Leinster Vs Munster Pro 14 final build up thread

connemara man · 23-03-2021 12:51pm #1

To save two team threads getting messy

Here's a thread for you to get you started

Munster looking for their first silverware in 10 years
Leinster going for 4 in a row

cameramonkey · 23-03-2021 12:53pm

connemara man wrote: »

To save two team threads getting messy

Here's a thread for you to get you started

Munster looking for their first silverware in 10 years
Leinster going for 4 in a row

Jesus is it 10 years?

bayern · 23-03-2021 12:55pm

connemara man wrote: »

To save two team threads getting messy

Here's a thread for you to get you started

Munster looking for their first silverware in 10 years
Leinster going for 4 in a row

going for 6 wins in a row over Munster.

and we all know, no one beats Munster 6 times in a row.

irishbucsfan · 23-03-2021 12:57pm

I think Munster should be able to keep this one VERY close (for the first 10 minutes)

Former Former Former · 23-03-2021 12:59pm

Leinster are 3/10 to win, Munster 5/2. Handicap is 7 pts.

I think Munster are going to have a stronger XV on the day because of Leinster injuries and lads being rested, so I think this could be Munster's day.

thomond2006 · 23-03-2021 1:01pm

Former Former Former wrote: »

Leinster are 3/10 to win, Munster 5/2. Handicap is 7 pts.

I think Munster are going to have a stronger XV on the day because of Leinster injuries and lads being rested, so I think this could be Munster's day.

It's going to be close to full strength it seems. Which side that benefits more is an interesting question.

yerrahbah · 23-03-2021 1:06pm

I'll reserve judgment until I see the teams.

They say the internationals are available, whether or not they will be selected (with an eye on Europe) is another question

The Inbetween is mine · 23-03-2021 1:12pm

I'm looking forward to this, I must admit....
think we'll win by 20+ points.

What? Im allowed dream ffs

ClanofLams · 23-03-2021 1:13pm

They have to play full teams imo. Xmas interpros are one thing but if you're not playing full teams in final you're really saying competition doesn't matter so expect two first teams even if provinces wanted to rest players.

Squidgy Black · 23-03-2021 1:25pm

It's mental that we're even discussing the possibility of not fielding full strength teams for the league final in favour of rotation because we have European quarter finals the following week. The Rainbow Cup can't come fast enough, or some form of alternative.

yerrahbah · 23-03-2021 1:26pm

ClanofLams wrote: »

They have to play full teams imo. Xmas interpros are one thing but if you're not playing full teams in final you're really saying competition doesn't matter so expect two first teams even if provinces wanted to rest players.

Sexton was a sub in last years final

thomond2006 · 23-03-2021 1:28pm

Squidgy Black wrote: »

It's mental that we're even discussing the possibility of not fielding full strength teams for the league final in favour of rotation because we have European quarter finals the following week. The Rainbow Cup can't come fast enough, or some form of alternative.

It's two European games back to back in the Round of 16 and QF.
Anyway, by the sounds of it the teams will be close to full strength.

bayern · 23-03-2021 1:33pm

Squidgy Black wrote: »

It's mental that we're even discussing the possibility of not fielding full strength teams for the league final in favour of rotation because we have European quarter finals the following week. The Rainbow Cup can't come fast enough, or some form of alternative.

Blame competition organisers, who have devalued competition for the South Africans

sydthebeat · 23-03-2021 1:33pm

bayern wrote: »

Blame competition organisers, who have devalued competition for the South Africans

and covid of course

thomond2006 · 23-03-2021 1:35pm

bayern wrote: »

Blame competition organisers, who have devalued competition for the South Africans

Devalued what exactly? The league has been terrible this season, long before the Rainbow Cup was a thing.

Can you explain what your issue is?

bayern · 23-03-2021 1:35pm

Mike Adamson to ref

yerrahbah · 23-03-2021 1:36pm

We have a ref, Limericks Joy Neville is TMO

https://twitter.com/PRO14Official/status/1374338296348823559

bayern · 23-03-2021 1:37pm

thomond2006 wrote: »

Devalued what exactly?

The league has been terrible. Can you explain what your issue is?

They've cut the league schedule short, removed semi finals and generally treated the league as a competition as a inconsequential event to be shoe horned in at the end of the 6 nations

bayern · 23-03-2021 1:38pm

yerrahbah wrote: »

We have a ref, Limericks Joy Neville is TMO

https://twitter.com/PRO14Official/status/1374338296348823559

POM is safe to dive into all the rucks he likes so.

thomond2006 · 23-03-2021 1:38pm

bayern wrote: »

They've cut the league schedule short, removed semi finals and generally treated the league as a competition as a inconsequential event.

The league has been an inconsequential event, compared to other competitions, since ever.

There's bigger factors at play too than the Proxx. The SA players need a tune up prior to whatever the Lions series turns out to be.

aloooof · 23-03-2021 1:41pm

thomond2006 wrote: »

The league has been an inconsequential event, compared to other competitions, since ever.

