intended)

True but at the end of the day the current AG was appointed by FF - all the way back to 2007 with a few years break in between - and the AGs advice has always been not as transparent as people think.

It would make you wonder that if it all came down it would he side with his employers or the constitution.

Micky 32 · 05-04-2021 10:35AM

Happydays2020 wrote: »

https://data.oireachtas.ie/ie/oireachtas/act/2021/1/eng/enacted/a0121.pdf

It is all about the variants. But one wonders whether the countries designated already are in keeping with the legislation.

I know a lot of posters are probably hating me due to my recent posting but i really think we should be concerned about our future freedoms of travelling. The goal posts have moved to the variants it’s not about the actual virus anymore.

As long as Sars Cov2 is in the world the threat of variants will always be there. I really can’t see us being allowed to travel because of ‘ possible’ variants circulating the world. Unless we are lucky that vaccination could eradicate it by reducing transmission ( some evidence emerging that it could do). Sars cov 1 disappeared so who knows.

Hellrazer · 05-04-2021 10:35AM

Happydays2020 wrote: »

The act requires that he consults with the Minister for Foreign Affairs. What if that Minister does not agree and Donnelly goes ahead anyway?

I cant find anything that says he has to consult with the Minister for Foreign Affairs....Most of the papers are reporting that Donnelly can go it alone.

ZX7R · 05-04-2021 10:36AM

Happydays2020 wrote: »

https://data.oireachtas.ie/ie/oireachtas/act/2021/1/eng/enacted/a0121.pdf

It is all about the variants. But one wonders whether the countries designated already are in keeping with the legislation.

Well he kind shot himself in the foot, when ask why the uk wasn't added to the list his reply we are already infected by the English variant.
So is Germany, France and Poland his comment raised a fue eyebrows in European midea

Happydays2020 · 05-04-2021 10:36AM

Hellrazer wrote: »

True but at the end of the day the current AG was appointed by FF - all the way back to 2007 with a few years break in between - and the AGs advice has always been not as transparent as people think.

It would make you wonder that if it all came down it would he side with his employers or the constitution.

Is Donnelly popular with his colleagues?

Gael23 · 05-04-2021 10:37AM

Micky 32 wrote: »

Even though this could be true the problem is:

“”Mr Donnelly has the legal power to add countries to the list without the approval of Cabinet ministers.””

He needs he baking of the Attorney General who will say it breaks EU law.

Happydays2020 · 05-04-2021 10:38AM

ZX7R wrote: »

Well he kind shot himself in the foot, when ask why the uk wasn't added to the list his reply we are already infected by the English variant.
So is Germany, France and Poland his comment raised a fue eyebrows in European midea

I missed that was said. Anyone sensible knew this legislation was on shaky foundations. These have been exposed in the last week. It is like it was a new health toy to play with.

dalyboy · 05-04-2021 10:38AM

Hellrazer wrote: »

I cant find anything that says he has to consult with the Minister for Foreign Affairs....Most of the papers are reporting that Donnelly can go it alone.

“ Mr Donnelly has the legal power to add countries to the list without the approval of Cabinet ministers.

However, he does need the support of Attorney General Paul Gallagher. The Attorney General expressed concerns about the legality of plans to add more countries to the list last week.‘

https://www.breakingnews.ie/ireland/stephen-donnelly-preparing-to-add-more-countries-to-mandatory-quarantine-list-1106647.html

(4th paragraph)

Tazz T · 05-04-2021 10:39AM

ZX7R wrote: »

Ireland was one of eight European countries that voiced concerns about it, concerns about the use of antibodies certain and not having to quarantine on the back of negative test

FF/FG still voted for it.

Incidentally SF and others didn't.

My point is why did they vote for it if they have no intention of implementing it.

Hellrazer · 05-04-2021 10:39AM

dalyboy wrote: »

“ Mr Donnelly has the legal power to add countries to the list without the approval of Cabinet ministers.

However, he does need the support of Attorney General Paul Gallagher. The Attorney General expressed concerns about the legality of plans to add more countries to the list last week.‘

https://www.breakingnews.ie/ireland/stephen-donnelly-preparing-to-add-more-countries-to-mandatory-quarantine-list-1106647.html

(4th paragraph)

That's says Attorney General - nothing about Minister for Foreign Affairs.

Micky 32 · 05-04-2021 10:47AM

Meanwhile in Israel , i had a dream the other night. I’d swear Israel was put on a quarantine list. Nah it was just a dream……

https://twitter.com/segal_eran/status/1378786655679692802?s=21

Happydays2020 · 05-04-2021 10:49AM

Hellrazer wrote: »

That's says Attorney General - nothing about Minister for Foreign Affairs.

