COVID-19: Vaccine and testing procedures Megathread Part 3 - Read OP

19-03-2021 01:42PM

ACitizenErased wrote: »

France is now recommending AstraZeneca jab for over-55s only.

WTF?

At this stage it has to be at least partially political. Latest polling shows only 20% of French people would take the AZ vaccine. If this continues then give the supply to other countries (both EU and non EU) that actually want it.

19-03-2021 01:46PM

Call me Al wrote: »

10 million doses of AZ have been manufactured and exported to the UK from the EU in the past 6 weeks.
This going by a C4 news report earlier this week, and I've seen it a few times since.

https://www.google.com/amp/s/www.irishtimes.com/news/world/europe/eu-exported-more-than-8-million-vaccines-to-uk-in-february-1.4506764%3fmode=amp

So comparatively little AZ vaccine has been manufactured within the 2 UK factories for domestic consumption.

https://twitter.com/GermanAmbGhana/status/1372181986836615170?s=20

Isn't that 10m doses of all vaccines have been exported from the EU to the UK in that time period, the majority of which have been Pfizer?

Wolf359f · 19-03-2021 02:07PM

[Deleted User] wrote: »

Isn't that 10m doses of all vaccines have been exported from the EU to the UK in that time period, the majority of which have been Pfizer?

Seems to be too many figures floating about to know for sure. But it's looking likely AZ plants in the UK are producing very very little. I'd find it hard to believe the EU would have allowed AZ export 10mil does from the EU to the UK in the last 6 weeks when they have only delivered about 16mil to the EU in the same period.

JTMan · 19-03-2021 02:19PM

ACitizenErased wrote: »

France is now recommending AstraZeneca jab for over-55s only.

WTF?

The French National Authority for Health said the reason was due to a possible increased risk of blood clots in those under 55 ...

https://twitter.com/BBCFergusWalsh/status/1372891893642706950

namloc1980 · 19-03-2021 02:19PM

JTMan wrote: »

The French National Authority for Health said the reason was due to a possible increased risk of blood clots in those under 55 ...

https://twitter.com/BBCFergusWalsh/status/1372891310257016832?s=03

It's definitely political at this stage. Has to be.

JTMan · 19-03-2021 02:20PM

Sounds like Ireland/EU might get vaccines from the US in mid May

https://twitter.com/gavreilly/status/1372893271580680199

Melanchthon · 19-03-2021 02:28PM

JTMan wrote: »

Sounds like Ireland/EU might get vaccines from the US in mid May

https://twitter.com/gavreilly/status/1372893271580680199

I don't think he will, there is way more political gain for him by giving it too less wealthy countries that might be swung to China. It's also arguably more moral but that's not really part of the equation.

19-03-2021 02:30PM

Can someone elaborate on what it means when they say European countries doing this about AZ is political?

Wolf359f · 19-03-2021 02:33PM

JTMan wrote: »

The French National Authority for Health said the reason was due to a possible increased risk of blood clots in those under 55 ...

https://twitter.com/BBCFergusWalsh/status/1372891893642706950

Is there a higher % of vaccine hesitancy un the under 55 in France?
Give the more hesitant non AZ and the more hesitant the AZ (if the younger generations are more anti-AZ etc...)
Other than that, it just seems mad. What's next, no AZ for females as the majority of issues have been seen in women?

silverharp · 19-03-2021 02:48PM

good news

https://twitter.com/sidhant/status/1372845824980307974

Micky 32 · 19-03-2021 02:49PM

You’d wonder if these vaccines will make any difference at all listening to MM

“” Mr Martin was responding to indications from Deputy Chief Medical Officer Dr Ronan Glynn that restrictions may remain in place for some months, possibly into June.””

“” Mr Martin said the big concern remained Covid-19 variants, which were "more transmissable and more deadly".”

JTMan · 19-03-2021 02:54PM

17 US states have, or will shortly have, 'universal availability' i.e. vaccine available to everyone 16 and over with no age or other criteria. More states expected to offer 'universal availability' soon.

