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COVID-19: Vaccine and testing procedures Megathread Part 3 - Read OP

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No anti-vax stuff in this thread - it's to discuss the various vaccines available and how they are getting rolled out, as well as testing procedures

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Melanchthon

[Deleted User] wrote: »

It's strange the UK haven't recorded similar numbers. Unless they've been keeping it quiet. India have administered somewhere in the region of 30m doses too and don't seem to be recording this many clotting events (or they haven't been reported).

lucernarian wrote: »

I believe a 12 week gap is what's used in many other countries, I don't think this explains a lack of prevalence among the UK population.

Had this pointed out too me. The lack of prevalence in the UK despite it having a large amount of Astra Zeneca given is likely to do with the fact that majority of medical staff got Pfizer/BioNTech and the majority of older people got Astra/Oxford.
Medical staff have a lot of younger women but they were getting Pfizer, they haven't done many under 40 in the UK yet.

What I find really strange is that despite the sex split of clotting no country has kept up using Astra Zeneca for younger males but not younger females?
Why can they make a age based restriction choice but not also a gender based restriction choice.

Ps delibrately not using men or woman as not talking about gender!

is_that_so

PhilOssophy wrote: »

Surely they have modelled it though, e.g. if we get X vaccines, we'll need this many beds to get a throughput of this many people per week. It doesn't seem too difficult to me.
I can't help think at some stage we'll end up with a load of vaccines and the HSE not ready because they don't know how many MVC's/beds/vaccinators/etc we need.

Models are useless when you're dealing with shoddy suppliers like AZ. Other countries are already finding their own confident predictions need to be revised. I'd much prefer to hear x shots have arrived and we are going to do y vaccinations this week.

[Deleted User]

stephenjmcd wrote: »

Significant change being made it looks like

https://twitter.com/Philip_Ryan/status/1376889911849193476?s=20

Does that mean no priority for teachers, people in overcrowded accom, certain key workers?

Teachers are going to be fuming (except certain ones in a certain private school).

PhilOssophy

afatbollix wrote: »

We shouldn't be saying no to vaccines full stop, Vaccines save real people and the quicker they are jabbed the better no matter where you get those jabs from.

I think you can give out that Borris and co are not giving them quick enough or that we won't need them as the EU will have us full of vaccines but we shouldn't be saying no due to politics either.

Its a political stroke. The only reason Boris and Arlene are pretending to care is "what's in it for me" - i.e. we'll look good and be able to re-open our economy. If they really cared about us, they'd have engaged and come up with an All-Island approach to both internal travel and travel around the island in the last year, not in the (hopefully) dying embers of this pandemic.

Boris must think people are awful stupid if he thinks people can't see through this for what it is.

[Deleted User]

Elessar wrote: »

From Michael McGrath on his way into the cabinet meeting earlier:

"We are expecting to administer 860,000 doses in April and well over a million in the month of May."

Already that 1 million a month in April is now down 140k. Watch this space as figures decline further on foot on delivery shortfalls.

All this talk of relaxations and barbers/hairdressers/retail in May is rubbish.

And around 250k of that 860k will be second doses, so we'll be at maybe 1.2m with at least one dose by end of April, not terrible but not great either. I'm just hoping "wait til Q2" doesn't turn into "wait til Q3".

stephenjmcd

Significant change being made it looks like

https://twitter.com/Philip_Ryan/status/1376889911849193476?s=20

Micky 32

Probes wrote: »

What they are saying makes perfect sense to me.

That’s because it will never affect you. I’m sure you have close family abroad, right? :rolleyes:

Who cares if it makes perfect sense to you. Anyway the green travel pass is going ahead, even FF/FG voted for it.

afatbollix

PhilOssophy wrote: »

The thread has moved on, but to me Boris is talking through his backside.

The time for doing the "neighbourly thing to do" was to agree a common approach to keeping this virus out of here. They have played political games with peoples lives' and as a result of their unwillingness to work together, thousands of lives have been lost. We could have been in the same position as NZ now but for the unwillingness of the DUP to accept that working together when you are on an island is the best strategy.

Don't ever let Arlene and her Nordie and Westminster colleagues pull the wool over our eyes otherwise. If I was MM I'd tell Boris and the DUP to stick their vaccines where the sun don't shine.

We shouldn't be saying no to vaccines full stop, Vaccines save real people and the quicker they are jabbed the better no matter where you get those jabs from.

I think you can give out that Borris and co are not giving them quick enough or that we won't need them as the EU will have us full of vaccines but we shouldn't be saying no due to politics either.

Turtwig

Cork2021 wrote: »

I really really can’t stand these ****èrs!!!

https://twitter.com/isagcovid19/status/1376660674210844675?s=21

And then their leader Killeen

https://twitter.com/killeen_gerry/status/1376819550696710144?s=21

What are they saying here that is incorrect? Vaccinations will reduce hospitalisations. The lowest risks groups are the largest population pools. You have to keep some level of restrictions in tact until they are vaccinated. This group can still flood the hospitals.

Pretty much everyone will require another vaccine in the winter and this will likely cover the current variants of concern. We should have plans in place to prevent other variants from taking hold here.

PhilOssophy

is_that_so wrote: »

They have a target of 1m+ per month, supposedly from April. With most of the MVCs not even up and running yet it's impossible to give an answer.

Surely they have modelled it though, e.g. if we get X vaccines, we'll need this many beds to get a throughput of this many people per week. It doesn't seem too difficult to me.
I can't help think at some stage we'll end up with a load of vaccines and the HSE not ready because they don't know how many MVC's/beds/vaccinators/etc we need.

lucernarian

Stark wrote: »

Interesting hypothesis. If it's due to the second dose, it might explain why the UK aren't seeing the same issues.

