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Covid 19 Part XXXIII-231,484 ROI(4,610 deaths)116,197 NI (2,107 deaths)(23/03)Read OP

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  • #7532
    ShineOn7
    Closed Accounts Posts: 4,550 ✭✭✭ShineOn7


    Monster249 wrote: »
    Varadkar and Harris were actually tolerable, Martin & Donnelly really are so annoyingly dour.


    Their "briefings" are - genuinely - one of the most depressing things I've ever seen

    And I've seen Scary Movie 2 in 2001 :pac:

    Varadkar is basically a politician meets social media influencer at this stage, but you would genuinely miss him as a leader

    He gave a sense of authority. He gave speeches we could at least understand

    Martin is painfully, painfully out of his depth

    And what's more worrying is we are stuck with him and Donnelly for the rest of the main part of this pandemic


  • #7533
    Wolf359f
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 6,635 ✭✭✭Wolf359f


    Goldengirl wrote: »
    Some of those in ICU have been there a long time at this stage .
    Cases slowing down admission wise to critical care according to the numbers hospitalised but some of these people don't get better quickly .

    As a result only 2 ICU beds left open in Dublin hospitals.

    Still over 65s becoming ill as not vaccinated yet .

    Just wondering with that last deal done with the private hospitals, has anything actually happened in them, like elective surgery etc... or were they just left empty in case more **** hit the fan faster?

    I've a feeling when most of this is behind us, they will be paid for a third time to heal clear backlog procedures.


  • #7534
    rob316
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 18,972 ✭✭✭✭rob316


    Another clear indication today of who's running the show. NPHET talking about tight restrictions until june and martin is playing catch up. This is farcical at this stage.


  • #7535
    Van.Bosch
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 3,022 ✭✭✭Van.Bosch


    rob316 wrote: »
    Another clear indication today of who's running the show. NPHET talking about tight restrictions until june and martin is playing catch up. This is farcical at this stage.

    The government seem happy to hide and leave NPHET in the public eye.


  • #7536
    Tyrone212
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,570 ✭✭✭Tyrone212


    Monster249 wrote: »
    Varadkar and Harris were actually tolerable, Martin & Donnelly really are so annoyingly dour.

    Varadkar talking about not only superheroes wear capes and quoting mean girls was vomit inducing. Harris seems daft and clueless, last summer he said on the radio regarding vaccines, we have to remember there was 18 covids before and we didn't get a vaccine for any of them. I wouldn't even expect that sort of a comment from America. How he got minister for health is beyond me. Zero qualifications in that field or any field.

    We've swapped ****e for more ****e.


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  • #7537
    Tyrone212
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,570 ✭✭✭Tyrone212


    Any update on the Hotel quarantine? Glacial pace.


  • #7538
    Arghus
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2, Paid Member Posts: 15,504 ✭✭✭✭Arghus


    The briefings came into being at a time when nobody had a clue what was going on, everybody was anxious and fearful and the number one concern was to get basic information out to people about what to do, what was happening as regards the progression of the disease.

    It made sense to hear about at the time from people who had expertise, from a body that was set up explicitly to deal with the public health emergency that was taking place.

    There was no coherence or message from government beyond how to get beyond the first initial phase. It was just a case of getting through it. Politics effectively stopped for a period - the opposition disappeared, the issue of FG being effectively a caretaker government didn't matter anymore for a while. Nobody wanted to hear from politicians and politicians were happy enough not be heard.

    The government had no problem letting NPHET become the figureheads because, at the time, they had no difference of ideas from NPHET and taking about the public health crisis in depth and detail was way beyond their capabilities.

    Effectively it was a case of - you've been set up to deal with this, you're the experts, we don't know what to say or what we're talking about and people seem happy enough to hear it from you - so off you go.

    As time went on the politicians were more distracted trying to put a government together, so it was grand from their perspective to let NPHET hold the fort in front of the media and hopefully by the time the crisis had passed there'd be a new government in place and the crisis would be over and everyone would be mighty pleased with themselves. But it hasn't turned out like that.

