COVID-19: Vaccine and testing procedures Megathread Part 3 - Read OP

Rebelbrowser · 30-03-2021 01:39PM

From RTE.ie

"...Germany's vaccine regulator reports 31 cases of blood disorder after AstraZeneca shot

Germany's vaccine regulators said it has recorded 31 cases of a rare blood clot in the brain, nine of which resulted in deaths, after people received the AstraZeneca Covid-19 vaccine.

The Paul Ehrlich Institute (PEI) said it has now registered 31 cases of clots in the cerebral veins - known as sinus veinthrombosis, or CSVT - and that in 19 of these there was a deficiency of blood platelets or thrombocytepenia.

In nine cases, the affected people died. With the exception of two cases, all reports concerned women between the ages of 20 and 63. The two men were 36 and 57 years old....".

That doesn't seem great. I know Covid kills younger people too, and I haven't done the maths, but 9 deaths of people aged 20 to 63 sounds problematic?

Godot. · 30-03-2021 01:39PM

If we suspend again it's a joke. The EMA will say like last time crack on while an investigation is underway and so we should.

30-03-2021 01:47PM

Rebelbrowser wrote: »

From RTE.ie

"...Germany's vaccine regulator reports 31 cases of blood disorder after AstraZeneca shot

Germany's vaccine regulators said it has recorded 31 cases of a rare blood clot in the brain, nine of which resulted in deaths, after people received the AstraZeneca Covid-19 vaccine.

The Paul Ehrlich Institute (PEI) said it has now registered 31 cases of clots in the cerebral veins - known as sinus veinthrombosis, or CSVT - and that in 19 of these there was a deficiency of blood platelets or thrombocytepenia.

In nine cases, the affected people died. With the exception of two cases, all reports concerned women between the ages of 20 and 63. The two men were 36 and 57 years old....".

That doesn't seem great. I know Covid kills younger people too, and I haven't done the maths, but 9 deaths of people aged 20 to 63 sounds problematic?

It's strange the UK haven't recorded similar numbers. Unless they've been keeping it quiet. India have administered somewhere in the region of 30m doses too and don't seem to be recording this many clotting events (or they haven't been reported).

Qiaonasen · 30-03-2021 01:48PM

I dunno. India for sure probably has bad reporting. The UK should be better but there is a lot of Nationalism on going. They could be hiding it?

Stark · 30-03-2021 01:48PM

lucernarian wrote: »

One thing to note is that unlike sputnik and J&J, the AZ/Chadox vaccine relies on injection of the exact same adenovirus vector, twice. There's no conclusion to be made on that fact alone, but it's worth pointing out before saying that the clotting issues are likely to arise in the other adenovirus-vector vaccines. The strain of adenovirus might be relevant also, the 3 vaccines differ in that regard.

Interesting hypothesis. If it's due to the second dose, it might explain why the UK aren't seeing the same issues.

30-03-2021 01:50PM

Stark wrote: »

Interesting hypothesis. If it's due to the second dose, it might explain why the UK aren't seeing the same issues.

Germany won't have given any second doses of AZ yet, 12 week dosing gap same as the UK.

Rebelbrowser · 30-03-2021 01:51PM

Qiaonasen wrote: »

I dunno. India for sure probably has bad reporting. The UK should be better but there is a lot of Nationalism on going. They could be hiding it?

Whilst the relevant UK politicians are perfectly capable of this I fear, I can't see the scientific community cooperating. I'd imagine its virtually impossible for such an UK omerta to be feasible? The 2nd dose theory might be worth exploring though.

PMBC · 30-03-2021 01:53PM

thebourke wrote: »

is there a website where they show how many people are getting vaccinated every day?

Yes, see post a few places above yours

Qiaonasen · 30-03-2021 01:59PM

Rebelbrowser wrote: »

Whilst the relevant UK politicians are perfectly capable of this I fear, I can't see the scientific community cooperating. I'd imagine its virtually impossible for such an UK omerta to be feasible? The 2nd dose theory might be worth exploring though.

