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Relaxation of Restrictions, Part IX *Read OP For Mod Warnings*

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  • #7862
    Graham
    Moderators, Society & Culture Moderators Posts: 17,643 Mod ✭✭✭✭Graham


    FintanMcluskey wrote: »
    Sure we’ve only lost €17,000,000,000 on tourism alone

    Let's pretend there's no pandemic, that'll fix it.

    :rolleyes:


  • #7863
    gozunda
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 18,996 ✭✭✭✭gozunda


    RobitTV wrote: »
    You still don't have me on ignore? fair enough. Continue to ignore what the moderator suggested.

    I think you may need to retread that btw.

    I believe the comment is indeed civil as was requested. I have no issue if you do not wish to reply btw and or put me on your ignore list.


  • #7864
    RobitTV
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 4,517 ✭✭✭RobitTV


    gozunda wrote: »
    I think you may need to retread that btw.

    I believe the comment is indeed civil as was requested. I have no issue if you do not wish to reply btw.

    I think you may have to place me on the ignore list. I'm asking you in a civil manner. This is what the moderator advised us to do. No need to quote my posts in future when you place me on ignore.

    Thank you.


  • #7865
    [Deleted User]
    Posts: 10,049 ✭✭✭✭ [Deleted User]


    timmyntc wrote: »
    Multinationals based in Ireland for tax purposes, yes they did very well.
    But the bulk of our tax take and jobs do not come from multinationals, they come from construction, non-essential retail, and hospitality. Industries which have been decimated by lockdown and many of which simply will not reopen.


    Instead of GDP economists look at GNI* for Ireland - because GDP includes company assets moved here for tax purposes and a whole lot of other stuff that has no bearing on our economy.

    It was real exports not asset transfers that held up the Irish economy last year


  • #7866
    ypres5
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,168 ✭✭✭ypres5


    Graham wrote: »
    Let's pretend there's no pandemic, that'll fix it.

    :rolleyes:

    i don't know how you got that from what fintan was saying but okay....


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  • #7867
    Graham
    Moderators, Society & Culture Moderators Posts: 17,643 Mod ✭✭✭✭Graham


    Deleted User wrote: »
    :pac::pac::pac::pac:

    Thought better of it, but there ya go :D


  • #7868
    FintanMcluskey
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 8,655 ✭✭✭FintanMcluskey


      Graham wrote: »
      Thought better of it, but there ya go :D

      We all got a sense of humour here Graham

      No need to delete things


    • #7869
      namloc1980
      Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 18,499 ✭✭✭✭namloc1980


      gozunda wrote: »
      So you think it's all a big conspiracy?

      Seriously though only those living under stones don't know that "vaccines aren't 100% protective on an individual level" It's been well explained many times.

      So what's the point of vaccines? We know they aren't 100% protective. Does that mean perpetual lockdown just in case?


    • #7870
      [Deleted User]
      Posts: 10,049 ✭✭✭✭ [Deleted User]


      namloc1980 wrote: »
      So what's the point of vaccines? We know they aren't 100% protective. Does that mean perpetual lockdown just in case?

      No it means increased risk remains for vulnerable while case levels are high


    • #7871
      Monster249
      Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 268 ✭✭Monster249


      Deleted User wrote: »
      No it means increased risk remains for vulnerable while case levels are high

      We can't remain in lockdown to protect vulnerable people who are vaccinated? that takes the biscuit for the most ridiculous thing I've heard all week.


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    • #7872
      [Deleted User]
      Posts: 9,005 ✭✭✭ [Deleted User]


      namloc1980 wrote: »
      So what's the point of vaccines? We know they aren't 100% protective. Does that mean perpetual lockdown just in case?

      Just to clarify: Herd immunity!Herd immunity!Herd immunity!Herd immunity!Herd immunity!Herd immunity!Herd immunity!Herd immunity!Herd immunity!Herd immunity!Herd immunity!Herd immunity!Herd immunity!Herd immunity!Herd immunity!Herd immunity!Herd immunity!Herd immunity!Herd immunity!Herd immunity!

      I hope I am being clear as possible here. No idea where perptual lockdown is coming from but it's a common refrain today.


    • #7873
      [Deleted User]
      Posts: 10,049 ✭✭✭✭ [Deleted User]


      Monster249 wrote: »
      We can't remain in lockdown to protect vulnerable people who are vaccinated? that takes the biscuit for the most ridiculous thing I've heard all week.

      WHILE CASES ARE VERY HIGH

      And its primarily to protect the health system.

