Are we there yet? Your second Travel Megathread (threadbans in OP}

04-04-2021 10:04PM

kerrylad1 wrote: »

So there is 11 people per million in icu for our population.Yet you want my old lad to hide under his bed untill he pasdes away in a few years.?

Nope, never said that.

theguzman · 04-04-2021 10:07PM

Del Griffith wrote: »

Because it will show up this law as the farce that it is.

The Dubai 2, the heroes we need.

Those two women should surely end up with alot of compensation after the amount of disgraceful and disgusting defamatory comments made about them on social media and other sites. People are innocent until proven guilty in a court of law no matter what the allegation is. I hope they win their case, get compensation from the state and take the anonymous twitter trolls and other online bullies to court for what was written about them. I hope they clean everyone involved out.

kerrylad1 · 04-04-2021 10:15PM

theguzman wrote: »

Those two women should surely end up with alot of compensation after the amount of disgraceful and disgusting defamatory comments made about them on social media and other sites. People are innocent until proven guilty in a court of law no matter what the allegation is. I hope they win their case, get compensation from the state and take the anonymous twitter trolls and other online bullies to court for what was written about them. I hope they clean everyone involved out.

Well said.Why can my father,jog on to limerick the other day.When the same pcr test from dubai is not accepted.?

05-04-2021 04:18AM

bubblypop wrote: »

Don't you live in the middle east?

There is an insinuation in your question that because I don’t live in Ireland I have no stake in what goes on there.

- I am an Irish citizen. Ireland is my home, which I am temporarily away from.

- I have interests in Ireland — family, friends, property, investments.

- Despite living abroad, I spend at least three and sometimes four months in Ireland each year, including every Christmas with the exception of Christmas 2020.

- I pay a considerable amount of tax in Ireland each year. I contribute to the Irish economy in other ways, too.

- It remains my plan to move permanently back to Ireland in the relatively near future.

I will never submit to MHQ. I would never put my wife and children in that situation, where they are met by the army and detained like criminals in a facility. (It is so reprehensible that it is indeed an effective deterrent).

Personally, I have been very lucky in all this. My accommodation has a swimming pool and a gym. Everything is open - restaurants, schools, shops, private and public healthcare, beaches, hotels, ice-cream parlors, hairdressers, cinemas, carnivals and funfairs. My income has increased significantly through all this. I work from home and will continue to do so. I see my kids all day when they're not in school and take them swimming each afternoon, and to the carnival or cinema each weekend. I take them to school each day, and chat to their teachers. The airport is open here. If we can’t go to Ireland this year to see our family there, we will go to Seychelles or the Maldives instead. My wife and I are vaccinated, as are all our friends here.

Honestly, for me and my immediate family, these are halcyon days. However, while it's a very nice period of our lives, it is transient; the region is volatile; and we have no real rights here should anything go wrong.

Ireland is my home. It’s where I want to be long-term, where I want to raise my kids. It’s on fire and will soon be in cinders. It has been taken over by a coven of single-issue, zealous administrators who pull the strings of the weakest, most inept politicians the country has seen in years. But at least the salads are ready to go.

Happydays2020 · 05-04-2021 05:43AM

[Deleted User] wrote: »

There is an insinuation in your post that because I don’t live in Ireland I have no stake in what goes on there.

- I am an Irish citizen. Ireland is my home, which I am temporarily away from.

- I have interests in Ireland — family, friends, property, investments.

- Despite living abroad, I spend at least three and sometimes four months in Ireland each year, including every Christmas with the exception of Christmas 2020.

- I pay a considerable amount of tax in Ireland each year. I contribute to the Irish economy in other ways, too.

- It remains my plan to move permanently back to Ireland in the relatively near future.

I will never submit to MHQ. I would never put my wife and children in that situation, where they are met by the army and detained like criminals in a facility. (It is so reprehensible that it is indeed an effective deterrent).

Personally, I have been very lucky in all this. My accommodation has a swimming pool and a gym. Everything is open - restaurants, schools, shops, private and public healthcare, beaches, hotels, ice-cream parlors, hairdressers, cinemas, carnivals and funfairs. My income has increased significantly through all this. I work from home and will continue to do so. I see my kids all day when they're not in school and take them swimming each afternoon, and to the carnival or cinema each weekend. I take them to school each day, and chat to their teachers. The airport is open here. If we can’t go to Ireland this year to see our family there, we will go to Seychelles or the Maldives instead. My wife and I are vaccinated, as are all our friends here.

Honestly, for me and my immediate family, these are halcyon days. However, while it's a very nice period of our lives, it is transient; the region is volatile; and we have no real rights here should anything go wrong.

Ireland is my home. It’s where I want to be long-term, where I want to raise my kids. It’s on fire and will soon be in cinders. It has been taken over by a coven of single-issue, zealous administrators who pull the strings of the weakest, most inept politicians the country has seen in years. But at least the salads are ready to go.

Thanks for this. I, and others, will start looking at options abroad when this is all done. Covid has exposed a nastiness in Irish society that makes me very uncomfortable.

caveat emptor · 05-04-2021 07:17AM

I see the compo culture is alive and well. Looks like there are various figures based out of the Middle East that feel Mandatory Hotel Quarantine is detrimental to their business interests. Wonder why.....

The two ladies appear to be pawns in a wider game.

faceman · 05-04-2021 07:18AM

Deleted User wrote: »

There is an insinuation in your post that because I don’t live in Ireland I have no stake in what goes on there.

- I am an Irish citizen. Ireland is my home, which I am temporarily away from.

- I have interests in Ireland — family, friends, property, investments.

- Despite living abroad, I spend at least three and sometimes four months in Ireland each year, including every Christmas with the exception of Christmas 2020.

- I pay a considerable amount of tax in Ireland each year. I contribute to the Irish economy in other ways, too.

- It remains my plan to move permanently back to Ireland in the relatively near future.

I will never submit to MHQ. I would never put my wife and children in that situation, where they are met by the army and detained like criminals in a facility. (It is so reprehensible that it is indeed an effective deterrent).

Personally, I have been very lucky in all this. My accommodation has a swimming pool and a gym. Everything is open - restaurants, schools, shops, private and public healthcare, beaches, hotels, ice-cream parlors, hairdressers, cinemas, carnivals and funfairs. My income has increased significantly through all this. I work from home and will continue to do so. I see my kids all day when they're not in school and take them swimming each afternoon, and to the carnival or cinema each weekend. I take them to school each day, and chat to their teachers. The airport is open here. If we can’t go to Ireland this year to see our family there, we will go to Seychelles or the Maldives instead. My wife and I are vaccinated, as are all our friends here.

Honestly, for me and my immediate family, these are halcyon days. However, while it's a very nice period of our lives, it is transient; the region is volatile; and we have no real rights here should anything go wrong.

Ireland is my home. It’s where I want to be long-term, where I want to raise my kids. It’s on fire and will soon be in cinders. It has been taken over by a coven of single-issue, zealous administrators who pull the strings of the weakest, most inept politicians the country has seen in years. But at least the salads are ready to go.

You really dont have to justify yourself here. The merely fact that someone would have a dig at you for sharing your sentiment on the government just because you live abroad shows the ignorance that many people have.

It boils down to good old fashioned Irish begrudgery and nastiness. The Bono complex.

And as for the high horsers who claim they have followed the rules since March 2020, to borrow their words, "People can't be trusted to quarantine".
Same can be said about those who claim to be "following the rules" since 2020 :rolleyes:

Tazz T · 05-04-2021 09:00AM

UK to release details on their return to travel next week. Traffic light system that will require pre and post testing even for green countries.

That's a bit of a financial blow for those heading to Belfast for their holliers in May.

dalyboy · 05-04-2021 09:21AM

Tazz T wrote: »

UK to release details on their return to travel next week. Traffic light system that will require pre and post testing even for green countries.

That's a bit of a financial blow for those heading to Belfast for their holliers in May.

Johnson is releasing the details today not next week .

Traffic light system is perfectly acceptable imo.
Some countries in the system will require no more than an antigen test (€10-€15)

Financial blow ?
No matter how you cut it the “Belfast holliers” will end up many times cheaper than our rip off staycations would be. €250 per night in 4 star hotels in rainy county Clare was what some paid summer 2020 (with no facilities like gym or pool accessible)

Once bitten and all that ....

https://www.google.com/amp/s/www.independent.co.uk/travel/news-and-advice/covid-holidays-boris-johnson-travel-b1826155.html%3famp

tjhook · 05-04-2021 09:40AM

kerrylad1 wrote: »

My father, (late 70's)returned from lanzaorte yesterday.Just off the phone to him.He went for a run every morning and said it was bliss.Most evenings he just chilled reading a book watching the sun going down.He is not a drinker but thinks the bars closed around 10pm.No hassle at the airport.I think his flight out was at 6am so did not encounter any checkpoints.Waved on after checking pcr and passport on arrival at Dublin.Only odd thing he found was that you have to wear a mask walking around outside,but once ur sitting down for a meal,you can take it off.Other than that,he can not wait to return.

I think objectively, the risk to Ireland from his one trip is minimal.