Meanwhile, the US economy is starting to boom. Spending on airplane tickets, hotels, restaurants, gyms, salons and spas are soaring. Wells Fargo economist said ... “You’re looking at the biggest surge in economic growth that most people who are working today have ever experienced in their working lives”. Spending well above pre-pandemic levels.

Wolf359f · 19-03-2021 03:09PM

JTMan wrote: »

17 US states have, or will shortly have, 'universal availability' i.e. vaccine available to everyone 16 and over with no age or other criteria. More states expected to offer 'universal availability' soon.

Meanwhile, the US economy is starting to boom. Spending on airplane tickets, hotels, restaurants, gyms, salons and spas are soaring. Wells Fargo economist said ... “You’re looking at the biggest surge in economic growth that most people who are working today have ever experienced in their working lives”. Spending well above pre-pandemic levels.

You're going to see that kind of spending when most counties finally reopen. It's not going to be limited to just America!

Call me Al · 19-03-2021 03:18PM

[Deleted User] wrote: »

Isn't that 10m doses of all vaccines have been exported from the EU to the UK in that time period, the majority of which have been Pfizer?

https://twitter.com/Channel4News/status/1372296181108375560?s=20

Possibly it is, but this whole report is all about AstraZeneca.

4 million AZ vaccines were also exported to the UK in December, not included in the timeframe they monitored.

How many vaccines have they imported in total I wonder?

They've an impressive 27 or 28 million people with at least a first shot.

Sanjuro · 19-03-2021 03:24PM

Micky 32 wrote: »

You’d wonder if these vaccines will make any difference at all listening to MM

“” Mr Martin was responding to indications from Deputy Chief Medical Officer Dr Ronan Glynn that restrictions may remain in place for some months, possibly into June.””

“” Mr Martin said the big concern remained Covid-19 variants, which were "more transmissable and more deadly".”

Is Micheál Martin capable of independent thought, or is he just a ventriloquist dummy?

mackD · 19-03-2021 03:38PM

Micky 32 wrote: »

My parents got an update on this today. Both are being done together 26th March.

That must be a huge relief!
My 76 year old father still hasn’t even been contacted with any appointment yet and he is climbing the walls at this stage. It’s the not knowing and zero contact from the GP that is the worst. Meanwhile the GP that covers the townland next to him has all his over 70s done already so that news isn’t helping. It’s really tough.

Monster249 · 19-03-2021 03:52PM

Sanjuro wrote: »

Is Micheál Martin capable of independent thought, or is he just a ventriloquist dummy?

He's afraid to make a decision which is a hallmark of the political career of Mehole. Such an incredibly weak and misery-inducing leader.

Chris_5339762 · 19-03-2021 04:10PM

mackD wrote: »

That must be a huge relief!
My 76 year old father still hasn’t even been contacted with any appointment yet and he is climbing the walls at this stage. It’s the not knowing and zero contact from the GP that is the worst. Meanwhile the GP that covers the townland next to him has all his over 70s done already so that news isn’t helping. It’s really tough.

My 73 and 74 year old parents have heard nothing yet. Their GP told them "two weeks" four weeks ago. One was into the doctor there last week and was told several weeks still. My own guess is early-mid April for the first dose, but their GP practice is only getting vaccines every second week according to the secretary. And so, on it drags and me, despite being vaccinated since January, can't go and meet anyone (lockdowns aside) incase I bring it home to them.

I don't know how, but the EU should be really rattling cages at this stage. The US and the UK have absolutely eclipsed the EU on this one.

snotboogie · 19-03-2021 04:25PM

JTMan wrote: »

17 US states have, or will shortly have, 'universal availability' i.e. vaccine available to everyone 16 and over with no age or other criteria. More states expected to offer 'universal availability' soon.

Meanwhile, the US economy is starting to boom. Spending on airplane tickets, hotels, restaurants, gyms, salons and spas are soaring. Wells Fargo economist said ... “You’re looking at the biggest surge in economic growth that most people who are working today have ever experienced in their working lives”. Spending well above pre-pandemic levels.