    I really don't know what the likes of Donnelly or Martin would bring to an average NPHET briefing. Any time any government Minister is on stage with either Holahan or Glynn it's obvious that they are out of their depth talking with any authority or semblance of understanding - and spend a lot of their time asking the CMO to bail them out when faced with a difficult question.

    I think Glynn has been doing sterling work over the last few weeks talking in front of the media. He's articulate, knowledgeable, patient, empathetic. He tries his damdest to explain the rationale behind everything.

    The main problem as I see it between the briefings is that they make the gulf in competence, knowledge and even basic communication skills between our politicians and the public health experts painfully clear.

    A lot of the issue that people have with their continued presence in the public eye is pretty simple: they aren't telling people what they want to hear.


  • #7539
    Goldengirl
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2, Paid Member Posts: 16,818 ✭✭✭✭Goldengirl


    ShineOn7 wrote: »
    Their "briefings" are - genuinely - one of the most depressing things I've ever seen

    And I've seen Scary Movie 2 in 2001 :pac:

    Varadkar is basically a politician meets social media influencer at this stage, but you would genuinely miss him as a leader

    He gave a sense of authority. He gave speeches we could at least understand

    Martin is painfully, painfully out of his depth

    And what's more worrying is we are stuck with him and Donnelly for the rest of the main part of this pandemic

    Donnelly is so bad , the worst imo.
    He never gets a thing right, unbelievably incompetent .

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  • #7540
    Goldengirl
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2, Paid Member Posts: 16,818 ✭✭✭✭Goldengirl


    Wolf359f wrote: »
    Just wondering with that last deal done with the private hospitals, has anything actually happened in them, like elective surgery etc... or were they just left empty in case more **** hit the fan faster?

    I've a feeling when most of this is behind us, they will be paid for a third time to heal clear backlog procedures.

    Some elective surgeries being done , but yes under utilised . Shame really .
    It might have led to a greater partnership if pursued with more vigour .
    They will be well paid to clear the backlogs though ,as they will be getting back to normal themselves .

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  • #7541
    Goldengirl
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2, Paid Member Posts: 16,818 ✭✭✭✭Goldengirl


    Tyrone212 wrote: »
    Varadkar talking about not only superheroes wear capes and quoting mean girls was vomit inducing. Harris seems daft and clueless, last summer he said on the radio regarding vaccines, we have to remember there was 18 covids before and we didn't get a vaccine for any of them. I wouldn't even expect that sort of a comment from America. How he got minister for health is beyond me. Zero qualifications in that field or any field.

    We've swapped ****e for more ****e.

    Wasn't he elected when he was in TransitionYear ? Harris , that is ..

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  • #7542
    normanoffside
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 10,256 ✭✭✭✭normanoffside


    Arghus wrote: »
    The briefings came into being at a time when nobody had a clue what was going on, everybody was anxious and fearful and the number one concern was to get basic information out to people about what to do, what was happening as regards the progression of the disease.

    It made sense to hear about at the time from people who had expertise, from a body that was set up explicitly to deal with the public health emergency that was taking place.

    There was no coherence or message from government beyond how to get beyond the first initial phase. It was just a case of getting through it. Politics effectively stopped for a period - the opposition disappeared, the issue of FG being effectively a caretaker government didn't matter anymore for a while. Nobody wanted to hear from politicians and politicians were happy enough not be heard.

    The government had no problem letting NPHET become the figureheads because, at the time, they had no difference of ideas from NPHET and taking about the public health crisis in depth and detail was way beyond their capabilities.

    Effectively it was a case of - you've been set up to deal with this, you're the experts, we don't know what to say or what we're talking about and people seem happy enough to hear it from you - so off you go.