I believe a 12 week gap is what's used in many other countries, I don't think this explains a lack of prevalence among the UK population.

Deeper Blue

Le Bruise wrote: »

There's going to be quite a few 'experts' looking a wee bit silly come summer time I feel!

I disagree - those "experts" have looked like morons for some time now.

is_that_so

PhilOssophy wrote: »

Paul Reid was asked recently how many vaccines could be administered per week if there was no shortage of vaccine. He was unable to answer.

How on earth have the HSE not thought of a scenario where a vaccine supplier comes up with 10m doses for Ireland, and we want to administer them ASAP, how have they not thought of the question "How long will this take, how ready are we, how many centres, etc do we need to get these into peoples arms ASAP"?

I can't fathom for the life of me how they don't know the answer to this question - hypothetical or not, it is hopefully the sort of question we'll be facing soon as more vaccines come on stream.

They have a target of 1m+ per month, supposedly from April. With most of the MVCs not even up and running yet it's impossible to give an answer.

Cork2021

Probes wrote: »

What they are saying makes perfect sense to me.

And Jesus wept!

Probes

Cork2021 wrote: »

I really really can’t stand these ****èrs!!!

https://twitter.com/isagcovid19/status/1376660674210844675?s=21

And then their leader Killeen

https://twitter.com/killeen_gerry/status/1376819550696710144?s=21

What they are saying makes perfect sense to me.

PhilOssophy

Paul Reid was asked recently how many vaccines could be administered per week if there was no shortage of vaccine. He was unable to answer.

How on earth have the HSE not thought of a scenario where a vaccine supplier comes up with 10m doses for Ireland, and we want to administer them ASAP, how have they not thought of the question "How long will this take, how ready are we, how many centres, etc do we need to get these into peoples arms ASAP"?

I can't fathom for the life of me how they don't know the answer to this question - hypothetical or not, it is hopefully the sort of question we'll be facing soon as more vaccines come on stream.

ek motor

lucernarian wrote: »

Is this connected to the recent Canadian decision? This decision comes from the home of the world's most advanced hospital and international centre of excellence (the charité) and I hope that the suspension is brief and there isn't an increased risk after further review.

No , they have found cases of blood clotting , mostly in women, after having received the AZ vaccine. Pausing AZ vaccinations as a precautionary measure until further research is carried out.

Cork2021

All of these supposedly educated people don’t think we’ve a border with another country to the north of us as well!!
Is it about time that we all stood up and reported every tweet these loons send out and take them off Twitter!
This second generation vaccine ****e Killeen is spouting is nonsense! They’d fûcking love if these vaccines don’t work (they do work really really well)!! They seem to want us to fail. We are all stupid little people in their eyes!
I’m not a violent person, but they all need a good crack across the head! Dumb cûnts!

Stark

Elessar wrote: »

From Michael McGrath on his way into the cabinet meeting earlier:

"We are expecting to administer 860,000 doses in April and well over a million in the month of May."

Already that 1 million a month in April is now down 140k. Watch this space as figures decline further on foot on delivery shortfalls.

All this talk of relaxations and barbers/hairdressers/retail in May is rubbish.

It had already been flagged that there would be more doses in June than April. J&J for example will deliver the bulk of their deliveries in June.

iamwhoiam

stephenjmcd wrote: »

Canada paused AZ in u55's yesterday

Thanks . I hear from family in BC . Huge uptick in cases there too .

Elessar

From Michael McGrath on his way into the cabinet meeting earlier:

"We are expecting to administer 860,000 doses in April and well over a million in the month of May."

Already that 1 million a month in April is now down 140k. Watch this space as figures decline further on foot on delivery shortfalls.

All this talk of relaxations and barbers/hairdressers/retail in May is rubbish.

Cork2021

I really really can’t stand these ****èrs!!!

https://twitter.com/isagcovid19/status/1376660674210844675?s=21

And then their leader Killeen

https://twitter.com/killeen_gerry/status/1376819550696710144?s=21

stephenjmcd

iamwhoiam wrote: »

British Columbia in Canada have banned use of AZ in under 55 age group

Canada paused AZ in u55's yesterday

iamwhoiam

British Columbia in Canada have banned use of AZ in under 55 age group

irishlad.

funnydoggy wrote: »

RTÉ imaginary headline -

Breaking news - AZ vaccine makes some recipients sleepy, reports say. People are reporting they are sleeping from 6-8 hours every night, which sparks doubt amidst the vaccine rollout.

Wouldn't put it past George to requote this

irishlad.

https://docs.google.com/spreadsheets/d/1cUZy6AMCwuA2zhtRuKK7cqMVgmhdDsGsZrFWJTkw9DY/edit#gid=1219026690

Hope we can finish the week off with over 125k doses

funnydoggy

RTÉ imaginary headline -

Breaking news - AZ vaccine makes some recipients sleepy, reports say. People are reporting they are sleeping from 6-8 hours every night, which sparks doubt amidst the vaccine rollout.

Qiaonasen

Rebelbrowser wrote: »

Whilst the relevant UK politicians are perfectly capable of this I fear, I can't see the scientific community cooperating. I'd imagine its virtually impossible for such an UK omerta to be feasible? The 2nd dose theory might be worth exploring though.

Yeah, I also don't think the Brits would do that.

PMBC

thebourke wrote: »

is there a website where they show how many people are getting vaccinated every day?

Yes, see post a few places above yours

Rebelbrowser

Qiaonasen wrote: »

I dunno. India for sure probably has bad reporting. The UK should be better but there is a lot of Nationalism on going. They could be hiding it?

Whilst the relevant UK politicians are perfectly capable of this I fear, I can't see the scientific community cooperating. I'd imagine its virtually impossible for such an UK omerta to be feasible? The 2nd dose theory might be worth exploring though.