Relaxation of Restrictions, Part IX *Read OP For Mod Warnings*

RobitTV

The public aren't listening. They've had enough.

https://twitter.com/Independent_ie/status/1372793925803470855

TonyMaloney

DTownD wrote: »

Most people in Ireland would prefer to be in Portugal...

Portugal, who had the worst cases in Europe, after Ireland in January.

Now they're reopening.... How can they do it and we can't?

They reopened haridressers and bookshops this week...

Easter - public monumentsand museums reopened.

Mid-April - Universities, theatres and concert halls will then reopen

Beginining of May - followed by restaurants and sports facilities.


They had worse numbers than us in February - the worst in the world.
How come they can make this plan but we can't?

Hard to fathom the amount of people willing to accept this situation.

They had a significantly more severe lockdown and their incidence level is now about half that of ours.

If you're calling for us to follow Portugal's lead that means curfews, parks and beaches shut - a genuine stay at home lockdown.

I'm not sure some here have it in them to do that at this stage

facehugger99

gozunda wrote: »

I think you forgot something there again.

We're in the middle of a global epidemic

Unfortunately we were seriously indebted long before the Pandemic began.

I'd say the majority of people in countries like Brazil would prefer to be here atm. And no that's not a comparison btw.

https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-latin-america-56424611

Maybe that's a reason we shouldn't be adding to it FFS!

Debt at the end of 2019 was €175Bn

Debt at the end of Feb 2020 was €225Bn

You can shrug your shoulders at a 30% increase in national debt in a year but anyone with a modicum of intelligence will be deeply concerned.


We're now approaching April and still have construction and non-essential retail closed - it's fcuking criminal what's being done to this country by a bunch of highly paid politicians and bureaucrats who are throwing around our money like confetti to avoid making a decision.

Lux23

Level 5 lockdown isn't a proper lockdown, we should have gone back to what we did last Spring, and we would be coming out of this now. Instead, we got this half-baked approach with IBEC getting exemptions for half the country!

darem93

RobitTV wrote: »

Just do a "little bit more" guys - we need to keep going for some sort of a goalpost that is never in sight and that is never reached.

https://twitter.com/rtenews/status/1372619290730500099

How in the name of God can we possibly do any more?

We're confined to the house bar going for the same walk day in, day out, or the weekly trip to Tesco.

How many times have we heard these soundbites from them? Enough is enough with placing the entire responsibility on the public without any reward to show for it.

I see sheep

June?? What a joke.
I believe there were 0 "with covid" deaths yesterday, ZERO
What is going on back in Ireland?

FintanMcluskey

Thelonious Monk wrote: »

Is it because they followed the rules there? It never looked like a proper lockdown to me this time around in Ireland.

No it’s because the vulnerable were protected adequately

You can have all the community mitigation measures in the world but it won’t actually help those most vulnerable if the transmission rates in hospitals and healthcare settings is very high.

TBH reading stuff like “is it because they followed the rules” is a very unsettling thing to read from an adult.

Have we sub contracted out our thought process and risk analysis to NPHET entirely?

paddyisreal

gozunda wrote: »

I think you forgot something there again.

We're in the middle of a global epidemic

Unfortunately we were seriously indebted long before the Pandemic began.

I'd say the majority of people in countries like Brazil would prefer to be here atm. And no that's not a comparison btw.

https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-latin-america-56424611

Really, clutching at straws even mentioning second world country with a first world country with a good standard of living and a small population. Usually pro lockdown rubbish, look how bad the other crowd have it. Would love to see a comparison of Ireland with a country of similar population, wealth, demographics and would highlight even more how inept our government are. Why don't we some more comparisons to Denmark, Finland, Norway instead of Italy, Brazil etc?

Pitch n Putt

DTownD wrote: »

Most people in Ireland would prefer to be in Portugal...

Portugal, who had the worst cases in Europe, after Ireland in January.

Now they're reopening.... How can they do it and we can't?

They reopened haridressers and bookshops this week...

Easter - public monuments and museums reopened.

Mid-April - Universities, theatres and concert halls will then reopen

Beginining of May - followed by restaurants and sports facilities.


They had worse numbers than us in February - the worst in the world.
How come they can make this plan but we can't?

Hard to fathom the amount of people willing to accept this situation.

Yeah the acceptance is unbelievable but what’s unfathomable is the disdain shown to people who have the nerve to question the approach that’s being taken.

People have lost their logic reasoning with all the negativity and fear mongering that’s gone on here.
Shocking really how so many can be led by such an unconvincing bunch of incompetent fools

thebaz

RobitTV wrote: »

Just do a "little bit more" guys - we need to keep going for some sort of a goalpost that is never in sight and that is never reached.

meanwhile we still await the official resumption of AZ vaccination , even though we have known for days it has been deemed safe - no urgency, more bureaucracy - valuable days have been lost and public confidence.