    As time went on the politicians were more distracted trying to put a government together, so it was grand from their perspective to let NPHET hold the fort in front of the media and hopefully by the time the crisis had passed there'd be a new government in place and the crisis would be over and everyone would be mighty pleased with themselves. But it hasn't turned out like that.

    I really don't know what the likes of Donnelly or Martin would bring to an average NPHET briefing. Any time any government Minister is on stage with either Holahan or Glynn it's obvious that they are out of their depth talking with any authority or semblance of understanding - and spend a lot of their time asking the CMO to bail them out when faced with a difficult question.

    I think Glynn has been doing sterling work over the last few weeks talking in front of the media. He's articulate, knowledgeable, patient, empathetic. He tries his damdest to explain the rationale behind everything.

    The main problem as I see it between the briefings is that they make the gulf in competence, knowledge and even basic communication skills between our politicians and the public health experts painfully clear.

    A lot of the issue that people have with their continued presence in the public eye is pretty simple: they aren't telling people what they want to hear.

    I do actually feel sorry for Glynn, he is definitely a Patsy in this all at the moment.


  • #7543
    Azatadine
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2, Paid Member Posts: 3,624 ✭✭✭Azatadine


    Tyrone212 wrote: »
    Varadkar talking about not only superheroes wear capes and quoting mean girls was vomit inducing. Harris seems daft and clueless, last summer he said on the radio regarding vaccines, we have to remember there was 18 covids before and we didn't get a vaccine for any of them. I wouldn't even expect that sort of a comment from America. How he got minister for health is beyond me. Zero qualifications in that field or any field.

    We've swapped ****e for more ****e.

    Did he actually say that? I always thought it was a joke?


  • #7544
    Goldengirl
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2, Paid Member Posts: 16,818 ✭✭✭✭Goldengirl


    Arghus wrote: »
    The briefings came into being at a time when nobody had a clue what was going on, everybody was anxious and fearful and the number one concern was to get basic information out to people about what to do, what was happening as regards the progression of the disease.

    It made sense to hear about at the time from people who had expertise, from a body that was set up explicitly to deal with the public health emergency that was taking place.

    There was no coherence or message from government beyond how to get beyond the first initial phase. It was just a case of getting through it. Politics effectively stopped for a period - the opposition disappeared, the issue of FG being effectively a caretaker government didn't matter anymore for a while. Nobody wanted to hear from politicians and politicians were happy enough not be heard.

    The government had no problem letting NPHET become the figureheads because, at the time, they had no difference of ideas from NPHET and taking about the public health crisis in depth and detail was way beyond their capabilities.

    Effectively it was a case of - you've been set up to deal with this, you're the experts, we don't know what to say or what we're talking about and people seem happy enough to hear it from you - so off you go.

    As time went on the politicians were more distracted trying to put a government together, so it was grand from their perspective to let NPHET hold the fort in front of the media and hopefully by the time the crisis had passed there'd be a new government in place and the crisis would be over and everyone would be mighty pleased with themselves. But it hasn't turned out like that.

    I really don't know what the likes of Donnelly or Martin would bring to an average NPHET briefing. Any time any government Minister is on stage with either Holahan or Glynn it's obvious that they are out of their depth talking with any authority or semblance of understanding - and spend a lot of their time asking the CMO to bail them out when faced with a difficult question.

    I think Glynn has been doing sterling work over the last few weeks talking in front of the media. He's articulate, knowledgeable, patient, empathetic. He tries his damdest to explain the rationale behind everything.

    The main problem as I see it between the briefings is that they make the gulf in competence, knowledge and even basic communication skills between our politicians and the public health experts painfully clear.

    A lot of the issue that people have with their continued presence in the public eye is pretty simple: they aren't telling people what they want to hear.

