Intel

deravarra · 28-03-2021 2:09am

A Tyrant Named Miltiades! wrote: »

Obviously not. Nobody said they have a legal obligation.

But I think we should draw a distinction between, say, modern poetry and computer engineering.

Where something is so obviously an industrial skill, theres an argument that it should be funded by employers. After all, it is they who will profit from it, it isn't something that people tend to study for personal fulfilment.

I had to sit postgraduate exams when I started out in my career. The employer paid for these, and the idea that I'd have to pay out of my own pocket (for their benefit!) would have been obviously absurd.

You seem to offer the notion that the benefit is one sided.
Actually, it would be more beneficial to manufacturing companies to employ folks out of college. They get grants, and don't have to pay for the education of the new employees.

28-03-2021 2:16am

YellowLead wrote: »

Their benefit only? Really? I assume most people take up those courses because they want a better position with better pay. You feel they do it out of the goodness of their heart to benefit their employer???

workers do it because there is a benefit to the employer. They pay for their own training to seek a small reward from that employer. But it is the employer who always wins. There are people queuing up to spend hundreds or thousands of unpaid hours to learn skills that will satisfy some corporation — that's crazy.

Often, this training pertains to a very specific skill in the industrial or financial sectors that the worker has no use for outside of his professional life. There is simply no excuse for this cost to be borne by the worker.

deravarra · 28-03-2021 2:20am

A Tyrant Named Miltiades! wrote: »

workers do it because there is a benefit to the employer. They pay for their own training to seek a small reward from that employer. But it is the employer who always wins. There are people queuing up to spend hundreds or thousands of unpaid hours to learn skills that will satisfy some corporation — that's crazy.

Often, this training pertains to a very specific skill in the industrial or financial sectors that the worker has no use for outside of his professional life. There is simply no excuse for this cost to be borne by the worker.

That would be fine if the skills were company specific. But many of these courses can be carried from one company to another. Do you think that a company A should pay for an employees education, and does not work during that period of study, and then decides to leave and join company B?

28-03-2021 2:34am

deravarra wrote: »

That would be fine if the skills were company specific. But many of these courses can be carried from one company to another. Do you think that a company A should pay for an employees education, and does not work during that period of study, and then decides to leave and join company B?

That happens all the time. Yes. My exams were paid for by an employer, and they paid for study time. Over in the healthcare industry, I'm pretty sure that doctors' training is all paid for on a non-committal basis. This is a lot more commonplace than people might expect.

You should absolutely not be giving away your free time to make profits for some MNC

deravarra · 28-03-2021 2:38am

A Tyrant Named Miltiades! wrote: »

That happens all the time. Yes. My exams were paid for by an employer, and they paid for study time. Over in the healthcare industry, I'm pretty sure that doctors' training is all paid for on a non-committal basis. This is a lot more commonplace than people might expect.

You should absolutely not be giving away your free time to make profits for some MNC

So, you're saying that I should refuse to upskill and put myself in a better position education wise, unless my employer will pay for it and all while I do no work for them?

The daftest thing I have ever heard.

Joe4321 · 28-03-2021 9:55am

Intel paid for your education as long as you passes your exams, if you leave within a year you pay back the last year of your course fees, why would employees not want to upskill in an industry that they enjoy working in, its a win win for everybody, this iindusty is continuesly changing so continues training happens all the time either in house training or doing these upskilling courses in college,

McDermotX · 28-03-2021 11:00am

Still have a few issues with people leaving for better prospects and renumeration elsewhere, and even some cases of permanent contracts not being accepted (or offered in a small number of cases), so the job can sometimes not be suitable for everyone.
Happens everywhere of course, especially in employment cultures of a similar ilk, but it can be a difficult early few years for some.
They've always being a big supporter of people wishing to further their education, job relevant of course, so thats always been an important factor for many who have availed.

