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Covid 19 Part XXXIII-231,484 ROI(4,610 deaths)116,197 NI (2,107 deaths)(23/03)Read OP

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  • #7262
    [Deleted User]
    Posts: 9,005 ✭✭✭ [Deleted User]


    ceadaoin. wrote: »
    It would be great if people would just surrender every aspect of their lives to the government, who can mete out basic nutrition for the greater good of society and prohibit any unhealthy activites. No alcohol, cigarettes or obesity would take the strain off the healthcare system.

    You are getting the picture now!


  • #7263
    alexonhisown
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 668 ✭✭✭alexonhisown


    JRant wrote: »
    I can't understand why so many people are still putting themselves forward for testing. If you have flu like symptoms stay home for 10 days. If you need medical care they give you a test anyway.

    And if people stay home from work for 10+ days without contacting gp, what are they going to live on? And if households have kids in school or creche, it would be wreckless to just stay home and say nothing.


  • #7264
    Bubbaclaus
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 4,460 ✭✭✭Bubbaclaus


    The 5km seems to bother others a lot more than it does me. I'd much prefer to see reopenings that allow people to get back their jobs (e.g. construction/outdoor dining), or see families, rather than ones that would just allow me to go for a walk somewhere else.


  • #7265
    FlubberJones
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 911 ✭✭✭FlubberJones


    Bubbaclaus wrote: »
    The 5km seems to bother others a lot more than it does me. I'd much prefer to see reopenings that allow people to get back their jobs (e.g. construction/outdoor dining), or see families, rather than ones that would just allow me to go for a walk somewhere else.

    Bollox to walking somewhere, I just want be able to drive the other side of Dublin


  • #7266
    Monster249
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 268 ✭✭Monster249


    Russman wrote: »
    Whatever about labelling people lockdown supporters or not (spoiler alert, nobody actually likes lockdowns), regarding whether its acceptable, I genuinely think most people realise we're in the middle of a probably one in a hundred year event and extraordinary measures are required, inconvenient though they are. We can't just say "...global pandemic ? Nah, its ok, doesn't suit me this week, I'll give it a miss, thanks...."
    Our government has broadly followed what most western governments have done. Yes there have been mistakes made, of course there have, especially around inbound travel and a few other things, everyone is learnign on the hoof, but we've by and large been on the same track as our peer countries. There have been differences in the details of restrictions just as there are differences in the cultures of countries. Some have curfews, we don't, some have restaurants open, we don't etc etc. but its all within a restrictions approach to a virus. We've been fairly light touch with regard to the actual enforcement of the restrictions.

    I dunno, I mean what's a workable alternative ? Its been asserted many times that you can't effectively shield any cohort of society. That's not to say I think L5 should be indefinite, but I also don't know enough about viruses and epidemiology and modelling to contradict the people who do.

    I should have clarified my initial question. I'm not against lockdowns and actually believe they work when used appropriately. The problem that we have now is that we've used them to death and now face the risk of using them long-passed their useful lifespan.

    More and more people are not adhering and this will only get worse as the weather improves, cases won't get any lower than they are now. The answer to this isn't longer restrictions yet that's exactly what I feel is going to happen.

    My question was more-so aimed at individuals who are supporting a continuous lockdown passed Easter & beyond based on current case numbers. I believe we're at a balance point now where any prolonging of the current restrictions passed Easter are doing more harm than good in the context of the bigger picture. It literally scares me that people don't realize that and are quite happy to go with further lockdowns at this point. It would make you truly fear the zombified attitude towards figures of authority.


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  • #7267
    alexonhisown
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 668 ✭✭✭alexonhisown


    Bubbaclaus wrote: »
    The 5km seems to bother others a lot more than it does me. I'd much prefer to see reopenings that allow people to get back their jobs (e.g. construction/outdoor dining), or see families, rather than ones that would just allow me to go for a walk somewhere else.

    The 5km restriction means I can’t meet family in a park for a walk. I don’t want to meet indoors, just to be able to meet family for a stroll would be nice.


  • #7268
    Monster249
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 268 ✭✭Monster249


    alexonhisown wrote: »
    The 5km restriction means I can’t meet family in a park for a walk. I don’t want to meet indoors, just to be able to meet family for a stroll would be nice.

    Serious question, why are you still adhering to the arbitrary 5k travel radius?


  • #7269
    Rebelbrowser
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 3,384 ✭✭✭Rebelbrowser


    Bubbaclaus wrote: »
    The 5km seems to bother others a lot more than it does me. I'd much prefer to see reopenings that allow people to get back their jobs (e.g. construction/outdoor dining), or see families, rather than ones that would just allow me to go for a walk somewhere else.

    It's the lack of any real science behind that one that annoys people. I think they have to move to allow county wide travel and outdoor meet ups in garden with one other family. Yes some small risks associated but at this stage I would treat that risk as being like the school risk - a necessary evil. I think post Easter not allowing this as a minimum just won't wash / will lead to mental health issues / disobedience / breakdown in compliance/ respect for Covid restrictions generally.