Yeah, I also don't think the Brits would do that.

funnydoggy · 30-03-2021 02:02PM

RTÉ imaginary headline -

Breaking news - AZ vaccine makes some recipients sleepy, reports say. People are reporting they are sleeping from 6-8 hours every night, which sparks doubt amidst the vaccine rollout.

irishlad. · 30-03-2021 02:09PM

https://docs.google.com/spreadsheets/d/1cUZy6AMCwuA2zhtRuKK7cqMVgmhdDsGsZrFWJTkw9DY/edit#gid=1219026690

Hope we can finish the week off with over 125k doses

irishlad. · 30-03-2021 02:13PM

funnydoggy wrote: »

RTÉ imaginary headline -

Breaking news - AZ vaccine makes some recipients sleepy, reports say. People are reporting they are sleeping from 6-8 hours every night, which sparks doubt amidst the vaccine rollout.

Wouldn't put it past George to requote this

iamwhoiam · 30-03-2021 02:13PM

British Columbia in Canada have banned use of AZ in under 55 age group

stephenjmcd · 30-03-2021 02:16PM

iamwhoiam wrote: »

British Columbia in Canada have banned use of AZ in under 55 age group

Canada paused AZ in u55's yesterday

Cork2021 · 30-03-2021 02:16PM

I really really can’t stand these ****èrs!!!

https://twitter.com/isagcovid19/status/1376660674210844675?s=21

And then their leader Killeen

https://twitter.com/killeen_gerry/status/1376819550696710144?s=21

Elessar · 30-03-2021 02:17PM

From Michael McGrath on his way into the cabinet meeting earlier:

"We are expecting to administer 860,000 doses in April and well over a million in the month of May."

Already that 1 million a month in April is now down 140k. Watch this space as figures decline further on foot on delivery shortfalls.

All this talk of relaxations and barbers/hairdressers/retail in May is rubbish.

iamwhoiam · 30-03-2021 02:18PM

stephenjmcd wrote: »

Canada paused AZ in u55's yesterday

Thanks . I hear from family in BC . Huge uptick in cases there too .

Stark · 30-03-2021 02:19PM

Elessar wrote: »

From Michael McGrath on his way into the cabinet meeting earlier:

"We are expecting to administer 860,000 doses in April and well over a million in the month of May."

Already that 1 million a month in April is now down 140k. Watch this space as figures decline further on foot on delivery shortfalls.

All this talk of relaxations and barbers/hairdressers/retail in May is rubbish.

It had already been flagged that there would be more doses in June than April. J&J for example will deliver the bulk of their deliveries in June.

Cork2021 · 30-03-2021 02:22PM

All of these supposedly educated people don’t think we’ve a border with another country to the north of us as well!!
Is it about time that we all stood up and reported every tweet these loons send out and take them off Twitter!
This second generation vaccine ****e Killeen is spouting is nonsense! They’d fûcking love if these vaccines don’t work (they do work really really well)!! They seem to want us to fail. We are all stupid little people in their eyes!
I’m not a violent person, but they all need a good crack across the head! Dumb cûnts!

ek motor · 30-03-2021 02:22PM

lucernarian wrote: »

Is this connected to the recent Canadian decision? This decision comes from the home of the world's most advanced hospital and international centre of excellence (the charité) and I hope that the suspension is brief and there isn't an increased risk after further review.

No , they have found cases of blood clotting , mostly in women, after having received the AZ vaccine. Pausing AZ vaccinations as a precautionary measure until further research is carried out.

PhilOssophy · 30-03-2021 02:24PM

Paul Reid was asked recently how many vaccines could be administered per week if there was no shortage of vaccine. He was unable to answer.

How on earth have the HSE not thought of a scenario where a vaccine supplier comes up with 10m doses for Ireland, and we want to administer them ASAP, how have they not thought of the question "How long will this take, how ready are we, how many centres, etc do we need to get these into peoples arms ASAP"?

I can't fathom for the life of me how they don't know the answer to this question - hypothetical or not, it is hopefully the sort of question we'll be facing soon as more vaccines come on stream.