Bottom line, there are far worse places to work.

fryup · 28-03-2021 1:32pm

fryup wrote: »

sounds like they're the aldi/lidl of the manufacturing world

Joe4321 wrote: »

Aldi and lidl actually pay above the market rate

yes, but they work the @rse off ya for it

Joe4321 · 28-03-2021 4:33pm

Both aldi/lidl never seem to have problems getting staff, in fact both have given there staff generous bonus for working through this pandemic, a lot more that a lot of other business that have been here a lot longer,

prishtinaboy99 · 28-03-2021 4:50pm

McDermotX wrote: »

Still have a few issues with people leaving for better prospects and renumeration elsewhere, and even some cases of permanent contracts not being accepted (or offered in a small number of cases), so the job can sometimes not be suitable for everyone.
Happens everywhere of course, especially in employment cultures of a similar ilk, but it can be a difficult early few years for some.
They've always being a big supporter of people wishing to further their education, job relevant of course, so thats always been an important factor for many who have availed.

Bottom line, there are far worse places to work.

I started my career there in 99 and can only say positive things about it, still have a lot of friends I started with there 20 years later. It gave me a great start and learnings for my future career.

28-03-2021 4:51pm

fryup wrote: »

yaaahhh lets all move to Leixlip

what's it like working there anyway? as a production operative?

I've done it.

It's a pain in the whole. I lasted about 6 months. Some lads loved it but it was not for me.

My job was to unpack boxes from the sophisticated train system they have, with wafers in them into another machine, and test them. Testing took 10 minutes. To start the test involved a complicated sequence of 3 key presses on a computer.

If people think wearing PPE at work is a pain, you should try Intel's double layer space suit. That you have to put on twice a day and wear for 6 hours at a time.

3 days on, 4 days off. The 4 days off was nice. I'm not knocking the job. Its hard work when you are working, but its even harder when you're not.

To the people saying its moving to China tomorrow, dream on.

P.S. Leixlip is a kip.

28-03-2021 4:55pm

Leixlip used to be a good spot in the day when the hitcher and the ozone (and the accompanying pub) were there - both German supermarkets now. You’d be sweating buckets in the suit after a feed of it the night before. Ops weren’t too bad back in the old 8 inch days too, it was when it went to that rocc crap it all went downhill.

kippy · 28-03-2021 4:58pm

screamer wrote: »

Are you being serious? There's tech people who have skills, qualifications and experience in the field, and wouldn't be earning 100K 5 years down the road.

Anyways, the main reason Intel are here is government grants, and tax expediency of being located in the EU, that's it.

The main reason intel are here is that it makes financial sense. For whatever reason but Id suggest that after investing Billions into plants and technology over the years on the country it would take a lot for them to up sticks.

Brian? · 28-03-2021 5:51pm

fryup wrote: »

yes, but they work the @rse off ya for it

Intel really don't.

Brian? · 28-03-2021 6:01pm

kippy wrote: »

The main reason intel are here is that it makes financial sense. For whatever reason but Id suggest that after investing Billions into plants and technology over the years on the country it would take a lot for them to up sticks.

Exactly.

I love how many people are saying Intel stay for government grants. It’s hilarious. They’re building a fab that cost $7billion. Do people think the IDA are contributing to this is any significant ways? They are in their hoop.

Intel moved to Ireland for many reasons. They stay for many reasons. Tax rate is important, but it it changed tomorrow they wouldn’t just leave.

On the 20th anniversary they worked out that they’d spent $75 billion in Ireland. Wages, building and so on. What’s the budget of the IDA??

28-03-2021 6:09pm

fryup wrote: »

yes, but they work the @rse off ya for it

+1 I never see their staff stand still, not a handy number at all I'd say.

28-03-2021 6:10pm

Was always a story in there that it was in the contract that in exchange for grants they had to leave it back as the field it was before they came if they ever left, thus adding another huge cost to leaving. Now I would seriously doubt if (a) that’s even legal to do or (b) if anyone running anything here is intelligent enough to think of it if it were legal, so I’d be thinking myth.

28-03-2021 6:12pm

Topgear on Dave wrote: »

+1 I never see their staff stand still, not a handy number at all I'd say.

As big a myth as above. Their massive cohort of “engineers” only leave a desk to go to a meeting or the canteen for a start.

Brian? · 28-03-2021 6:59pm

ReginaldSmythV wrote: »

As big a myth as above. Their massive cohort of “engineers” only leave a desk to go to a meeting or the canteen for a start.

The best thing about being a tech was that if all the machines were up there was nothing to do. Could be incredibly busy sometimes, but mostly it was grand. Plus I go to work to actually work, not look for a handy number to dodge work in.