    As per usual perfect post :)

    Only add that it would be more comforting for people to have government present in body if not in mind ;)

    They are the elected representatives and as such need to step up to put their faces out there so the very knowledgeable public servants can get on with their jobs without having to deal with flak from press and social media . (That reporter from the Indo comes to mind)

    Glynn et al should only be there to deliver the science, let MM do the message bits ,and keep Donnelly outside handing out fliers :)

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  • #7545
    ShineOn7
    Closed Accounts Posts: 4,550 ✭✭✭ShineOn7


    Goldengirl wrote: »
    and keep Donnelly outside handing out fliers :)


    :pac:


    Genuinely laughed out loud to that


  • #7546
    Tyrone212
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,570 ✭✭✭Tyrone212


    Goldengirl wrote: »
    Wasn't he elected when he was in TransitionYear ? Harris , that is ..

    He studied Journalism and French, at the Dublin Institute of Technology, before dropping out of his course to pursue politics full-time.


  • #7547
    jammiedodgers
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,431 ✭✭✭jammiedodgers


    You can be sure if it was good news to give out Donnelly's head would be front and centre


  • #7548
    Tyrone212
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,570 ✭✭✭Tyrone212


    Azatadine wrote: »
    Did he actually say that? I always thought it was a joke?

    He did. Embarrassing.

    https://www.google.com/amp/s/www.irishtimes.com/news/health/simon-harris-sorry-for-awful-boo-boo-about-18-viruses-before-covid-19-1.4235478%3fmode=amp


  • #7549
    normanoffside
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 10,256 ✭✭✭✭normanoffside


    Goldengirl wrote: »
    As per usual perfect post :)

    Only add that it would be more comforting for people to have government present in body if not in mind ;)

    They are the elected representatives and as such need to step up to put their faces out there so the very knowledgeable public servants can get on with their jobs without having to deal with flak from press and social media . (That reporter from the Indo comes to mind)

    Glynn et al should only be there to deliver the science, let MM do the message bits ,and keep Donnelly outside handing out fliers :)

    I agree with most of this but the root of the problem still comes down to October when Tony came back and made a NPHET level 5 powerplay.
    Ronan Glynn and team along with government were doing just fine up until then with most o f the country in level 2 and the rest in 3.
    Government were too scared to stand up to Tony and after a bit of posturing went into a premature level 5 which not only caused pent up December demand and infection spike but also has created the current malaise with continued restrictions as we have been in level 5 for 6 months straight (barring a 2-3 week break).

    Since that point the government have stood back and in Tony's absence, Ronan is getting it in the neck.


  • #7550
    Faugheen
    Site Banned Posts: 12,341 ✭✭✭✭Faugheen


    rob316 wrote: »
    Another clear indication today of who's running the show. NPHET talking about tight restrictions until june and martin is playing catch up. This is farcical at this stage.

    Congratulations, you've fallen into the government's trap.


  • #7551
    FintanMcluskey
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 8,801 ✭✭✭FintanMcluskey


    Arghus wrote: »
    The briefings came into being at a time when nobody had a clue what was going on, everybody was anxious and fearful and the number one concern was to get basic information out to people about what to do, what was happening as regards the progression of the disease.

    It made sense to hear about at the time from people who had expertise, from a body that was set up explicitly to deal with the public health emergency that was taking place.

    There was no coherence or message from government beyond how to get beyond the first initial phase. It was just a case of getting through it. Politics effectively stopped for a period - the opposition disappeared, the issue of FG being effectively a caretaker government didn't matter anymore for a while. Nobody wanted to hear from politicians and politicians were happy enough not be heard.

    The government had no problem letting NPHET become the figureheads because, at the time, they had no difference of ideas from NPHET and taking about the public health crisis in depth and detail was way beyond their capabilities.

    Effectively it was a case of - you've been set up to deal with this, you're the experts, we don't know what to say or what we're talking about and people seem happy enough to hear it from you - so off you go.

    As time went on the politicians were more distracted trying to put a government together, so it was grand from their perspective to let NPHET hold the fort in front of the media and hopefully by the time the crisis had passed there'd be a new government in place and the crisis would be over and everyone would be mighty pleased with themselves. But it hasn't turned out like that.

    I really don't know what the likes of Donnelly or Martin would bring to an average NPHET briefing. Any time any government Minister is on stage with either Holahan or Glynn it's obvious that they are out of their depth talking with any authority or semblance of understanding - and spend a lot of their time asking the CMO to bail them out when faced with a difficult question.

    I think Glynn has been doing sterling work over the last few weeks talking in front of the media. He's articulate, knowledgeable, patient, empathetic. He tries his damdest to explain the rationale behind everything.

    The main problem as I see it between the briefings is that they make the gulf in competence, knowledge and even basic communication skills between our politicians and the public health experts painfully clear.

    A lot of the issue that people have with their continued presence in the public eye is pretty simple: they aren't telling people what they want to hear.

    Argus while I do agree about Glynn, he’s a likeable knowledgeable guy, he needs to be more streetwise though.

    He’s literally fielding questions that should never in a million years be asked of him. He’s setting himself up to fall in the position he’s in.

    At some point, someone, somewhere, needs to say this is on MM and Donnelly, we only advise them.

    Right now, many are blaming NPHET.

    Has any other EU government sub contracted out all its responsibilities to a team of medical professionals?

    It was the smartest move Leo ever made to assemble NPHET and put them fielding questions from the nation


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  • #7552
    Goldengirl
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2, Paid Member Posts: 16,818 ✭✭✭✭Goldengirl


    normanoffside wrote: »
    I agree with most of this but the root of the problem still comes down to October when Tony came back and made a NPHET level 5 powerplay.
    Ronan Glynn and team along with government were doing just fine up until then with most o f the country in level 2 and the rest in 3.
    Government were too scared to stand up to Tony and after a bit of posturing went into a premature level 5 which not only caused pent up December demand and infection spike but also has created the current malaise with continued restrictions as we have been in level 5 for 6 months straight (barring a 2-3 week break).

    Since that point the government have stood back and in Tony's absence, Ronan is getting it in the neck.

    I agree it wasn't well handled either by Holohan or the government , but really that was down to MM and Donnelly's ineptness more so, and the disgraceful undermining of everyone by Varadkar ..what an axxxxle!
    It was the governments reluctance to do anything about rising case numbers at the time that triggered the whole storming in of Holohan .
    I don't agree that we did not need more severe restrictions then , I didn't agree with ye then either if I remember correctly ( she says somewhat controversially ;))
    And yeah , poor Ronan !

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  • #7553
    Coillte_Bhoy
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 7,956 ✭✭✭Coillte_Bhoy


    FintanMcluskey wrote: »
    Argus while I do agree about Glynn, he’s a likeable knowledgeable guy, he needs to be more streetwise though.

    He’s literally fielding questions that should never in a million years be asked of him. He’s setting himself up to fall in the position he’s in.

    At some point, someone, somewhere, needs to say this is on MM and Donnelly, we only advise them.

    Right now, many are blaming NPHET.

    Has any other EU government sub contracted out all its responsibilities to a team of medical professionals?

    It was the smartest move Leo ever made to assemble NPHET and put them fielding questions from the nation

    Ill actually agree with you, Glynn has been put in an impossible position and the line between NPHET and Govt needs to be clearly spelt out.


  • #7554
    lawred2
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 24,837 ✭✭✭✭lawred2


    FintanMcluskey wrote: »
    Argus while I do agree about Glynn, he’s a likeable knowledgeable guy, he needs to be more streetwise though.

    He’s literally fielding questions that should never in a million years be asked of him. He’s setting himself up to fall in the position he’s in.

    At some point, someone, somewhere, needs to say this is on MM and Donnelly, we only advise them.

    Right now, many are blaming NPHET.

    Has any other EU government sub contracted out all its responsibilities to a team of medical professionals?

    It was the smartest move Leo ever made to assemble NPHET and put them fielding questions from the nation

    What exactly is Donnelly doing?

    Sleeveen


  • #7555
    Goldengirl
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2, Paid Member Posts: 16,818 ✭✭✭✭Goldengirl


    Tyrone212 wrote: »
    He studied Journalism and French, at the Dublin Institute of Technology, before dropping out of his course to pursue politics full-time.

    Ahh yes , should have put a wink emoji with that post !

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  • #7556
    Goldengirl
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2, Paid Member Posts: 16,818 ✭✭✭✭Goldengirl


    lawred2 wrote: »
    What exactly is Donnelly doing?

    Sleeveen

    Think he is supervising a colleague who is setting up hotel quarantine?
    Oh,and handing out fliers !

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  • #7557
    Cody montana
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 5,637 ✭✭✭Cody montana


    I give up.


  • #7558
    [Deleted User]
    Posts: 3,733 ✭✭✭ [Deleted User]


    Arghus wrote: »
    The briefings came into being at a time when nobody had a clue what was going on, everybody was anxious and fearful and the number one concern was to get basic information out to people about what to do, what was happening as regards the progression of the disease.

    It made sense to hear about at the time from people who had expertise, from a body that was set up explicitly to deal with the public health emergency that was taking place.

    There was no coherence or message from government beyond how to get beyond the first initial phase. It was just a case of getting through it. Politics effectively stopped for a period - the opposition disappeared, the issue of FG being effectively a caretaker government didn't matter anymore for a while. Nobody wanted to hear from politicians and politicians were happy enough not be heard.

    The government had no problem letting NPHET become the figureheads because, at the time, they had no difference of ideas from NPHET and taking about the public health crisis in depth and detail was way beyond their capabilities.

    Effectively it was a case of - you've been set up to deal with this, you're the experts, we don't know what to say or what we're talking about and people seem happy enough to hear it from you - so off you go.

    As time went on the politicians were more distracted trying to put a government together, so it was grand from their perspective to let NPHET hold the fort in front of the media and hopefully by the time the crisis had passed there'd be a new government in place and the crisis would be over and everyone would be mighty pleased with themselves. But it hasn't turned out like that.

    I really don't know what the likes of Donnelly or Martin would bring to an average NPHET briefing. Any time any government Minister is on stage with either Holahan or Glynn it's obvious that they are out of their depth talking with any authority or semblance of understanding - and spend a lot of their time asking the CMO to bail them out when faced with a difficult question.

    I think Glynn has been doing sterling work over the last few weeks talking in front of the media. He's articulate, knowledgeable, patient, empathetic. He tries his damdest to explain the rationale behind everything.

    The main problem as I see it between the briefings is that they make the gulf in competence, knowledge and even basic communication skills between our politicians and the public health experts painfully clear.

    A lot of the issue that people have with their continued presence in the public eye is pretty simple: they aren't telling people what they want to hear.

    Whenever I want to respond to a post it's when I have my phone instead of laptop.
    So apologies for quoting all your post.

    I agree with everything you say but only partly with your last paragraph Arghus. As humans we will turn towards what comforts us during troubling times. This sometimes means engaging in mental gymnastics.

    A really simple example is telling ourselves that one more drink won't make a difference. I think the feeling towards NPHET is more complicated than that however.

    At first they were our guides. Like you say we were anxious and we were rudderless. A year is a long time when dealing trauma, which is what this is. We have been given hope and had it taken away continuously. I'm not saying that to blame because I genuinely believe the powers that be are at sea.

    They are certainly a handy target for misplaced anger. That was evident today with the abuse Ronan Glynn received. Unconsciously people were not angry at him. He is just a person too. The restrictions impact him as well. I just believe that people are looking for more than "everything will be ok our work here is done".

    Hope is a kind of wooly concept for some but in very stark terms it can be the difference between wanting to live and wanting to die. That's what we need from NPHET and our Government.

    It doesn't have to be a lie. It can be a subtle shift in focus. Less of the tendency to lecture and tone deaf contributors. Perhaps even to make reference to their own personal struggles with Covid.