*Except 2011, obviously, Thomond.

FACECUTTR · 23-03-2021 1:41pm

Munsters game to lose !!!
You are welcome Thomond !!!

thomond2006 · 23-03-2021 1:47pm

It's no coincidence that Munster haven't won a trophy since John Hayes retired.

Cookiemunster · 23-03-2021 1:52pm

bayern wrote: »

They've cut the league schedule short, removed semi finals and generally treated the league as a competition as a inconsequential event to be shoe horned in at the end of the 6 nations

In fairness the schedule was cut short by a whole 2 matches. It wouldn't have made much difference to the final standings and you'd probably have ended up with the same final anyway.

Clegg · 23-03-2021 1:53pm

Leinster will have a big advantage in the front 5 but other than that I think things are pretty even. We would have had an advantage in the centres if Ringrose were fit, but he's out for a few weeks.

arsebiscuits1 · 23-03-2021 1:56pm

Clegg wrote: »

Leinster will have a big advantage in the front 5 but other than that I think things are pretty even. We would have had an advantage in the centres if Ringrose were fit, but he's out for a few weeks.

If I had to get an advantage anywhere on the team I know where I would want it to be though ha

bayern · 23-03-2021 1:57pm

Clegg wrote: »

Leinster will have a big advantage in the front 5 but other than that I think things are pretty even. We would have had an advantage in the centres if Ringrose were fit, but he's out for a few weeks.

I dunno Beirne will be the best 2nd row and likely forward on the pitch.. Leinster will have big advantage in front row but back 5 of the pack.. may shade toward Munster

CMcsporty · 23-03-2021 1:58pm

https://twitter.com/RugbyRoomPod/status/1374338796041408520?s=20

CMcsporty · 23-03-2021 2:00pm

Praying for a Carbery v Sexton re-match

bayern · 23-03-2021 2:02pm

CMcsporty wrote: »

Praying for a Carbery v Sexton re-match

pray for Carbery's ankle.

but most likely we will have Ross Byrne showing Joey how to play outhalf properly and not for the first time.

eastie17 · 23-03-2021 2:06pm

Is it on telly? If so where?
Thanks

Clegg · 23-03-2021 2:06pm

bayern wrote: »

I dunno Beirne will be the best 2nd row and likely forward on the pitch.. Leinster will have big advantage in front row but back 5 of the pack.. may shade toward Munster

You're right about Beirne. But that advantage is negated by the probable presence of Jean Kleyn. I really don't rate him.

That being said, I think Leinsters advantage in the front 5 hinges on Ryan Baird. We need an athletic presence at lock in the absence of Ryan. I don't think we can start Toner and Fardy against the better sides anymore.

yerrahbah · 23-03-2021 2:10pm

https://twitter.com/CianTracey1/status/1374347049626386440

yerrahbah · 23-03-2021 2:12pm

eastie17 wrote: »

Is it on telly? If so where?
Thanks

Eir agus TG4

https://www.pro14.rugby/match-centre

CMcsporty · 23-03-2021 2:18pm

bayern wrote: »

pray for Carbery's ankle.

but most likely we will have Ross Byrne showing Joey how to play outhalf properly and not for the first time.

Go on outa that!
If we dont get Sexton I want Harry v Joey

bayern · 23-03-2021 2:19pm

CMcsporty wrote: »

Go on outa that!
If we dont get Sexton I want Harry v Joey

Harry's chance of starting the final went out the window against Ospreys and probably missing the ulster away game.

CMcsporty · 23-03-2021 2:25pm

Byrne Bouncebackability test!

.ak · 23-03-2021 2:25pm

Yeah, all joking aside, this isnt the game for Harry to cut his teeth in. He's doing well, picking up experience consistently, but still has a lot to learn in regards to the nuances of game management.

I've no doubt he'll surpass his brother, but it'll be another 12 months atleast, barring injury.

The Inbetween is mine · 23-03-2021 3:02pm

1 Cronin
2 Scannell
3 Ryan
4 Kleyn
5 Beirne
6 POM
7 Cloete
8 Coombes
9 Murray
10 Joey
11 Earls
12 DeAllende
13 Farrell
14 Conway
15 Haley

That's what I think we'll go with

bayern · 23-03-2021 3:04pm

The Inbetween is mine wrote: »

1 Cronin
2 Scannell
3 Ryan
4 Kleyn
5 Beirne
6 POM
7 Cloete
8 Coombes
9 Murray
10 Joey
11 Earls
12 DeAllende
13 Farrell
14 Conway
15 Haley

That's what I think we'll go with

Stander?

lawrencesummers · 23-03-2021 3:06pm

Hard to see anything other than a Leinster win here.

Munster form has been up and down, very few positions are definite because of rotation and injury.

Munster have consistently fallen short on the big day and this won’t be any different.

The Inbetween is mine · 23-03-2021 3:06pm

bayern wrote: »

Stander?

Personally I'd like to see Coombes start, have CJ on the bench...

lawrencesummers · 23-03-2021 3:06pm

bayern wrote: »

Stander?