    Only possible variation might be to do it county by county.
    Several counties including my own now at less than 50 cases per 100,000 which is equivalent to less than the 200 cases per day nationally we were told was the goal.

    But it probably does mean best case scenario is holding cases at 500 throughout the summer (though hopefully vaccines will cause a downward effect at some point). Worst case is numbers get over 1000 and sadly that will mean back to present restrictions.


  • #7270
    Hooked
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,955 ✭✭✭Hooked


    Monster249 wrote: »
    Serious question, why are you still adhering to the arbitrary 5k travel radius?

    To be fair... and the 5k is driving me INSANE... some people are either too close to a regular checkpoint or too afraid to confront a Garda with a "valid" reason...

    I know one thing - I'm hitting the road from Easter onward.

    A LOT of graves to be visited, Garda! ;)


  • #7271
    Hooked
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,955 ✭✭✭Hooked


    alexonhisown wrote: »
    The 5km restriction means I can’t meet family in a park for a walk. I don’t want to meet indoors, just to be able to meet family for a stroll would be nice.

    If stopped (presumably on your own) outside your "5k" just say that you are in a support bubble with that family member. Off you trot. Thank me later!

    https://www.gov.ie/en/publication/3516d-support-bubbles/


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  • #7272
    gctest50
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 9,534 ✭✭✭gctest50


    Hooked wrote: »
    ..

    ............Thank me later!

    Like when yer in a hospital bed dying maybe ?



    Being bored of lockdown doesn't give you immunity


  • #7273
    Sweet.Science
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 3,177 ✭✭✭Sweet.Science


    gctest50 wrote: »
    Like when yer in a hospital bed dying maybe ?

    Being bored of lockdown doesn't give you immunity

    Ffs


  • #7274
    Monster249
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 268 ✭✭Monster249


    gctest50 wrote: »
    Like when yer in a hospital bed dying maybe ?



    Being bored of lockdown doesn't give you immunity

    Assuming the poster is not part of the vulnerable cohort, the chances of that happening are minute.


  • #7275
    JP Liz V1
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2, Paid Member Posts: 92,335 ✭✭✭✭JP Liz V1


    From Mirror

    Tullamore in Co Offaly now has the worst rate of Covid-19 in Ireland with a 14-day incidence of just below 500.

    Latest figures show that the 14-day incidence rate for Covid-19 cases per 100,000 of the population is 150.8 - but the Offaly town dwarfs that.

    Leitrim, Kerry and Cork, are among the best counties, with their incidence rates far below the average, at less than 50 per 100,000.

    It comes after Deputy Chief Medical Officer Dr Ronan Glynn insisted on Thursday that the country will continue to take a cautious approach to reopening the country.

    No matter what people tell you, words and ideas can change this World



  • #7276
    iamwhoiam
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 16,295 ✭✭✭✭iamwhoiam


    Bubbaclaus wrote: »
    The 5km seems to bother others a lot more than it does me. I'd much prefer to see reopenings that allow people to get back their jobs (e.g. construction/outdoor dining), or see families, rather than ones that would just allow me to go for a walk somewhere else.

    It bothers me because the 4 parks within 5kms are jam packed .I could walk on a near empty beach in peace if they lift it .


  • #7277
    Hooked
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,955 ✭✭✭Hooked


    gctest50 wrote: »
    Like when yer in a hospital bed dying maybe ?

    Being bored of lockdown doesn't give you immunity

    No... but having had Covid (very mild illness thankfully), being of above average intelligence, and also falling into the 1% (under 45's) chance of actually dying from it... (this weeks data) I'll assess the RISK, and take my chances.

    You realise that 1% of 4,500 deaths is 45 people. In a year.
    And 45 as a % of the population is a 0.0009% death rate

    I suppose I should hide under my bed and wait for
    "the man on the telly" to tell me it's ok to go outside...


    Bored of lockdown?

    How bout bored of hiding from something that has an almost zero % chance of actually killing you!!!

    Jesus Wept!


  • #7278
    Wolf359f
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 6,635 ✭✭✭Wolf359f


    Not sure it's been posted earlier, with all the travel talk and restrictions.... T'is like the travel & restrictions thread.
    But 43 new admissions/new cases in hospitals at 11am, highest figure since 21st Feb.


  • #7279
    Hooked
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,955 ✭✭✭Hooked


    Monster249 wrote: »
    Assuming the poster is not part of the vulnerable cohort, the chances of that happening are minute.

    Exactly - See above reply.


  • #7280
    CIARAN_BOYLE
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 14,595 ✭✭✭✭CIARAN_BOYLE


    Wolf359f wrote: »
    Not sure it's been posted earlier, with all the travel talk and restrictions.... T'is like the travel & restrictions thread.
    But 43 new admissions/new cases in hospitals at 11am, highest figure since 21st Feb.

