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Covid 19 Part XXXIV-249,437 ROI(4,906 deaths) 120,195 NI (2,145 deaths)(01/05)Read OP

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  • #2852
    Jim_Hodge
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 13,047 ✭✭✭✭Jim_Hodge


    Deleted User wrote: »
    Do you think that if we get deaths right down, then long Covid alone is enough to justify ongoing restrictions (with all the impacts on public health that result)?

    And if so, what restrictions do you think present an appropriate balance?

    I never said any such thing. Nor did I broach the subject at all. Long Covid is another aspect of Covid, along with severe illness, hospitalisation, ICU requirements and deaths. It is not a stand alone issue. Ongoing restrictions have no part in sorting the issues for those already suffering long covid but they do have a part to play in preventing it along with the other impacts of covid.

    The point is that long covid has greater implications than the Post-Acute Sequelae of most other viruses, and is more severe and debilitating- which is contrary to the off hand glib comment in reply to a post on long covid.


  • #2853
    Maxface
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 264 ✭✭Maxface


    I don't keep track of posters but there was momentum for a long time towards control at airports. Me included to be honest. The feeling was that we are doing our bit and planes are still flying in etc. That feeling seems to have changed towards outrage that the Government are asking those coming in to isolate. Emotions I know are fast moving but seems a strange segway. Either we want control at airports and it is what it is or we just want to be outraged about no control at airports? Odd enough to me.


  • #2854
    Timmy O Toole
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 348 ✭✭Timmy O Toole


    The new variants cause extra long covid.


  • #2855
    Goldengirl
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2, Paid Member Posts: 18,222 ✭✭✭✭Goldengirl


    Turtwig wrote: »
    I don't get your point here at all.

    Ireland already has a mental health epidemic.
    Alcohol is definitely a problem.
    Obesity is also a problem.

    You seem to be saying that because these are problems it's ok to add to another problem such as long COVID and just deal with it?

    Which btw I don't even know if long COVID will be a problem. I just find it really strange how dismissive people are of it like it's potentially nothing. That certainty of conviction I find kind of scary.

    It's like some people are trapped within their own narrative denying Covid, then denying there was any surges in infection until they actually knew people who were sick with it, and case numbers and deaths were stacking up.
    And now these people deny long Covid because that would mean they have to admit that they have been " in denial" all along.


  • #2856
    Dickie10
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 4,198 ✭✭✭Dickie10


    with antigen testing electric picnic may still go ahead


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  • #2857
    What Username Guidelines
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,139 ✭✭✭What Username Guidelines


    Goldengirl wrote: »
    It's like some people are trapped within their own narrative denying Covid, then denying there was any surges in infection until they actually knew people who were sick with it, and case numbers and deaths were stacking up.
    And now these people deny long Covid because that would mean they have to admit that they have been " in denial" all along.

    Spot on, I've found over the last year that the ones that are so quick to label people doom mongers for even wanting to discuss possibilities, are the ones that are basically sticking their fingers in their ears saying "lalalalalala". It's easy to just thinly veil it in "but think of the economy". When the reality is that it's incredibly complex issue that isn't just binary, and discussing long covid or agreeing with measures does not equal an opinion of "lock up forever."


  • #2858
    TheDoctor
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 4,990 ✭✭✭TheDoctor


    Hospital numbers at 8pm

    Total 255 (down from 272 last night)
    ICU 61 (down from 64 last night - 1 death)

    Drop of 76 since 8am Monday morning (331)
    Lowest 8pm total now since 23rd December (253)

    Last Thursday
    Total 308
    ICU 75


  • #2859
    KrustyUCC
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 6,132 ✭✭✭KrustyUCC


    TheDoctor wrote: »
    Hospital numbers at 8pm

    Total 255 (down from 272 last night)
    ICU 61 (down from 64 last night - 1 death)

    Lowest 8pm total now since 23rd December.

    Last Thursday
    Total 308
    ICU 75

    Great progress


  • #2860
    Cork2021
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,463 ✭✭✭Cork2021


    TheDoctor wrote: »
    Hospital numbers at 8pm

    Total 255 (down from 272 last night)
    ICU 61 (down from 64 last night - 1 death)

    Drop of 76 since 8am Monday morning (331)
    Lowest 8pm total now since 23rd December.

    Last Thursday
    Total 308
    ICU 75

    Excellent sub 200 by middle of next week hopefully


  • #2861
    Wolf359f
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 6,856 ✭✭✭Wolf359f


    TheDoctor wrote: »
    Hospital numbers at 8pm

    Total 255 (down from 272 last night)
    ICU 61 (down from 64 last night - 1 death)

    Drop of 76 since 8am Monday morning (331)
    Lowest 8pm total now since 23rd December.

    Last Thursday
    Total 308
    ICU 75

    Seems to be back on the downward trend!