28-03-2021 7:02pm

Brian? wrote: »

The best thing about being a tech was that if all the machines were up there was nothing to do. Could be incredibly busy sometimes, but mostly it was grand. Plus I go to work to actually work, not look for a handy number to dodge work in.

True. You’d have PM’s or engineer work to do on days but that’s about it and there were loads of techs. Nights were extremely long if there wasn’t anything broken (and the plan was always for nothing to be broken), I’d much rather have been working myself so was hoping there would be breakdowns.

Brian? · 28-03-2021 7:07pm

ReginaldSmythV wrote: »

True. You’d have PM’s or engineer work to do on days but that’s about it and there were loads of techs. Nights were extremely long if there wasn’t anything broken (and the plan was always for nothing to be broken), I’d much rather have been working myself so was hoping there would be breakdowns.

At one stage the decision was made to do all PMd on days in my last area. It was mind numbing at night.

ExMachina1000 · 28-03-2021 7:09pm

Brian? wrote: »

The best thing about being a tech was that if all the machines were up there was nothing to do. Could be incredibly busy sometimes, but mostly it was grand. Plus I go to work to actually work, not look for a handy number to dodge work in.

I believe you stated that you were a manager of some description?

28-03-2021 7:11pm

ExMachina1000 wrote: »

I believe you stated that you were a manager of some description?

A huge amount of supervisors, GL’s, managers, etc in there would have started as techs. The company were great for clear development and progression plans so if you wanted to be a manager and hit the expectations laid out for you then it would be very unlikely not to end up one.

ExMachina1000 · 28-03-2021 7:13pm

ReginaldSmythV wrote: »

A huge amount of supervisors, GL’s, managers, etc in there would have started as techs. The company were great for clear development and progression plans so if you wanted to be a manager and hit the expectations laid out for you then it would be very unlikely not to end up one.

Great stuff.

28-03-2021 7:19pm

ExMachina1000 wrote: »

Great stuff.

It was indeed. Everything laid out clearly and regular updates on progression if you wanted them. Many other companies could learn something from it.

deravarra · 28-03-2021 7:51pm

ReginaldSmythV wrote: »

A huge amount of supervisors, GL’s, managers, etc in there would have started as techs. The company were great for clear development and progression plans so if you wanted to be a manager and hit the expectations laid out for you then it would be very unlikely not to end up one.

One thing I could never do - be a manager. The amount of childish behaviour of some employees there, and yet the manager would always have to toe the line in HR terms, and not tell ee's how foolish they were.

darragh o meara · 28-03-2021 7:56pm

Topgear on Dave wrote: »

+1 I never see their staff stand still, not a handy number at all I'd say.

In my area and most others that I know, we’re busy but wouldn’t say overly busy. The process is complicated and some tasks require a bit of thought, they would prefer you spent an extra 10 mins doing a task and being right instead of rushing it and getting it wrong. I’ve worked in other places that put output over safety and quality.

Brian? · 28-03-2021 8:25pm

ExMachina1000 wrote: »

I believe you stated that you were a manager of some description?

I was, after I was a tech. Why does it matter?

fryup · 28-03-2021 9:57pm

did many from HP migrate over to intel?

0lddog · 29-03-2021 11:48am

Commentary from the specialist press

https://www.eenewseurope.com/news/intel-goes-full-foundry?fnid=136356

awec · 29-03-2021 1:12pm

A Tyrant Named Miltiades! wrote: »

That happens all the time. Yes. My exams were paid for by an employer, and they paid for study time. Over in the healthcare industry, I'm pretty sure that doctors' training is all paid for on a non-committal basis. This is a lot more commonplace than people might expect.

You should absolutely not be giving away your free time to make profits for some MNC

If you are talking about skills that are specific to a particular employer with no transferrable value then you have a point.

For more general things like masters etc you're talking nonsense. Of course there is a benefit to the individual as well as the employer. The individual doesn't cease to hold a masters degree (or whatever else) when they leave that employer. The individual can use their masters degree to command a better salary or a better job elsewhere.

The individual could even use the skills they acquire to start their own business if they so desire.

Intel paying their employees to upskill with real qualifications (not Intel-specific ones) on company time is an excellent deal for anyone taking it.

fryup · 29-03-2021 4:52pm

Deleted User wrote: »

If people think wearing PPE at work is a pain, you should try Intel's double layer space suit. That you have to put on twice a day and wear for 6 hours at a time.

did everyone have to wear the spacesuits? and what happens when you need to go to the loo? do you have to strip off completely? and put it back on again?