    Its total new confirmed cases. It was admissions on 21 February. Not really comparableeven though its on the same graph.


  • #7281
    Lucas Hood
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 7,206 ✭✭✭Lucas Hood


    Anyone know of an automated twitter account for case numbers ?

    I know Department of health tweets them but I'm just looking for numbers.


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  • #7282
    [Deleted User]
    Posts: 3,733 ✭✭✭ [Deleted User]


    Arghus wrote: »
    Well, that's news to me. Can you point me to where they say this?

    I'm on phone. Let me see can I attach a screenshot.


  • #7283
    Probes
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 466 ✭✭Probes


    Hooked wrote: »
    No... but having had Covid (very mild illness thankfully), being of above average intelligence, and also falling into the 1% (under 45's) chance of actually dying from it... (this weeks data) I'll assess the RISK, and take my chances.

    You realise that 1% of 4,500 deaths is 45 people. In a year.
    And 45 as a % of the population is a 0.0009% death rate

    I suppose I should hide under my bed and wait for
    "the man on the telly" to tell me it's ok to go outside...


    Bored of lockdown?

    How bout bored of hiding from something that has an almost zero % chance of actually killing you!!!

    Jesus Wept!

    Obviously if everyone acts as you suggest then the risk would increase hugely. I haven't checked your sums but the point is, even with the Christmas mess, Ireland have dealt with this extremely well. Those numbers you are using are not reflective of what the risk would be if we all did what we wanted.


  • #7284
    muddypuppy
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 322 ✭✭muddypuppy


    Lucas Hood wrote: »
    Anyone know of an automated twitter account for case numbers ?

    I know Department of health tweets them but I'm just looking for numbers.

    @COVID19DataIE


  • #7285
    jammiedodgers
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,431 ✭✭✭jammiedodgers


    The optics of still not having approved AstraZeneca to recommence looks terrible imo. Fairly sure the dogs on the street knew it was going to be approved by the EMA, wouldn't you think they could have held a meeting last night?

    I know in the grand scheme of things it won't make much difference but why is everything we do so fucking slow all the time.


  • #7286
    is_that_so
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 32,132 ✭✭✭✭is_that_so


    jammiedodgers wrote: »
    The optics of still not having approved AstraZeneca to recommence looks terrible imo. Fairly sure the dogs on the street knew it was going to be approved by the EMA, wouldn't you think they could have held a meeting last night?

    I know in the grand scheme of things it won't make much difference but why is everything we do so fucking slow all the time.
    We need to get vaccines out and rebook people for tests - not something you can do over lunchtime.


  • #7287
    Lucas Hood
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 7,206 ✭✭✭Lucas Hood


    muddypuppy wrote: »
    @COVID19DataIE

    That's just swabs and vaccines thanks though.


  • #7288
    JRant
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2, Paid Member Posts: 14,461 ✭✭✭✭JRant


    Ger Roe wrote: »
    Unless people get tested, we won't know where the virus is within the community. If everyone just decided to seek medical advice when they absolutely had to .. the virus would be rampant. unmapped and uncontrolled.

    The advice, after a year of all this, is still to get call your doc when you have symptoms and they will decide if you should get tested. Self diagnosing and staying at home on you own initiative deprives wider society of the data that is needed to deal with the still ongoing pandemic.

    You're assuming an appropriate test and trace system is in place when it's clearly not. What difference does it make where someone think they caught it if there are no measures in place to accurately track it back to source. I mean, it looks great on paper but unless it's implemented properly and has a real benefit then what is the point. If we are to believe NPHET it's mostly household transmission anyway.

    Ringing a doctor with a mild temp or cough seems to me a complete waste of resources as well.

    Why does wider society need my medical information anyway, particularly if it's extremely mild? The only trend is severe restrictions followed by lockdowns anyway. I'll go back to an earlier question, what difference does it make?

    "Well, yeah, you know, that's just, like, your opinion, man"



  • #7289
    is_that_so
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 32,132 ✭✭✭✭is_that_so


    Lucas Hood wrote: »
    That's just swabs and vaccines thanks though.

    https://www.hpsc.ie/a-z/respiratory/coronavirus/novelcoronavirus/casesinireland/


  • #7290
    muddypuppy
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 322 ✭✭muddypuppy


    Lucas Hood wrote: »
    That's just swabs and vaccines thanks though.

    Ah right sorry, misread your question. For cases I just follow Richard Chambers, Zara King, Gavan Reilly and the likes, but they don't post only cases.


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  • #7291
    Wolf359f
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 6,635 ✭✭✭Wolf359f


    CIARAN_BOYLE wrote: »
    Its total new confirmed cases. It was admissions on 21 February. Not really comparableeven though its on the same graph.

    I wish they had left it as is. You have to download the data to see it's only 25 admissions, which is actually still a reduction based on 7 day average admission.


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