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  • #2862
    Goldengirl
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2, Paid Member Posts: 18,222 ✭✭✭✭Goldengirl


    What Username Guidelines wrote: »
    Spot on, I've found over the last year that the ones that are so quick to label people doom mongers for even wanting to discuss possibilities, are the ones that are basically sticking their fingers in their ears saying "lalalalalala". It's easy to just thinly veil it in "but think of the economy". When the reality is that it's incredibly complex issue that isn't just binary, and discussing long covid or agreeing with measures does not equal an opinion of "lock up forever."


    Yes. Was going to use the same description with the fingers in the ears but glad you did instead! :)
    But we are the ones apparently afraid to do anything except hide behind the sofa!
    I think most people have been realistic and have met this head on and said " can't control this, but what can I do other than run away and hide?" , and have dealt with it through trying to understand the science / numbers / best way to help themselves and their families.
    But it goes to show everyone deals with a crisis differently, for sure.


  • #2863
    Polar101
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 4,188 ✭✭✭Polar101


    namloc1980 wrote: »
    I presume Israel being on the list is an April Fools joke.

    Big blow for all the direct flights from Wallis and Futuna Islands.


  • #2864
    marno21
    Moderators, Science, Health & Environment Moderators Posts: 14,972 Mod ✭✭✭✭marno21


    Could be a sluggish weekend regarding hospital numbers with Good Friday tomorrow and the Bank Holiday Monday. In case people are disappointed

    Absolutely fantastic numbers this week though


  • #2865
    Cork2021
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,463 ✭✭✭Cork2021


    marno21 wrote: »
    Could be a sluggish weekend regarding hospital numbers with Good Friday tomorrow and the Bank Holiday Monday. In case people are disappointed

    Absolutely fantastic numbers this week though

    They need to remember they’re not banks! Should be a normal working day like it is for the majority. This good Friday closing crack was done with I thought


  • #2866
    Dickie10
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 4,198 ✭✭✭Dickie10


    brilliant numbers, shows just how effective the vaccine is. NYPHEt are correct though if we keep this thing tight til mid may were almost out the door. no point in letting it blow up now, when nearly there, like get 70% vaxxed its over. look at numbers in hosptial now and still very few vaxxed. I think we can see now just how good the one shot is at keeping covid at bay. like roads have been busy the last month, mothers day, paddys day and were not seeing anything , plus there testing like crazy and getting very little cases. this thing is almost at an end for us. literally keep going 6 more weeks and we will be having tiny numbers in hospitals , look at north. only 150 cases today, no deaths in a few days


  • #2867
    gctest50
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 9,534 ✭✭✭gctest50


    Dickie10 wrote: »
    brilliant numbers........

    I suppose if someone dies it's counted as a reduction


    Hospital numbers :

    Total 255 (down from 272 last night - 17 deaths )



    272 minus 17 = 255




    from here :

    https://covid19ireland-geohive.hub.arcgis.com/


  • #2868
    stephenjmcd
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 15,755 ✭✭✭✭stephenjmcd


    gctest50 wrote: »
    I suppose if someone dies it's counted as a reduction


    Hospital numbers :

    Total 255 (down from 272 last night - 17 deaths )



    272 minus 17 = 255




    from here :

    https://covid19ireland-geohive.hub.arcgis.com/

    Except you know well that the 17 deaths didn't all occur today, only that they were reported.

    Of the deaths reported today, 11 occurred in March and 7 occurred in February

    Your implying that the reduction of 17 today are all people that died. Its like putting 2+2 together and getting 5


  • #2869
    Dickie10
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 4,198 ✭✭✭Dickie10


    deaths will dry up very soon too. but naturally people will still die of covid, but its all about numbers and risk.


  • #2870
    Dutchboy352
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 25 ✭Dutchboy352


    Dickie10 wrote: »
    deaths will dry up very soon too. but naturally people will still die of covid, but its all about numbers and risk.

    So what amount of deaths do people feel is acceptable for us to open up? If we went zero covid we wouldn't have to have this conversation


  • #2871
    Polar101
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 4,188 ✭✭✭Polar101


    Not too sure how useful the quarantine is, if EU countries and the USA are off it. And apparently there's currently only 650 places in the quarantine "system" (more coming soon), which doesn't sound like nearly enough.

    Maybe it will slow the spread of some new variants a bit.


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  • #2872
    gctest50
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 9,534 ✭✭✭gctest50


    For all those leaving by the front door of the hospital there might be about a third of them back again:


    "47 780 individuals (mean age 65, 55% men) in hospital with covid-19 and discharged alive by 31 August 2020, exactly matched to controls from a pool of about 50 million people in England for personal and clinical characteristics from 10 years of electronic health records.