6 CJ
7 POM
8 combs

Jump_In_Jack · 23-03-2021 3:07pm

My guess at Munster 23 for final:

1. Cronin, 2. Scannell, 3. Archer
4. Beirne(Holland), 5. Kleyn
6. Stander(O'Donoghue), 8. Coombes, 7. O'Mahony
9. Murray, 10. Carbery
11. Earls(Daly), 12. De Allende, 13. Farrell, 14. Conway
15. Haley

16. Marshall, 17. Loughman, 18. Ryan, 19. Holland(Ahern), 20. O'Donoghue(Cloete), 21. Casey, 22. Hanrahan, 23. Daly(Sweetnam).

Possible changes if Ireland players were to be too fatigued from multiple 6N appearances:
Beirne - Holland to start, Ahern to bench
Stander - O'Donoghue to start, Cloete to bench
Earls - Daly to start, Sweetnam to bench

Missing due to injury but might have made the 23 otherwise:
[Probably] Kilcoyne - HIA
Snyman - ACL
Fineen Wycherley - Neck

Close calls:
Kevin O'Byrne could edge out Marshall for the hooker bench spot.
Thomas Ahern could edge out Kleyn at tight side lock.
O'Sullivan could edge out Cloete for the back row bench spot if Stander doesn't play.
Healy could get on to the bench if Carbery doesn't play, and Hanrahan would start.
Daly could start ahead of Conway, not sure which is the better player right now.
Scannell, Nash or Gallagher could get the utility back bench spot instead of Sweetnam if Earls doesn't play.

Tommybojangles · 23-03-2021 3:09pm

.ak wrote: »

Yeah, all joking aside, this isnt the game for Harry to cut his teeth in.

The Ireland thread a few weeks ago would have told you the France game was the one to cut his teeth in ::D

bayern · 23-03-2021 8:42pm

Munster training in Thomond today, that's different. :pac:

mfceiling · 23-03-2021 10:26pm

Tommybojangles wrote: »

The Ireland thread a few weeks ago would have told you the France game was the one to cut his teeth in ::D

True. He's above Pro14 level so this game would be pretty meaningless to him.

23-03-2021 10:46pm

Tempting fate but imo other than Beirne Munster's tight 5 just isn't that great imo, if Leinster can get on top there the rest will look after itself.

arsebiscuits1 · 24-03-2021 12:41pm

Clayton Orange Maiden wrote: »

Tempting fate but imo other than Beirne Munster's tight 5 just isn't that great imo, if Leinster can get on top there the rest will look after itself.

Yeah I would say Leinster shade that battle alright.

Is Killer confirmed unavailable? That would broaden the gap also.

Healy, Byrne and Dooley are all great loosehead stocks to have

At tighthead I wouldn't have Munsters first choice ahead of Leinsters 3rd (Bent)

Hookers is all advantage Leinster too as they offer a lot more than their red peers and both sides have had their throwing woes.

Tadgh Beirne is in the form of his life but compounded by the fact that he'll likely be partnering Kleyn whose just not a reliable enough player in big games.

Leinster even without Ryan can put out an incredible capable second row unit choosing from Baird, Toner, Fardy and Molony.

As a Unit, Leinsters front 5 should have the advantage. If Killer is fit that might change things. But not by much

The Inbetween is mine · 24-03-2021 1:09pm

arsebiscuits1 wrote: »

Yeah I would say Leinster shade that battle alright.

Is Killer confirmed unavailable? That would broaden the gap also.

Healy, Byrne and Dooley are all great loosehead stocks to have

At tighthead I wouldn't have Munsters first choice ahead of Leinsters 3rd (Bent)

Hookers is all advantage Leinster too as they offer a lot more than their red peers and both sides have had their throwing woes.

Tadgh Beirne is in the form of his life but compounded by the fact that he'll likely be partnering Kleyn whose just not a reliable enough player in big games.

Leinster even without Ryan can put out an incredible capable second row unit choosing from Baird, Toner, Fardy and Molony.

As a Unit, Leinsters front 5 should have the advantage. If Killer is fit that might change things. But not by much

TBH, I would pick any of Munster's 3 hookers over anything that Leinster have.. K O'Byrne would saunter into that Leinster side on the L'Oréal effect alone!

arsebiscuits1 · 24-03-2021 1:24pm

The Inbetween is mine wrote: »

TBH, I would pick any of Munster's 3 hookers over anything that Leinster have.. K O'Byrne would saunter into that Leinster side on the L'Oréal effect alone!

Can't say I agree with that one.

Cronin, Kelleher and Sheehan all offer very significant points of difference over their peers.

Cronin in pace and experience.

Kelleher in genuine impact physicality that's been demonstrated at test level against some international units.

Sheehan in wrecking ball tendencies going forward.

All have had their issues from touch but Munsters lineout has hardly been stellar with KOB frequently a cuprit of poor throws recently

Leinster Vs Munster Pro 14 final build up thread

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