    Anyone who has children understands the importance of balancing keeping them safe and secure but also allowing them to explore their world and take risks. The restrictions are stifling us, suffocating us, our "parents" are over protective and anxious. We are soaking that up.

    I was speaking to someone recently who is terrified of looking for a new place to live as she thinks it's just a bad idea during Covid.
    Terrified though. So she remains in an environment that isn't healthy and wishes she could be elsewhere but also feels paralysed because "what if I die".


  • #7559
    Wolf359f
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 6,635 ✭✭✭Wolf359f


    FintanMcluskey wrote: »
    Argus while I do agree about Glynn, he’s a likeable knowledgeable guy, he needs to be more streetwise though.

    He’s literally fielding questions that should never in a million years be asked of him. He’s setting himself up to fall in the position he’s in.

    At some point, someone, somewhere, needs to say this is on MM and Donnelly, we only advise them.

    Right now, many are blaming NPHET.

    Has any other EU government sub contracted out all its responsibilities to a team of medical professionals?

    It was the smartest move Leo ever made to assemble NPHET and put them fielding questions from the nation
    Have people not being saying the very same thing since the start on this thread. NPHET advise and Government decide.

    If I was a reporter, I'd CC all questions asked to NPHET to the MOH.
    The media seem to be letting the government away with everything while trying to pin NPHET to answers to questions they can't answer.
    All NPHET can do, and they have done repeatably is emphasize it's our recommendation, it's our advice etc...

    This seems to be why when reporters ask different questions, NPHET actually give the same answer. It's up to a reporter to put it to Donnelly, based on NPHET's advice..... [insert same question you asked NPHET here]


  • #7560
    FintanMcluskey
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 8,801 ✭✭✭FintanMcluskey


    Wolf359f wrote: »
    Have people not being saying the very same thing since the start on this thread. NPHET advise and Government decide.

    If I was a reporter, I'd CC all questions asked to NPHET to the MOH.
    The media seem to be letting the government away with everything while trying to pin NPHET to answers to questions they can't answer.
    All NPHET can do, and they have done repeatably is emphasize it's our recommendation, it's our advice etc...

    This seems to be why when reporters ask different questions, NPHET actually give the same answer. It's up to a reporter to put it to Donnelly, based on NPHET's advice..... [insert same question you asked NPHET here]

    NPHET do have a responsibility themselves not to become the fall guy.

    They can be more streetwise

    I can imagine if a crisis ever arose that the nation needed advice on repairing an old tractor and asked me to address the nation I would be fully confident I could advise the nation from my past experience.

    However just like NPHET are medical experts , this wasn’t just a medical crisis, it was a magnitude of issues to balance and take responsibility for like medical, social and economic.

    It’s almost implied NPHET are responsible for public health, which is not something I’d want to be associated with when there is tens of thousands of undiagnosed cancers awaiting in the near future

    So if I was NPHET, I’d be dropping MM and Donnelly in it rather quickly


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  • #7561
    Faugheen
    Site Banned Posts: 12,341 ✭✭✭✭Faugheen


    FintanMcluskey wrote: »
    NPHET do have a responsibility themselves not to become the fall guy.

    They can be more streetwise

    I can imagine if a crisis ever arose that the nation needed advice on repairing an old tractor and asked me to address the nation I would be fully confident I could advise the nation from my past experience.

    However just like NPHET are medical experts , this wasn’t just a medical crisis, it was a magnitude of issues to balance and take responsibility for like medical, social and economic.

    It’s almost implied NPHET are responsible for public health, which is not something I’d want to be associated with when there is tens of thousands of undiagnosed cancers awaiting in the near future

    So if I was NPHET, I’d be dropping MM and Donnelly in it rather quickly

    And the reason they don’t drop them in it is because it will lead to the exact same rhetoric we constantly hear about a NPHET power grab.


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