In the legislation https://data.oireachtas.ie/ie/oireachtas/act/2021/1/eng/enacted/a0121.pdf

Designated state
38E. (1)
Subject to subsection (3), the Minister may designate in writing any state (in this Act referred to as a ‘designated state’) where there is known to be sustained human transmission of Covid-19 or any variant of concern or from which there is a high risk of importation of infection or contamination with Covid-19 or any variant of concern by travel from that state.
(2) The Minister shall, as soon as practicable after a designation is made under subsection (1), ensure that the fact of such designation is published on a website maintained by the Minister or the Government.
(3) When making a designation under subsection (1), the Minister shall—
(a) have regard to the matters referred to in paragraphs (a) and (b) of section 31A(2) and paragraphs (a) to (e) of section 38A(2), subject to the modification that a reference in those paragraphs to Covid-19 shall be taken to include a reference to a variant of concern,
(b) have regard to the advice of the Chief Medical Officer of the Department of Health, and
(c) consult with the Minister for Foreign Affairs and such other Minister of the Government as the Minister considers appropriate having regard to the functions of that other Minister of the Government.
(4) The Minister shall on a regular basis review the situation in a state designated under subsection (1) and, shall, having regard to the matters referred to in subsection (3)(a) and (b) and having consulted in accordance with subsection (3)(c), revoke, in writing, a designation where appropriate.

dalyboy · 05-04-2021 10:50AM

Micky 32 wrote: »

Meanwhile in Israel , i had a dream the other night. I swear Israel was put on a quarantine list.

https://twitter.com/segal_eran/status/1378786655679692802?s=21

Shines a light on the farce that is the Irish MHQ system.

Micky 32 · 05-04-2021 10:51AM

dalyboy wrote: »

Shines a light on the farce that is the Irish MHQ system.

….and why my genuine concern for future non essential travel.

faceman · 05-04-2021 11:24AM

Micky 32 wrote: »

So why are they proposing it if that’s the case if they know it’s illegal?

It’s politics. Donnelly is an at risk minister. He’s not popular in his own party and certainly hasn’t been popular among the public. The shinners are tipped to replace him in his constituency. So how he’s tackling it is essentially adapting the travel policy the Shinners want - MHQ. That way he *may* keep voters in his constituency happy

Incidentally the shinners are full of sh1t anyway. They want MHQ for all yet go silent when you ask them if that means closing the NI border. Dozy ****.

normanoffside · 05-04-2021 11:26AM

faceman wrote: »

It’s politics. Donnelly is an at risk minister. He’s not popular in his own party and certainly hasn’t been popular among the public. The shinners are tipped to replace him in his constituency. So how he’s tackling it is essentially adapting the travel policy the Shinners want - MHQ. That way he *may* keep voters in his constituency happy

Incidentally the shinners are full of sh1t anyway. They want MHQ for all yet go silent when you ask them if that means closing the NI border. Dozy ****.

And there's no MHQ n the North where they are in government.

faceman · 05-04-2021 11:28AM

normanoffside wrote: »

And there's no MHQ n the North where they are in government.

Exactly. The shinners pander to what they think the people. And being in opposition is a cushy number

Those clowns could have potentially prevented Brexit as we know it by taking up their seats in Westminster but played their party line

Those useless clowns will never darken my doorstep

KanyeSouthEast · 05-04-2021 11:34AM

It’s amazing to think that despite being a year or more into this and would vaccines developed things are actually worse and getting worse by the day it seems for travel. I cannot for the life of me fathom what the end game is here from Donnelly et all. The usual blanket ban no dates no talk of end game just Lockdown4eva whether it’s hospitality travel retail etc. I feel ridiculous even typing this knowing what kind of ****ed up country this is.

UDAWINNER · 05-04-2021 11:36AM

faceman wrote: »

Exactly. The shinners pander to what they think the people. And being in opposition is a cushy number

Those clowns could have potentially prevented Brexit as we know it by taking up their seats in Westminster but played their party line

Those useless clowns will never darken my doorstep

Would not have a made any difference and their supporters know they will not take up its seats. You may be happier if they lied to their base and took up their seats for optics. Anyway I digress, thought this was the travel thread not another take pop at sf thread.

dalyboy · 05-04-2021 11:43AM

faceman wrote: »

It’s politics. Donnelly is an at risk minister. He’s not popular in his own party and certainly hasn’t been popular among the public. The shinners are tipped to replace him in his constituency. So how he’s tackling it is essentially adapting the travel policy the Shinners want - MHQ. That way he *may* keep voters in his constituency happy

Incidentally the shinners are full of sh1t anyway. They want MHQ for all yet go silent when you ask them if that means closing the NI border. Dozy ****.

That’s crazy stuff. When you think about it the shinners are by proxy running our travel policies with this puppet. (Using his health mandate to herd us into an exclusionary wasteland)

Red Silurian · 05-04-2021 11:46AM

normanoffside wrote: »

And there's no MHQ n the North where they are in government.

You mean the devolved government that they share power along with 4 other parties?

Ever wonder why it's always Sinn Fein gets blamed despite having just 26 of the 82 executive seats?

faceman wrote: »

Exactly. The shinners pander to what they think the people. And being in opposition is a cushy number

Those clowns could have potentially prevented Brexit as we know it by taking up their seats in Westminster but played their party line

Those useless clowns will never darken my doorstep

At least they run for seats in the north, more than you can say for the 2 biggest traditional parties in the south

ZX7R · 05-04-2021 12:26PM

So it appears that enhanced home quarantine from European countries not mhq is the answer for Donnelly.
That is prity much in line with the rest of Europe.