Graham

DTownD wrote: »

Now they're reopening.... How can they do it and we can't?

because we have a small but significant cohort oh halfwhits who have decided restrictions don't apply to them which means our case numbers aren't dropping.

Unless restrictions are enforced I expect that to continue and restrictions will remain in place until a significant proportion of the population are vaccinated.

You can thank these people for almost guaranteeing restrictions remain in place longer than they otherwise would.

No doubt these same people will blame NPHET for being unreasonable by not just allowing the virus to run wild removing/relaxing restrictions now.

facehugger99

RobitTV wrote: »

Just do a "little bit more" guys - we need to keep going for some sort of a goalpost that is never in sight and that is never reached.

Looks like the next couple of weeks are crucial.

Deusexmachina

whippet wrote: »

I was chatting to my brother who is based in sweden and he was telling me how lockdown does not work etc .... I had to explain to him that we haven't been locked down in a long time.

The government announced a lock down but by and large it hasn't been enforced or stuck to by large portions of the population.

Lockdowns only work if people actually adhere to the rules. So we haven't locked down and that is why we are at the level we are - and if we continue to have a-la-carte adherence to the guidelines we will be here for ever.

The factor of lack of real enforcement, covid fatigue and general 'i'm alright jack' mentality will mean that a government strategy of lockdown will not succeed.

So what are the alternatives?

- stay in pseudo-lockdown until we get a majority of the population vaccinated - which will take the guts of 18 months due to the inefficiences of the EU / HSE / Irish Government ? This will cost more lives, livelihoods and mental torture on the majority of the population.

- open up and sacrifice the unfortunate who will die from the virus and those who will suffer long term effects - while we wait for the vaccines to eventually be rolled out

- Actually stick to the guidelines of lockdown and support the authorities in enforcing those who don't adhere to them ... get as close to zero as possible and then look at opening up sooner than if we decide that pseudo-lockdown is acceptable.

I don't accept your analysis of the options. How about:

- Maintain lockdown for all vulnerable groups - obese, immunosuppressed, over 70 etc.
- Focus all of the States resources to get these people vaccinated ASAP (if the HSE cant do it, get proper logistics professionals to do it
- Open up to save jobs, economy, sanity

RobitTV

Dr Ronan Glynn says that advice will be issued in the coming fortnight for people who have received their Covid vaccine:

'It will be conservative as vaccines aren't 100% protective on an individual level'

Oh
my
fuc****
god
:P

They are playing with us now.

OwenM

facehugger99 wrote: »

Maybe that's a reason we shouldn't be adding to it FFS!

Debt at the end of 2019 was €175Bn

Debt at the end of Feb 2020 was €225Bn

You can shrug your shoulders at a 30% increase in national debt in a year but anyone with a modicum of intelligence will be deeply concerned.


We're now approaching April and still have construction and non-essential retail closed - it's fcuking criminal what's being done to this country by a bunch of highly paid politicians and bureaucrats who are throwing around our money like confetti to avoid making a decision.

And the Anglo bailout was only €13 billion. Only

statesaver

And it's going to take number of days to resume AZ vaccinations. How ? Why ?

Jesus, the incompetence is breath taking.

Graham

whippet wrote: »

Lockdowns only work if people actually adhere to the rules. So we haven't locked down and that is why we are at the level we are - and if we continue to have a-la-carte adherence to the guidelines we will be here for ever.

Exactly as we're discovering now.

ypres5

thebaz wrote: »

meanwhile we still await the official resumption of AZ vaccination , even though we have known for days it has been deemed safe - no urgency, more bureaucracy - valuable days have been lost and public confidence.

spot on it's almost like the vaccine wasnt the issue more than the people in charge of distributing it

FintanMcluskey

FintanMcluskey wrote: »

Ireland is the laughing stock of the EU. Spoke to a colleague in Flanders recently, he said they can meet in groups of ten and can’t figure out why construction would be closed!

Other nations look at us in total horror at the decisions made to cause unnecessary levels of economic carnage, social and mental health problems.

Who in gods name would want to have be living this life for 6 months if it wasn’t necessary?

Other nations are envious of Ireland me bolix

The insecurity is phenomenal - no once is laughing at Ireland.

France have a 6pm curfew since January

whippet

darem93 wrote: »

How in the name of God can we possibly do any more?

We're confined to the house bar going for the same walk day in, day out, or the weekly trip to Tesco.

thats the problem - we are not confined to the house at all. I live on the coast in a rural setting and most days its packed - groups of all ages having days out - i've never seen the place as busy.

Local coffee shops doing massive trade - all take away but plenty of people meeting up outside in groups

I know of plenty of people who have converted shed / garages in to home-pubs and I know that most of them would have people over most weekends for a few drinks.

We have not been in lockdown - you can look over at the like of Portugal and Italy and ask how did they do it ? