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Covid 19 Part XXXIV-249,437 ROI(4,906 deaths) 120,195 NI (2,145 deaths)(01/05)Read OP

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  • #3062
    [Deleted User]
    Posts: 6,775 ✭✭✭ [Deleted User]


    Eod100 wrote: »
    2 arrested after refusing to quarantine. https://m.independent.ie/news/two-women-arrested-after-refusing-to-go-to-quarantine-hotel-when-returning-from-dubai-cosmetic-surgery-trip-40269485.html

    Pair of idiots.


  • #3063
    Marcusm
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 10,832 ✭✭✭✭Marcusm


    Gael23 wrote: »
    I’m not in favour if these walk in centres. I think it’s a ploy by NPHET to keep case numbers high

    While this post might outwardly seem to have a fair bit of “tin hat” to it, the fact is that Ireland has jumped from under 100k tests per week to 125k tests per week with the absolute number of positive tests remaining static. Whether that is a deliberate strategy or not, it does point to a level of incompatibility within the data where absolute numbers are used as the headline.


  • #3064
    Marcusm
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 10,832 ✭✭✭✭Marcusm


    Deleted User wrote: »
    Pair of idiots.

    Dochas Centre versus Crowne Plaza; I know which I would pick!


  • #3065
    FintanMcluskey
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 8,765 ✭✭✭FintanMcluskey


    Marcusm wrote: »
    While this post might outwardly seem to have a fair bit of “tin hat” to it, the fact is that Ireland has jumped from under 100k tests per week to 125k tests per week with the absolute number of positive tests remaining static. Whether that is a deliberate strategy or not, it does point to a level of incompatibility within the data where absolute numbers are used as the headline.

    Exactly.

    We’ve increased the amount of tests carried out dramatically and are now using the extra cases found as evidence of a possible “4th wave”.


  • #3066
    seamus
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 68,173 ✭✭✭✭seamus


    Eod100 wrote: »
    2 arrested after refusing to quarantine. https://m.independent.ie/news/two-women-arrested-after-refusing-to-go-to-quarantine-hotel-when-returning-from-dubai-cosmetic-surgery-trip-40269485.html
    Stink of entitlement off this pair.


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  • #3067
    CoronaBlocker
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 247 ✭✭CoronaBlocker


    Coillte_Bhoy wrote: »
    Not a 'trained journalist? What an odd thing to say, most of the great journalists were never 'trained' as such

    Not qualified then, how's that?
    Are you calling George Lee a great journalist? Is that what's happening here?!


  • #3068
    odyssey06
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 36,765 ✭✭✭✭odyssey06


    seamus wrote: »
    Stink of entitlement off this pair.

    Its just a pity theres nowhere to deport them to... but who else would them.

    "To follow knowledge like a sinking star..." (Tennyson's Ulysses)



  • #3069
    Happydays2020
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,677 ✭✭✭Happydays2020


    seamus wrote: »
    Stink of entitlement off this pair.

    Perhaps but that legislation is going to be challenged at some point.


  • #3070
    [Deleted User]
    Posts: 2,129 ✭✭✭ [Deleted User]


    FintanMcluskey wrote: »
    Exactly.

    We’ve increased the amount of tests carried out dramatically and are now using the extra cases found as evidence of a possible “4th wave”.

    But why isn't there anyone in NPHET who sees that that's what happening?

    And people are surprised that millions of people around the world are thinking x y and z.


  • #3071
    shtpEdthePlum
    Closed Accounts Posts: 556 ✭✭✭shtpEdthePlum


    Itssoeasy wrote: »
    I walked out of the room and waited and came back in and RTÉ were doing a depressing tour of the European continent. Can they stop for even a day ?
    Time to turn it off.


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  • #3072
    Eod100
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 12,304 ✭✭✭✭Eod100


    Marcusm wrote: »
    While this post might outwardly seem to have a fair bit of “tin hat” to it, the fact is that Ireland has jumped from under 100k tests per week to 125k tests per week with the absolute number of positive tests remaining static. Whether that is a deliberate strategy or not, it does point to a level of incompatibility within the data where absolute numbers are used as the headline.

    Catching asymptomatic cases breaks chains of transmission though. The people they infect could well have symptoms and test positive after. Its a sensible strategy and gives more accurate of how many cases are in community.


  • #3073
    Roger_007
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 21,886 ✭✭✭✭Roger_007


    Marcusm wrote: »
    While this post might outwardly seem to have a fair bit of “tin hat” to it, the fact is that Ireland has jumped from under 100k tests per week to 125k tests per week with the absolute number of positive tests remaining static. Whether that is a deliberate strategy or not, it does point to a level of incompatibility within the data where absolute numbers are used as the headline.