According to rte news.

shil.mar · 05-04-2021 12:27PM

Sorry to disturb your conversations, but as I understand can you flight abroad for health treatment issues? ( Including aesthetic and dental cares?)

faceman · 05-04-2021 12:32PM

shil.mar wrote: »

Sorry to disturb your conversations, but as I understand can you flight abroad for health treatment issues? ( Including aesthetic and dental cares?)

Correct

Ray Donovan · 05-04-2021 12:41PM

shil.mar wrote: »

Sorry to disturb your conversations, but as I understand can you flight abroad for health treatment issues? ( Including aesthetic and dental cares?)

Indeed you can.

Here are the reasons that allow you to travel. As you can see a teeth cleaning appointment gets you out of here:

To go to college or school if you have to be there in person

To go with a child or a vulnerable adult to school if they have to be there in person

To work or travel related to your business

To go to a medical or dental appointment, or to go to an appointment with someone you live with, or a vulnerable person

To seek essential medical, health or dental services, or to accompany someone you live with, or a vulnerable person who needs essential treatment

To care for a family member or for other vital family reasons

To go to a funeral

To meet a legal obligation (for example, to appear in court)

To give access to a child to the other parent of the child, or to access a child that you have a right of access to

To leave Ireland if you are not resident in Ireland

Taken from citizens information website.

TobyHolmes · 05-04-2021 12:44PM

ZX7R wrote: »

So it appears that enhanced home quarantine from European countries not mhq is the answer for Donnelly.
That is prity much in line with the rest of Europe.

According to rte news.

really? i thought his stance was he wanted to add more countries to the list and other ministers are pushing back and suggesting home quarantine instead.

why do they always make a mess of everything. surely they should have anticipated he'd want to add more countries to the list. but now they dont like the ones he has suggested. what was Plan B?

Oh i forgot - ireland doesnt do Plan B. when Plan A fails its fumble in the darkness.

its obvious the MHQ set up here is a mess and causing mass confusion.

Micky 32 · 05-04-2021 12:54PM

While there’s hope in the UK might get some of it’s freedoms back for it’s vaccinated:

“””Airports and airlines in Northern Ireland and Britain are hoping that the UK government eases Covid-19 travel bans on Monday””

This is our hope for Ireland:

“” several Sunday newspapers say that in the Republic, the Government could cave in to pressure from advisers and Minister for Health Stephen Donnelly, to add EU countries to its hotel quarantine regime.””

Now i’m not advocating anyone travelling at the moment but i hope once the masses are vaccinated these laws should be eased but i have my doubts.

TobyHolmes · 05-04-2021 01:03PM

Micky 32 wrote: »

While there’s hope in the UK might get some of it’s freedoms back for it’s vaccinated:

“””Airports and airlines in Northern Ireland and Britain are hoping that the UK government eases Covid-19 travel bans on Monday””

This is our hope for Ireland:

“” several Sunday newspapers say that in the Republic, the Government could cave in to pressure from advisers and Minister for Health Stephen Donnelly, to add EU countries to its hotel quarantine regime.””

Now i’m not advocating anyone travelling at the moment but i hope once the masses are vaccinated these laws should be eased but i have my doubts.

it will take a long time to roll back any MHQ measures and how will they accommodate adding a pile of new countries to the list - where will they put these people?

we should all be appalled at the farce that is being served to us for breakfast, lunch and dinner.

other countries have got it together,
while people in ireland have their mental health and well being continuously decline while we are waiting to be vaccinated (with no sign of when this will be)

when - in the US 4 million doses are being applied A DAY and 40% of all US residents vaccinated and once you are vaccinated you can travel withing the US

but look at here - even if you are vaccinated you are lucky if you can meet another vaccinated person indoors.
give me a break ireland

Micky 32 · 05-04-2021 01:29PM

TobyHolmes wrote: »

it will take a long time to roll back any MHQ measures and how will they accommodate adding a pile of new countries to the list - where will they put these people?

we should all be appalled at the farce that is being served to us for breakfast, lunch and dinner.

other countries have got it together,
while people in ireland have their mental health and well being continuously decline while we are waiting to be vaccinated (with no sign of when this will be)

when - in the US 4 million doses are being applied A DAY and 40% of all US residents vaccinated and once you are vaccinated you can travel withing the US

but look at here - even if you are vaccinated you are lucky if you can meet another vaccinated person indoors.
give me a break ireland

Yep, there are more talks about adding to the quarantine list later this week and the topic will be on how to accommodate then when they add more EU countries to the list.

“” The discussions will focus on the capacity of the hotels, whether there are sufficient staff and the legality of extending the list to more EU countries. ””

Are we there yet? Your second Travel Megathread (threadbans in OP}

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