      The selective reading is phenomenal


    • #7874
      RobitTV
      Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 4,517 ✭✭✭RobitTV


      What happens next?

      https://twitter.com/Woolberto/status/1372877264581505026


    • #7875
      namloc1980
      Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 18,499 ✭✭✭✭namloc1980


      [Deleted User] wrote: »
      Just to clarify: Herd immunity!Herd immunity!Herd immunity!Herd immunity!Herd immunity!Herd immunity!Herd immunity!Herd immunity!Herd immunity!Herd immunity!Herd immunity!Herd immunity!Herd immunity!Herd immunity!Herd immunity!Herd immunity!Herd immunity!Herd immunity!Herd immunity!Herd immunity!

      I hope I am being clear as possible here. No idea where perptual lockdown is coming from but it's a common refrain today.

      Hang on. The mantra was the need to get the vulnerable vaccinated to protect them. Now that's not good enough any more so now we need to get everyone vaccinated/herd immunity. Can't wait to see where the goalposts move to next.


    • #7876
      dalyboy
      Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,491 ✭✭✭dalyboy


      Deleted User wrote: »
      Just to clarify: Herd immunity!Herd immunity!Herd immunity!Herd immunity!Herd immunity!Herd immunity!Herd immunity!Herd immunity!Herd immunity!Herd immunity!Herd immunity!Herd immunity!Herd immunity!Herd immunity!Herd immunity!Herd immunity!Herd immunity!Herd immunity!Herd immunity!Herd immunity!

      I hope I am being clear as possible here. No idea where perptual lockdown is coming from but it's a common refrain today.

      That’s a shift of the goal posts right there.
      If the vulnerable are vaccinated then the risk of deaths is minuscule and it’d outrageous to continue any lockdown once this cohort is jabbed.


    • #7877
      [Deleted User]
      Posts: 10,049 ✭✭✭✭ [Deleted User]


      RobitTV wrote: »
      What happens next?

      https://twitter.com/Woolberto/status/1372877264581505026

      Reading and listening comprehension is really at a remedial level


    • #7878
      thebaz
      Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 13,883 ✭✭✭✭thebaz


      Deleted User wrote: »
      No it means increased risk remains for vulnerable while case levels are high

      If people want to actually start living ther is an inherent risk to life , unless you permaently stay at home - What about the damage been done to a whole generation of our young - our future - No sport / very little socialising / serious disruption of school / fears and anxiety and mental health issues such as OCD / the rise in drug usage. Those people have rights to proper life, and I'm not young myself , but I care for that generation - I have lived.
      Level 5 lockdown for 6 months is too much for society if we want to start living again.


    • #7879
      RobitTV
      Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 4,517 ✭✭✭RobitTV


      Deleted User wrote: »
      Reading and listening comprehension is really at a remedial level

      "If every individual can do just that little bit more over the next few weeks we will stop another wave"

      Still don't know what happens next when the public simply ignore these demands.


    • #7880
      [Deleted User]
      Posts: 10,049 ✭✭✭✭ [Deleted User]


      namloc1980 wrote: »
      Hang on. The mantra was the need to get the vulnerable vaccinated to protect them. Now that's not good enough any more so now we need to get everyone vaccinated/herd immunity. Can't wait to see where the goalposts move to next.

      Have the UK lifted restrictions?


    • #7881
      TonyMaloney
      Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,150 ✭✭✭TonyMaloney


      namloc1980 wrote: »
      So what's the point of vaccines? We know they aren't 100% protective. Does that mean perpetual lockdown just in case?

      Glynn was being asked about people over 70 who have received the vaccine, and would certain things be open to this cohort.
      His reply was that they had to be conservative (particularly with this cohort), because vaccines don't work 100% of the time.

      So in answer to your question, no that does not mean perpetual lockdown.


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    • #7882
      Boggles
      Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 42,566 ✭✭✭✭Boggles


      thebaz wrote: »
      If people want to actually start living ther is an inherent risk to life , unless you permaently stay at home - What about the damage been done to a whole generation of our young - our future - No sport / very little socialising / serious disruption of school / fears and anxiety and mental health issues such as OCD / the rise in drug usage. Those people have rights to proper life, and I'm not young myself , but I care for that generation - I have lived.
      Level 5 lockdown for 6 months is too much for society if we want to start living again.

      Staying at home permanently?

      Another Level 6er?

      I'm not aware of anyone been asked to do that.


    • #7883
      Monster249
      Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 268 ✭✭Monster249


      Deleted User wrote: »
      WHILE CASES ARE VERY HIGH

      And its primarily to protect the health system.