    Results : Over a mean follow-up of 140 days, nearly a third of individuals who were discharged from hospital after acute covid-19 were readmitted (14 060 of 47 780) and more than 1 in 10 (5875) died after discharge"


  • #2873
    Dutchboy352
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 25 ✭Dutchboy352


    Dickie10 wrote: »
    with antigen testing electric picnic may still go ahead

    No it shouldn't what about new variants or what if there's unvaccinated people there? It's way to soon to be thinking of music shows or anything like that


  • #2874
    Deeper Blue
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 9,040 ✭✭✭Deeper Blue


    Dutchboy352 wrote: »
    No it shouldn't what about new variants or what if there's unvaccinated people there? It's way to soon to be thinking of music shows or anything like that

    It's in September so we should be in a massively different place by then

    Doesn't mean I actually think it'll go ahead though


  • #2875
    marno21
    Moderators, Science, Health & Environment Moderators Posts: 14,972 Mod ✭✭✭✭marno21


    Dutchboy352 wrote: »
    No it shouldn't what about new variants or what if there's unvaccinated people there? It's way to soon to be thinking of music shows or anything like that

    We can’t live in lockdown forever. There’s a new train of thought in the UK, led by the CMO that it’s time to accept that Covid will be an endemic disease and we need to live alongside it as we always did with flu. That means yearly infections and yearly deaths. They predict upto 25k per year. We can limit most of the damage with vaccines.

    For anyone following viruses, a pandemic in our lifetimes was a dead certainty. We got away quite lightly in my opinion, IFR is less than 1%, and within a year we have 4 safe and efficacious vaccines approved. It could have been much much worse. Of course, some elements of Covid are unfortunate, very very transmissible and the presymptomatic transmission.

    Music festivals are part of normality. Most people want them back. By the time EP comes along, Ireland will have received in excess of 8 million doses of vaccine. I fail to see any reason why we wouldn’t be back to normal then unless the future of Ireland is governance by medical doctors in which case you will see mass emigration.


  • #2876
    Dutchboy352
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 25 ✭Dutchboy352


    Deeper Blue wrote: »
    It's in September so we should be in a massively different place by then

    Doesn't mean I actually think it'll go ahead though

    What about new variants though? Until we know more I think the max we should be considering letting up is level 2-3 there's too many variables


  • #2877
    purplefields
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 352 ✭✭purplefields


    Polar101 wrote: »
    Not too sure how useful the quarantine is, if EU countries and the USA are off it. And apparently there's currently only 650 places in the quarantine "system" (more coming soon), which doesn't sound like nearly enough.

    Maybe it will slow the spread of some new variants a bit.

    It's totally pointless.
    Either have a quarantine system, or don't. None of this pretend quarantine where only people from Zambia, who didn't stop off in France first, actually have to quarantine.

    Of course, any quarantine is over a year too late now. The virus came in from abroad.

    The people of Ireland have done our part. We've all suffered. Unfortunately for us, the government hasn't played their part.


  • #2878
    User1998
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 11,783 ✭✭✭✭User1998


    Dutchboy352 wrote: »
    What about new variants though? Until we know more I think the max we should be considering letting up is level 2-3 there's too many variables

    Variants are going to spread all over the world weather we are in level 1 or level 5. Its time to get the economy back open and get on with our lives and stop living in fear


  • #2879
    purplefields
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 352 ✭✭purplefields


    marno21 wrote: »
    We can’t live in lockdown forever. There’s a new train of thought in the UK, led by the CMO that it’s time to accept that Covid will be an endemic disease and we need to live alongside it as we always did with flu. That means yearly infections and yearly deaths. They predict upto 25k per year. We can limit most of the damage with vaccines.

    Consider that.

    Always worrying when it'll be your turn, and if you'll get long covid, or even die.
    If it goes on for years, then life expectancy goes down. You might be okay getting it in your 20s, but maybe not your 70s or 80s.

    Then waiting for the next nasty new variant. Maybe something that kills young people (Spanish flu second wave?)

    Remember the virus will mutate to survive vaccines, just like flu does. As more and more people get it, so will the mutations increase. We could end up with multiple new variants a year. How will vaccines keep up with that?

    This virus will spread when the carrier is asymptomatic. So it is less like to evolve into something benign.

    This is why governments across the globe are terrified of this. Why we have such stringent lockdowns.


  • #2880
    Deeper Blue
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 9,040 ✭✭✭Deeper Blue


    Dutchboy352 wrote: »
    What about new variants though? Until we know more I think the max we should be considering letting up is level 2-3 there's too many variables

    Once a large portion of the population are vaccinated we need to move on, might as well stay in lockdown forever otherwise


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  • #2881
    purplefields
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 352 ✭✭purplefields


    Deeper Blue wrote: »
    Once a large portion of the population are vaccinated we need to move on, might as well stay in lockdown forever otherwise

    If Israel cases start to increase, we're screwed.


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