Leinster Vs Munster Pro 14 final build up thread

typhoony

so player welfare may not be as important as people are saying, the fact is that there no international games for over 7 months, only players with Lions prospects will be hoping for a rest

irishbucsfan

typhoony wrote: »

so player welfare may not be as important as people are saying, the fact is that there no international games for over 7 months, only players with Lions prospects will be hoping for a rest

Player welfare is changing a lot as well, its far more quantified these days (rather than just having to rely on X number of games in Y weeks etc)

Jump_In_Jack

Player Welfare surely means what’s in the best interest of the player, not when Ireland play or not.

Henshaw is either fatigued/battered or he’s not, I presume the decision would be taken out of his hands as to whether he is suitably fit and injury free or not.

There’s always the fear of the straw that breaks the camel’s back so to speak, if he plays and gets a serious injury like a ligament tear etc due to his body being vulnerable after the 6 nations toll on his body questions would have to be asked.

bayern

Jump_In_Jack wrote: »

Player Welfare surely means what’s in the best interest of the player, not when Ireland play or not.

Henshaw is either fatigued/battered or he’s not, I presume the decision would be taken out of his hands as to whether he is suitably fit and injury free or not.

There’s always the fear of the straw that breaks the camel’s back so to speak, if he plays and gets a serious injury like a ligament tear etc due to his body being vulnerable after the 6 nations toll on his body questions would have to be asked.

the same applies for Tadhg Beirne.. but he is starting too.

.ak

Jump_In_Jack wrote: »

Player Welfare surely means what’s in the best interest of the player, not when Ireland play or not.

Henshaw is either fatigued/battered or he’s not, I presume the decision would be taken out of his hands as to whether he is suitably fit and injury free or not.

There’s always the fear of the straw that breaks the camel’s back so to speak, if he plays and gets a serious injury like a ligament tear etc due to his body being vulnerable after the 6 nations toll on his body questions would have to be asked.

Yeah its not that simple. There's a huge amount of data drawn from elite games, to the point now where they feel they can predict when a player may be due an injury/fatigued. The GPS tags they wear feed into that data. It's a fairly established science at this stage.

Now obviously, there's always risk of bad luck and whatnot, but we're following the trends within the rugby world in regards to monitoring players.

It's defo not a case of asking Robbie how he feels and see he's still tearing it up in training. Player welfare extends well past the next game. For example, nobody wants to burn out a load of players by next year. Their future is very much considered.

Yeah_Right

swiwi_ wrote: »

Go raibh míle maith agat...

So disappointed to discover that doesn't mean "kiss my Swiss roll". Lift your game swiwi.

thomond2006

Kick the leather off the ball and go after Larmour and Lowe. I'll take a 3-0 win in the worst rugby match ever played.

irishbucsfan

thomond2006 wrote: »

Kick the leather off the ball and go after Larmour and Lowe. I'll take a 3-0 win in the worst rugby match ever played.

I think you got Munster’s total right anyway

sydthebeat

irishbucsfan wrote: »

I think you got Munster’s total right anyway

go on .. say it...

they'll never go ahead at any stage in the game

irishbucsfan

sydthebeat wrote: »

go on .. say it...

they'll never go ahead at any stage in the game

They might score a penalty before falling behind

The Inbetween is mine

Hide Lowe's hairbobbles and the games ours!!

Podge_irl

Jump_In_Jack wrote: »

There’s always the fear of the straw that breaks the camel’s back so to speak, if he plays and gets a serious injury like a ligament tear etc due to his body being vulnerable after the 6 nations toll on his body questions would have to be asked.

A ligament tear is a traumatic injury, pretty sure you're not going to get it from playing too many matches.

Must love hardship

Jump_In_Jack wrote: »

Would the below be a fair stab at a Leinster 23?

1. Byrne, 2. Kelleher, 3. Porter,
4. Baird, 5. Toner
6. Ruddock, 8. Conan, 7. Van der Flier,
9. Gibson-Park, 10. R Byrne,
11. Lowe, 12. O'Loughlin, 13. Osborne, 14. Kearney,
15. Larmour.

16. Cronin, 17. Dooley, 18. Furlong, 19. Fardy, 20. Penny, McGrath, H Byrne, Kelleher.

Resting: Healy, Sexton, Henshaw, Keenan.
Injured: J Ryan, Connors, Doris, Ringrose, Leavy, Deegan.

Close calls:
Tracy could get on the bench ahead of Cronin.
Bent could bench if Furlong were rested, and Porter could start.
Murphy could get on the bench ahead of Penny.
Hawkshaw/Turner/O'Reilly could bench if Osborne weren't selected, might be too inexperienced for this match, in which case maybe Kelleher to fullback and Larmour to 13.