      The selective reading is phenomenal

      The cases aren't very high though. And even if they were, there has to be a point of acceptance here when we have to let things play out. we can't stay in lockdown forever because cases aren't getting any lower than they are now and that's a fact.

      People are sick and tired of restrictions and the stagnating markers of disease incidence prove that.


    • #7884
      namloc1980
      Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 18,499 ✭✭✭✭namloc1980


      TonyMaloney wrote: »
      Glynn was being asked about people over 70 who have received the vaccine, and would certain things be open to this cohort.
      His reply was that they had to be conservative (particularly with this cohort), because vaccines don't work 100% of the time.

      So in answer to your question, no that does not mean perpetual lockdown.

      Vaccines don't work 100% of the time. So what's next?


    • #7885
      gozunda
      Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 18,996 ✭✭✭✭gozunda


      timmyntc wrote: »
      Multinationals based in Ireland for tax purposes, yes they did very well.But the bulk of our tax take and jobs do not come from multinationals, they come from construction, non-essential retail, and hospitality. Industries which have been decimated by lockdown and many of which simply will not reopen.Instead of GDP economists look at GNI* for Ireland - because GDP includes company assets moved here for tax purposes and a whole lot of other stuff that has no bearing on our economy.

      Multinationals based here and involved in the services and manufacturing sectors. Multinationals who provide jobs across a huge range of sectors.

      The point being that yes whilst sectors such as tourism have been affected - just as similar sectors have been in other countries - there is still some good news with regard to our economy.

      Not that you'd know it from all the doom and gloom comments viz. that its the end of the things as we know it. That Ireland is the worst in the world. That there is no progress being made yada yada yada ...


    • #7886
      thebaz
      Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 13,883 ✭✭✭✭thebaz


      Boggles wrote: »
      Staying at home permanently?

      Another Level 6er?

      I'm not aware of anyone been asked to do that.

      Im stating that living a full life, involves a little risk, not sure what you are on about with your level 6.


    • #7887
      gozunda
      Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 18,996 ✭✭✭✭gozunda


      namloc1980 wrote: »
      So what's the point of vaccines? We know they aren't 100% protective. Does that mean perpetual lockdown just in case?

      Nope. I really don't think I need to go into how vaccines work. Its been explained plenty.


    • #7888
      Boggles
      Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 42,566 ✭✭✭✭Boggles


      thebaz wrote: »
      Im stating that living a full life, involves a little risk, not sure what you are on about with your level 6.

      Right now it involves more risk, highly transmissible dangerous disease, etc. You are potential host, now I imagine you are thinking well I am X age and Y fitness so my chances.......Doesn't matter, it's not about you, it's about the collective.

      But again, no one should have to stay at home permanently nor are they being asked to.

      Your life "in full" whatever that entails, will resume in due course.

      You mentioned kids and mental health.

      The majority went back to school this week, hopefully in the next 2 weeks or so sports can resume for them.

      Not everything is doom and gloom.


    • #7889
      LameBeaver
      Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 102 ✭✭LameBeaver


      ypres5 wrote: »
      so criticizing the government makes one a right wing loon? how's the weather in pyongyang?

      I wouldn`t know chief. How is it in your La La land?


    • #7890
      RobitTV
      Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 4,517 ✭✭✭RobitTV


      Many of the Independent TD's seem to be speaking much differently compared to the mainstream parties

      Lockdowns should be applied at a local level – TD Verona Murphy

      The government should look at lifting restrictions in local electoral areas free of Covid-19, according to Independent TD Verona Murphy.

      The Wexford TD said that a plan is needed beyond the current Level 5 restrictions that are in place.

      Irish Independent


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    • #7891
      namloc1980
      Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 18,499 ✭✭✭✭namloc1980


      Deleted User wrote: »
      Just to clarify: Herd immunity!Herd immunity!Herd immunity!Herd immunity!Herd immunity!Herd immunity!Herd immunity!Herd immunity!Herd immunity!Herd immunity!Herd immunity!Herd immunity!Herd immunity!Herd immunity!Herd immunity!Herd immunity!Herd immunity!Herd immunity!Herd immunity!Herd immunity!

      I hope I am being clear as possible here. No idea where perptual lockdown is coming from but it's a common refrain today.

      There wasn't a single mention of herd immunity in this thread up until a couple of weeks ago, not once. Prior to that it was all about getting the vulnerable vaccinated to protect them from serious illness and death. Now that we have a sizable proportion of that cohort done, suddenly the narrative has shifted to herd immunity and continued restrictions being needed regardless of whether the vulnerable are vaccinated or not.


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