I noticed NBA teams (who obviously play indoors) are opening up to fans at between 10% and 25% capacity, the UFC are planning a 100% capacity indoor event in April in Florida. Things are definitely starting to open over there

JTMan · 19-03-2021 05:17PM

Outrageous and a disgrace how long it is NPHET / NIAC to re-approve AZ.

Wolf359f · 19-03-2021 05:20PM

JTMan wrote: »

Outrageous and a disgrace how long it is NPHET / NIAC to re-approve AZ.

I think the longer it's taking has to be making people anxious that it may not be blanket approval for everyone (like France etc...).
Absolutely no excuse for such a delay.

namloc1980 · 19-03-2021 05:21PM

JTMan wrote: »

Outrageous and a disgrace how long it is NPHET / NIAC to re-approve AZ.

There'll be a presser at 5.30 apparently. A full working day wasted. Outrageous carry on.

GazzaL · 19-03-2021 05:22PM

We're getting what we deserve for letting the HSE and Department of Health top brass run the country as they see fit for over a year.

rovers_runner · 19-03-2021 05:22PM

JTMan wrote: »

Outrageous and a disgrace how long it is NPHET / NIAC to re-approve AZ.

Useless b*stards waiting till late as possible on a Friday to push it out as far as they can into next week.

Wolf359f · 19-03-2021 05:32PM

rovers_runner wrote: »

Useless b*stards waiting till late as possible on a Friday to push it out as far as they can into next week.

They would want be using the press conference to announce that it's going ahead and everyone's appointment for last Sunday will be for this Sunday instead at the same time. Maybe they want all the media following to get the word out.

I've a feeling it will be a long winded speech saying it's safe yadda yadda yadda and then the HSE will be in touch early need week about rescheduling appointments.

Amirani · 19-03-2021 05:32PM

JTMan wrote: »

Outrageous and a disgrace how long it is NPHET / NIAC to re-approve AZ.

It's not just NIAC...

"Norway, whose expert panel said on Thursday it was “convinced” of a link between the shot and the rare brain blood clots, Sweden, which reported one death from clotting and heavy bleeding, and Denmark said they needed more time before making a decision. Finland said it was suspending the use of the jab while it investigates two possible cases of blood clots."

https://www.theguardian.com/world/2021/mar/19/france-limits-astrazeneca-covid-jab-to-over-55s-despite-ema-green-light

I don't really get this setup with National Regulators all throwing their opinion in. If the EMA is doing the approving in the first place, can we not just follow their advice on safety also?

rovers_runner · 19-03-2021 05:37PM

Wolf359f wrote: »

They would want be using the press conference to announce that it's going ahead and everyone's appointment for last Sunday will be for this Sunday instead at the same time. Maybe they want all the media following to get the word out.

I've a feeling it will be a long winded speech saying it's safe yadda yadda yadda and then the HSE will be in touch early need week about rescheduling appointments.

Phone calls from Monday, jabs Thursday.
It's the HSE way....

astrofool · 19-03-2021 05:41PM

Amirani wrote: »

I don't really get this setup with National Regulators all throwing their opinion in. If the EMA is doing the approving in the first place, can we not just follow their advice on safety also?

This has always been the way, each country's own team do the final approval for usage of a medicine within that country. If we want to approve Sputnik, independent of the EU program, we can do just that on our own steam.

rovers_runner wrote: »

Phone calls from Monday, jabs Thursday.
It's the HSE way....

HSE is managing the vaccine rollout just fine (it's very useless at other things).

Amirani · 19-03-2021 05:56PM

astrofool wrote: »

This has always been the way, each country's own team do the final approval for usage of a medicine within that country. If we want to approve Sputnik, independent of the EU program, we can do just that on our own steam.

Yeah, it just feels like it's undermining the EMA's guidance when regulators go off and do their own thing. France's approach now has implications for what other countries decide to do, politically at least.

If regulators aren't going to accept EMA guidance, should we just remove the EMA step and have everything done by national regulators instead?

JTMan · 19-03-2021 05:58PM

Interesting thread on the route causes of why the UK and US got way ahead of the EU with vaccines ...

https://twitter.com/DaveKeating/status/1372897635577761803?s=19

COVID-19: Vaccine and testing procedures Megathread Part 3 - Read OP

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