Probes · 30-03-2021 02:25PM

Cork2021 wrote: »

I really really can’t stand these ****èrs!!!

https://twitter.com/isagcovid19/status/1376660674210844675?s=21

And then their leader Killeen

https://twitter.com/killeen_gerry/status/1376819550696710144?s=21

What they are saying makes perfect sense to me.

Cork2021 · 30-03-2021 02:27PM

Probes wrote: »

What they are saying makes perfect sense to me.

And Jesus wept!

is_that_so · 30-03-2021 02:27PM

PhilOssophy wrote: »

Paul Reid was asked recently how many vaccines could be administered per week if there was no shortage of vaccine. He was unable to answer.

How on earth have the HSE not thought of a scenario where a vaccine supplier comes up with 10m doses for Ireland, and we want to administer them ASAP, how have they not thought of the question "How long will this take, how ready are we, how many centres, etc do we need to get these into peoples arms ASAP"?

I can't fathom for the life of me how they don't know the answer to this question - hypothetical or not, it is hopefully the sort of question we'll be facing soon as more vaccines come on stream.

They have a target of 1m+ per month, supposedly from April. With most of the MVCs not even up and running yet it's impossible to give an answer.

Deeper Blue · 30-03-2021 02:27PM

Le Bruise wrote: »

There's going to be quite a few 'experts' looking a wee bit silly come summer time I feel!

I disagree - those "experts" have looked like morons for some time now.

lucernarian · 30-03-2021 02:27PM

Stark wrote: »

Interesting hypothesis. If it's due to the second dose, it might explain why the UK aren't seeing the same issues.

I believe a 12 week gap is what's used in many other countries, I don't think this explains a lack of prevalence among the UK population.

PhilOssophy · 30-03-2021 02:31PM

is_that_so wrote: »

They have a target of 1m+ per month, supposedly from April. With most of the MVCs not even up and running yet it's impossible to give an answer.

Surely they have modelled it though, e.g. if we get X vaccines, we'll need this many beds to get a throughput of this many people per week. It doesn't seem too difficult to me.
I can't help think at some stage we'll end up with a load of vaccines and the HSE not ready because they don't know how many MVC's/beds/vaccinators/etc we need.

Turtwig · 30-03-2021 02:32PM

Cork2021 wrote: »

I really really can’t stand these ****èrs!!!

https://twitter.com/isagcovid19/status/1376660674210844675?s=21

And then their leader Killeen

https://twitter.com/killeen_gerry/status/1376819550696710144?s=21

What are they saying here that is incorrect? Vaccinations will reduce hospitalisations. The lowest risks groups are the largest population pools. You have to keep some level of restrictions in tact until they are vaccinated. This group can still flood the hospitals.

Pretty much everyone will require another vaccine in the winter and this will likely cover the current variants of concern. We should have plans in place to prevent other variants from taking hold here.

afatbollix · 30-03-2021 02:33PM

PhilOssophy wrote: »

The thread has moved on, but to me Boris is talking through his backside.

The time for doing the "neighbourly thing to do" was to agree a common approach to keeping this virus out of here. They have played political games with peoples lives' and as a result of their unwillingness to work together, thousands of lives have been lost. We could have been in the same position as NZ now but for the unwillingness of the DUP to accept that working together when you are on an island is the best strategy.

Don't ever let Arlene and her Nordie and Westminster colleagues pull the wool over our eyes otherwise. If I was MM I'd tell Boris and the DUP to stick their vaccines where the sun don't shine.

We shouldn't be saying no to vaccines full stop, Vaccines save real people and the quicker they are jabbed the better no matter where you get those jabs from.

I think you can give out that Borris and co are not giving them quick enough or that we won't need them as the EU will have us full of vaccines but we shouldn't be saying no due to politics either.

Micky 32 · 30-03-2021 02:36PM

Probes wrote: »

What they are saying makes perfect sense to me.

That’s because it will never affect you. I’m sure you have close family abroad, right? :rolleyes:

Who cares if it makes perfect sense to you. Anyway the green travel pass is going ahead, even FF/FG voted for it.

COVID-19: Vaccine and testing procedures Megathread Part 3 - Read OP

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