    Statistics is a science but the use of statistics is an art. You have to look very closely at the way words are used in the presentation of data. Absolute numbers and percentages are frequently interchanged. Anecdotes and scientifically proven facts are also mixed together in order to get a message across.
    Maybe it is justified to play around with data if the right message gets across in the end.


  • #3074
    FintanMcluskey
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 8,765 ✭✭✭FintanMcluskey


    Roger_007 wrote: »
    Statistics is a science but the use of statistics is an art. You have to look very closely at the way words are used in the presentation of data. Absolute numbers and percentages are frequently interchanged. Anecdotes and scientifically proven facts are also mixed together in order to get a message across.
    Maybe it is justified to play around with data if the right message gets across in the end.

    It’s getting to the stage where only those who don’t need to repeatedly hear the message are the only ones listening, and it’s causing them unnecessary worry and lack of hope.


  • #3075
    jackboy
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 5,087 ✭✭✭jackboy


    FintanMcluskey wrote: »
    Exactly.

    We’ve increased the amount of tests carried out dramatically and are now using the extra cases found as evidence of a possible “4th wave”.

    If that is intentionally being done then that game will only work for the short term. As levels of infection drop the amount of tests required to keep positive numbers high would be unsustainable.


  • #3076
    GooglePlus
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,010 ✭✭✭GooglePlus


    Eod100 wrote: »
    Catching asymptomatic cases breaks chains of transmission though. The people they infect could well have symptoms and test positive after. Its a sensible strategy and gives more accurate of how many cases are in community.

    No no, it's NPHET and the HSE wanting to increase case loads because you know, it makes it look like they're doing their job well. It's similar to a butcher spreading ecoli throughout their food, it makes no sense but some people here just can't accept that things are as they are, theres always some mad theory from someone.


  • #3077
    FintanMcluskey
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 8,765 ✭✭✭FintanMcluskey


    GooglePlus wrote: »
    No no, it's NPHET and the HSE wanting to increase case loads (not possible, if they exist

    It’s evidence that NPHET and HSE are given unlimited resources to assist with the narrow remit they were given which was to only concern themselves with Covid.

    I’d prefer it they allocated extra resources, resources which were never available before for some reason, to cancer detection and other health issues.

    Might help deal with the catastrophe coming down the tracks


  • #3078
    GooglePlus
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,010 ✭✭✭GooglePlus


    FintanMcluskey wrote: »
    It’s evidence that NPHET and HSE are given unlimited resources to assist with the narrow remit they were given which was to only concern themselves with Covid.

    I’d prefer it they allocated extra resources, resources which were never available before for some reason, to cancer detection and other health issues.

    Might help deal with the catastrophe coming down the tracks

    That's a different issue altogether though, we're talking about someone saying NPHET want to increase case numbers through increased testing as part of some sinister scheme.

    What you're talking about is a tragedy and just another victim of this pandemic, as well as our **** health service, not NPHET.

    Increased testing is a great thing and how we get back to normal, it's the plan other than lockdown that people have been asking for but are now turning their nose up to because they're not anti lockdown, they're anti establishment.


  • #3079
    [Deleted User]
    Posts: 6,775 ✭✭✭ [Deleted User]


    GooglePlus wrote: »
    Increased testing is a great thing and how we get back to normal, it's the plan other than lockdown that people have been asking for but are now turning their nose up to because they're not anti lockdown, they're anti establishment.

    Increased testing is a double-edged sword.

    Yes, greater monitoring of the situation but also identification of cases which may not otherwise have been found - meaning higher case numbers reported daily, and then that figure being used as evidence of a new wave.


  • #3080
    Cork2021
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,455 ✭✭✭Cork2021


    Pinch Flat wrote: »
    Someone on an Irish times facebook article on testing reckons the guys in NPHET are personally benefitting from testing.:)

    As much as I’m not a fan of lockdowns and so on or even NPHET, I had a serious laugh at one of the lads I work with! He’s 100% sure for every death announced thy hospital or care home gets €15,000, that’s why there’s so many deaths announced!! I actually laughed in his face!


  • #3081
    blowitupref
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,184 ✭✭✭blowitupref


    JP Liz V1 wrote: »
    Not a big decrease but still a decrease

    8 further deaths RIP 591 new confirmed cases

    A decrease from 12,906 more tests carried out.


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  • #3082
    FintanMcluskey
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 8,765 ✭✭✭FintanMcluskey


    GooglePlus wrote: »
    That's a different issue altogether though, we're talking about someone saying NPHET want to increase case numbers through increased testing as part of some sinister scheme.

    What you're talking about is a tragedy and just another victim of this pandemic, as well as our **** health service, not NPHET.

    Increased testing is a great thing and how we get back to normal, it's the plan other than lockdown that people have been asking for but are now turning their nose up to because they're not anti lockdown, they're anti establishment.