Pawwed Rig · 29-03-2021 5:34pm

fryup wrote: »

did everyone have to wear the spacesuits? and what happens when you need to go to the loo? do you have to strip off completely? and put it back on again?

Yeah. You learn to plan your toilet breaks.

Not everyone had to wear them but most in manufacturing do

deravarra · 29-03-2021 5:38pm

Pawwed Rig wrote: »

Yeah. You learn to plan your toilet breaks.

Not everyone had to wear them but most in manufacturing do

Not so nice if you had a dodgy tummy. Having to walk very carefully back to the gownroom from the farthest end of the fab to degown and then find a vacant clean loo would make SAS: Who dares wins look like a walk in the park

mondeoman72 · 14-08-2021 12:48pm

I see they are currently recruiting. Someone I know had an interview this week for a technician role. Does anyone know what their response time is? Are they likely to hear back in a week or two? or will it be longer?

fryup · 14-08-2021 1:12pm

is it a hole of a place?

Brian? · 14-08-2021 2:15pm

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/117752065#Comment_117752065

No

Why the incessant negativity if you’ve never worked there? It’s actually a very good place to work. It has its faults, like anywhere, but you’ll be very well treated and very well paid

mondeoman72 · 14-08-2021 2:34pm

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/117752550#Comment_117752550

Any idea how long it takes them to reply to people if their interview was sucessful?

Brian? · 14-08-2021 2:37pm

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/117752649#Comment_117752649

I would expect less than 2 weeks. We made the decisions on the day of the interview and passed them on to recruitment the next day.

What happened then, I don’t know. But it couldn’t take too long. How long have you been waiting? What’s the job?

14-08-2021 5:04pm

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/117752550#Comment_117752550

It’s a place to get the head down and make as much as possible before you grow to hate it.

ShatterAlan · 14-08-2021 5:26pm

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/2058171943/intel

Some parts of it are not for "working". They might be for parking, recreation, eating, etc.

Brian? · 14-08-2021 6:00pm

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/117753429#Comment_117753429

I never grew to hate it. Most of the people I worked with are still there and don’t hate it. I left because I got a better opportunity.

If they came with the right offer I might even go back.

deravarra · 14-08-2021 8:35pm

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/117753429#Comment_117753429

I actually hated some of the people more so than the place itself.

I've actually come to love the place, and despise less of the people now that most of the jerks have either left or have been turfed out.

L1011 · 14-08-2021 8:43pm

They're currently looking to put a second plant in Europe, most likely not in Ireland but in another high cost country - there's supply chains needed for semiconductor plants that make it cheaper to site yourself near one (as they did themselves here siting near-ish to NEC in Ballivor who have since closed); so they'll probably go to France, Germany or Northern Italy. None cheap

This is of zero threat to the Irish ops either.

Brian? · 14-08-2021 9:04pm

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/117755027#Comment_117755027

I heard France or Belgium lately.

I suspect it won’t be France. The labour relations there wouldn’t suit them at all. Belgium would be ideal for me, it’s only down the road from Eindhoven where I’m living.

L1011 · 14-08-2021 9:07pm

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/117755144#Comment_117755144

Belgiums a legit possibility too, but there is the long term instability of the country to consider!

But basically - these jobs will not go to cheap economies.

ongarite · 14-08-2021 9:12pm

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/117755166#Comment_117755166

IMEC is in Leuven which is centre of R&D and test bed for most equipment manufacturers. Would make sense to have plant near there.

Germany is most likely IMO due to having automotive FAB plants & Global Foundries in Dresden. All the supply chain and engineering talent needed is close by.

Brian? · 14-08-2021 9:22pm

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/117755197#Comment_117755197

I would have thought Germany was logical too. By TSMC are supposed to be building near Dresden as well, that’s serious competition for talent.

DaveyDave · 14-08-2021 10:51pm

Google Maps satellite data was updated recently, Fab 34 looks like a good size alright.

IamMe33 · 17-08-2021 1:06am

Is it true there's a three second rule for looking at someone in eyes there?

Obviously if this is true it's to prevent lads starting at women.

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