I'm assuming the other injured players that would be on the fringes of a 23 are:
Frawley, J O'Brien, C O'Brien, T O'Brien, A Byrne.

Id say they will start their first choice 9.
Mcgrath.

Sheep Shagger

Match programme

https://www.yumpu.com/en/document/view/65412151/leinster-vs-munster-pro14-final-2021

thomond2006

thomond2006 wrote: »

Kick the leather off the ball and go after Larmour and Lowe. I'll take a 3-0 win in the worst rugby match ever played.

Dave will start, Munster will get zero change from him.

ScissorPaperRock

The Inbetween is mine wrote: »

Hide Lowe's hairbobbles and the games ours!!

Or run in his general direction... will probably score a try or two.

:P

stephen_n

aloooof wrote: »

Bookies have Leinster 6 point favourites. I don't see that changing much, tbh.

Sure lookit, Munster are only lucky to be sharing a field with the behemoth that is Leinster rugby, and we'll give it our best on the day.

Leinster are nearly always favorites with the bookies though. How many points were Leinster favorites last week?

sydthebeat

stephen_n wrote: »

Leinster are nearly always favorites with the bookies though. How many points were Leinster favorites last week?

24

molloyjh

ScissorPaperRock wrote: »

Or run in his general direction... will probably score a try or two.

:P

They'll need to have the ball first. Then they'll need to get it past DDA and Chris Farrell, eh I mean the Leinster midfield defence.....

aloooof

stephen_n wrote: »

Leinster are nearly always favorites with the bookies though. How many points were Leinster favorites last week?

One game is a pretty small sample size, tho. Do you not think there might be a reason they're nearly always favourite?

I'm amazed ye bucks don't have more confidence in yer team at this stage!

stephen_n

aloooof wrote: »

One game is a pretty small sample size, tho. Do you not think there might be a reason they're nearly always favourite?

I'm amazed ye bucks don't have more confidence in yer team at this stage!

I’m fully confident that even if Munster do turn up, they will find some way to lose the game

Ferris is backing Munster though.
https://www.rte.ie/sport/rugby/2021/0325/1206205-ferris-backs-munster-to-upset-leinster-in-pro14-final/

FrannoFan

Only third time munster and Leinster have met in a final in 20 years! For such a rivalry I expected more.

Akrasia

stephen_n wrote: »

I’m fully confident that even if Munster do turn up, they will find some way to lose the game

Ferris is backing Munster though.
https://www.rte.ie/sport/rugby/2021/0325/1206205-ferris-backs-munster-to-upset-leinster-in-pro14-final/

Munsters 1st choice team is just as good as Leinsters 1st choice team. Our problem is in the depth chart and we haven’t had our 1st choice playmaker fit in almost 2 years

Munster will Win this weekend
We have way more to play for than Leinster have. CJs last ever league game is worth 10 points on its own

PTH2009

Let's hope Munster do it on Saturday, we owe Leinster one and then we have the motivation for CJ

Does having the Rainbow cup take away from this 'final', we could easily see a Munster vs Leinster final in that too

Great to have this game live on TG4 on Saturday

cameramonkey

Akrasia wrote: »

Munsters 1st choice team is just as good as Leinsters 1st choice team. Our problem is in the depth chart and we haven’t had our 1st choice playmaker fit in almost 2 years

Munster will Win this weekend
We have way more to play for than Leinster have. CJs last ever league game is worth 10 points on its own

Your problem is your coach plus the fact that your 1st choice team is not as good as Leinster's .

BoardsMember

FrannoFan wrote: »

Only third time munster and Leinster have met in a final in 20 years! For such a rivalry I expected more.

Munster keep losing semi finals, we're doing our bit up here....

bayern

This is effectively Leinsters league Cup and Munsters biggest game in a decade.

Leinster won't be naming their strongest available side l, while Munster will.

A win for Munster is almost required for the rivalry. Personally I hope Leinster stomp Munster but have a feeling it will be a "famous" win.

FrannoFan

FrannoFan wrote: »

Only third time munster and Leinster have met in a final in 20 years! For such a rivalry I expected more.

It's also the second time in about 7 or 8 months isn't it? So the previous one was the 2001 14 man win?

Icemancometh

Clayton Orange Maiden wrote: »

It's also the second time in about 7 or 8 months isn't it? So the previous one was the 2001 14 man win?

No, that was a semi final. Leinster Ulster was the final. The previous league final was 2011 in Thomond, a week after the Northampton Leinster Heineken Cup final.

Burkie1203

Clayton Orange Maiden wrote: »

It's also the second time in about 7 or 8 months isn't it? So the previous one was the 2001 14 man win?

Last one was a semi final

2011 was last final between the two