    It’s a victim of the response to Covid, not the virus itself.

    Can you explain how increased testing will allow us get back to normal, knowing what we know about the ultra conservativeness seen in Ireland?

    I’ve not seen much signs of science or data involved in Ireland’s approach, or does Ireland have data on rapid antigen tests or risks related to construction that the rest of the globe doesn’t?


  • #3083
    GooglePlus
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,010 ✭✭✭GooglePlus


    [Deleted User] wrote: »
    Increased testing is a double-edged sword.

    Yes, greater monitoring of the situation but also identification of cases which may not otherwise have been found - meaning higher case numbers reported daily, and then that figure being used as evidence of a new wave.

    Where are you getting that from though? What evidence do you have, other than a few people on an internet forum, that NPHET might be using this increased testing as a way of falsifying a fourth wave, and why would they even want to do that in the first place? Are they not human beings also sharing this little island with the rest of us, do you not think they also want to continue being human beings, within a free society? Think about it logically, take a step back and look at the entire situation before jumping to these mad conclusions.

    Increased testing is not a double edged sword, we need to know as much about the situation as we can, data is king in the fight against this and is how we return to normal. This is how other countries have gone relatively unscathed.

    Can you at least tell me if you have a genuine reason to believe NPHET are trying to orchestrate a fourth wave, with some evidence?


  • #3084
    GooglePlus
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,010 ✭✭✭GooglePlus


    FintanMcluskey wrote: »
    It’s a victim of the response to Covid, not the virus itself.

    Can you explain how increased testing will allow us get back to normal, knowing what we know about the ultra conservativeness seen in Ireland?

    I’ve not seen much signs of science or data involved in Ireland’s approach, or does Ireland have data on rapid antigen tests or risks related to construction that the rest of the globe doesn’t?

    It's a victim of the pandemic.

    Increased testing allows for a wider picture, giving us a more accurate mortality rate, which will definitely be revised down again when cases increase against deaths.

    I can't speak to decisions to close construction but echoing my point above, would a better understanding and more data not lead to them opening that sector up as opposed to the opposite?


  • #3085
    Dickie10
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 4,070 ✭✭✭Dickie10


    Dutchboy352 wrote: »
    So what amount of deaths do people feel is acceptable for us to open up? If we went zero covid we wouldn't have to have this conversation

    we had not many deaths from covid last year really, i would take up to 1500 deaths from it a year as accepteable , most definitley.


  • #3086
    FintanMcluskey
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 8,765 ✭✭✭FintanMcluskey


    GooglePlus wrote: »
    I can't speak to decisions to close construction but echoing my point above, would a better understanding and more data not lead to them opening that sector up as opposed to the opposite?

    Logically it should

    I’ve seen no logic used in Ireland so far


  • #3087
    FintanMcluskey
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 8,765 ✭✭✭FintanMcluskey


    Dickie10 wrote: »
    we had not many deaths from covid last year really, i would take up to 1500 deaths from it a year as accepteable , most definitley.

    We take 30,000 deaths a year as acceptable most years


  • #3088
    GooglePlus
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,010 ✭✭✭GooglePlus


    FintanMcluskey wrote: »
    Logically it should

    I’ve seen no logic used in Ireland so far

    So what's your solution, dwell on poor practice in the past and let it taint good practice going forward? In what way is that constructive and what does it achieve? It's complaining for the sake of complaining.


  • #3089
    FintanMcluskey
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 8,765 ✭✭✭FintanMcluskey


    GooglePlus wrote: »
    So what's your solution, dwell on poor practice in the past and let it taint good practice going forward? In what way is that constructive and what does it achieve? It's complaining for the sake of complaining.

    No, I’d immediately like to start following data and science that happens to take into account a plethora of issues, economic & health, and act accordingly.

    Right now we are acting on a belief that if we allow inter county travel or sports the hospitals won’t cope


  • #3090
    GooglePlus
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,010 ✭✭✭GooglePlus


    FintanMcluskey wrote: »
    No, I’d immediately like to start following data and science that happens to take into account a plethora of issues, economic & health, and act accordingly.

    Right now we are acting on a belief that if we allow inter county travel or sports the hospitals won’t cope

    I'm not really seeing how that relates to the increased testing we're seeing, do you think that's a good or bad thing or what? I'm confused because that's the point where you came in.


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  • #3091
    FintanMcluskey
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 8,765 ✭✭✭FintanMcluskey


    GooglePlus wrote: »
    I'm not really seeing how that relates to the increased testing we're seeing, do you think that's a good or bad thing or what? I'm confused because that's the point where you came in.

    Apologies, got sidetracked.

    Extra testing is a total waste of time and limited resources, IMO.

    We have 20,000 vaccines going in per day.

    Case numbers are fast becoming irrelevant, and likely already are.


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