The bigger risk is the reaction of the public to trips like this. If people who have been largely compliant up to now see a blind eye being shown to trips like this, many of them are likely to think "Here I am confined by law to my home except for essential purposes, but people (the very age group for whom I'm doing this) are traveling unnecessarily to the airport, then thousands of km to their holiday destination".

If people believe "we're *not* in all this together", they won't hold to the restrictions. As you've shown, it's not difficult to get around them. It could be people like your dad who end up paying the price if that happens.

caveat emptor · 05-04-2021 09:42AM

dalyboy wrote: »

Johnson is releasing the details today not next week .

Traffic light system is perfectly acceptable imo.
Some countries in the system will require no more than an antigen test (€10-€15)

Financial blow ?
No matter how you cut it the “Belfast holliers” will end up many times cheaper than our rip off staycations would be. €250 per night in 4 star hotels in rainy county Clare was what some paid summer 2020 (with no facilities like gym or pool accessible)

Once bitten and all that ....

https://www.google.com/amp/s/www.independent.co.uk/travel/news-and-advice/covid-holidays-boris-johnson-travel-b1826155.html%3famp

Yeah probably seems cheaper on paper. Just don't take a wrong turn. I'm sure they'd love to bump into someone looking for the airport with their free state plates. I'll be given it a miss for a while.

https://twitter.com/EliseiNicole/status/1378458913658527744?s=20

Micky 32 · 05-04-2021 09:42AM

Tazz T wrote: »

UK to release details on their return to travel next week. Traffic light system that will require pre and post testing even for green countries.

That's a bit of a financial blow for those heading to Belfast for their holliers in May.

Even for fully vaccinated people?

dalyboy · 05-04-2021 09:50AM

caveat emptor wrote: »

Yeah probably seems cheaper on paper. Just don't take a wrong turn. I'm sure they'd love to bump into someone looking for the airport with their free state plates. I'll be given it a miss for a while.

https://twitter.com/EliseiNicole/status/1378458913658527744?s=20

Dublin to Belfast airport by air coach is the solution to the issue.
Cheaper , safer and imo more comfortable than driving.

Gael23 · 05-04-2021 09:53AM

Tazz T wrote: »

UK to release details on their return to travel next week. Traffic light system that will require pre and post testing even for green countries.

That's a bit of a financial blow for those heading to Belfast for their holliers in May.

Will cost less than the fine you get for boarding a plane in Dublin

Micky 32 · 05-04-2021 09:54AM

Like i said this is only the begining:

https://www.breakingnews.ie/ireland/stephen-donnelly-preparing-to-add-more-countries-to-mandatory-quarantine-list-1106647.html

By the end of the year i predict most countries will be on it and won’t be lifted for years to come because of the variants. The future is bleak regarding travel so travel while you still can. Should keep some people happy though.

Tazz T · 05-04-2021 09:56AM

dalyboy wrote: »

Johnson is releasing the details today not next week .

Traffic light system is perfectly acceptable imo.
Some countries in the system will require no more than an antigen test (€10-€15)

Financial blow ?
No matter how you cut it the “Belfast holliers” will end up many times cheaper than our rip off staycations would be. €250 per night in 4 star hotels in rainy county Clare was what some paid summer 2020 (with no facilities like gym or pool accessible)

Once bitten and all that ....

https://www.google.com/amp/s/www.independent.co.uk/travel/news-and-advice/covid-holidays-boris-johnson-travel-b1826155.html%3famp

https://www.telegraph.co.uk/travel/advice/when-can-i-go-holiday-travel-abroad-allowed-2021-summer-europe/ full details once the travel taskforce make a decision in the 12th. It doesn't matter where you go the UK is requiring tests before and after. These are just as likely to be pcrs. Very costly for a family of 4

European digital cert us a much better system. The problem is will it get implemented here even though FF/fg voted for it?

Happydays2020 · 05-04-2021 09:58AM

Micky 32 wrote: »

Like i said this is only the begining:

https://www.breakingnews.ie/ireland/stephen-donnelly-preparing-to-add-more-countries-to-mandatory-quarantine-list-1106647.html

By the end of the year i predict most countries on it and won’t be lifted for years to come because of the variants.

Disturbing if this is the case. Dev will be pleased looking down. Isolationist policies and a reversal of all that open economy nonsense started by Whitaker and Lemass.

Gael23 · 05-04-2021 09:58AM

Micky 32 wrote: »

Like i said this is only the begining:

https://www.breakingnews.ie/ireland/stephen-donnelly-preparing-to-add-more-countries-to-mandatory-quarantine-list-1106647.html

By the end of the year i predict most countries will be on it and won’t be lifted for years to come because of the variants. The future is bleak regarding travel. Should keep some people happy though.

As already discussed doing this contravenes fundamental principles of EU membership. It can’t and won’t happen

Micky 32 · 05-04-2021 10:00AM

Gael23 wrote: »

As already discussed doing this contravenes fundamental principles of EU membership. It can’t and won’t happen

So why are they proposing it if that’s the case if they know it’s illegal?

Gael23 · 05-04-2021 10:02AM

Micky 32 wrote: »

So why are they proposing it if that’s the case if they know it’s illegal?

Donnelly talking out of his hole before studying the facts

dalyboy · 05-04-2021 10:06AM

Tazz T wrote: »

https://www.telegraph.co.uk/travel/advice/when-can-i-go-holiday-travel-abroad-allowed-2021-summer-europe/ full details once the travel taskforce make a decision in the 12th. It doesn't matter where you go the UK is requiring tests before and after. These are just as likely to be pcrs. Very costly for a family of 4

European digital cert us a much better system. The problem is will it get implemented here even though FF/fg voted for it?

About €80-€90 per test.
A bit of a cost burden for a family I agree however it’s still well worth getting done to escape Ireland.

I’ve a few single friends heading away on their todd in June and won’t return for 10-12 weeks. The costs of these tests will be a splash in the ocean compared to the overall return benefits.

Gael23 · 05-04-2021 10:08AM

dalyboy wrote: »

About €80-€90 per test.
A bit of a cost burden for a family I agree however it’s still well worth getting done to escape Ireland.

I’ve a few single friends heading away on their todd in June and won’t return for 10-12 weeks. The costs of these tests will be a splash in the ocean compared to the overall return benefits.

Are these the same PCR tests as here?

ZX7R · 05-04-2021 10:09AM

Tazz T wrote: »

https://www.telegraph.co.uk/travel/advice/when-can-i-go-holiday-travel-abroad-allowed-2021-summer-europe/ full details once the travel taskforce make a decision in the 12th. It doesn't matter where you go the UK is requiring tests before and after. These are just as likely to be pcrs. Very costly for a family of 4

European digital cert us a much better system. The problem is will it get implemented here even though FF/fg voted for it?

Ireland was one of eight European countries that voiced concerns about it, concerns about the use of antibodies certain and not having to quarantine on the back of negative test

dalyboy · 05-04-2021 10:16AM

Gael23 wrote: »

Are these the same PCR tests as here?

Afaik the Uk is planning on general pcr tests for travellers ie on your return to UK port you will need a clear PCR.
The destination country could be satisfied with a mere antigen test though.

ZX7R · 05-04-2021 10:16AM

Micky 32 wrote: »

So why are they proposing it if that’s the case if they know it’s illegal?

Because when they are told it's not possible, they can shift any blame from them and state they tried to follow the health advice given.

Micky 32 · 05-04-2021 10:18AM

Gael23 wrote: »

Donnelly talking out of his hole before studying the facts

Even though this could be true the problem is:

“”Mr Donnelly has the legal power to add countries to the list without the approval of Cabinet ministers.””

Micky 32 · 05-04-2021 10:19AM

ZX7R wrote: »

Because when they are told it's not possible, they can shift any blame from them and state they tried to follow the health advice given.

Either way they will still add the countries and get away with it.

Hellrazer · 05-04-2021 10:22AM

Micky 32 wrote: »

Even though this could be true the problem is:

“”Mr Donnelly has the legal power to add countries to the list without the approval of Cabinet ministers.””

That's quite scary that a health minister can go on a solo run.

Thing is Donnelly is that stupid he`d be the type of person to go and add EU countries to his master list while simultaneously destroying our economy and alienating our trading partners.

He needs to go - and if FG have any balls they`ll pull this coalition sooner rather than later.

dalyboy · 05-04-2021 10:23AM

Micky 32 wrote: »

Even though this could be true the problem is:

“”Mr Donnelly has the legal power to add countries to the list without the approval of Cabinet ministers.””

Only saving grace is the attorney general needs to be agreeable to sign off daft Donnellys plans.

So far the AG has more or less laughed at Donnellys hair brained plans (pun intended)

Happydays2020 · 05-04-2021 10:25AM

Micky 32 wrote: »

Either way they will still add the countries and get away with it.

https://data.oireachtas.ie/ie/oireachtas/act/2021/1/eng/enacted/a0121.pdf

It is all about the variants. But one wonders whether the countries designated already are in keeping with the legislation.

Are we there yet? Your second Travel Megathread (threadbans in OP}

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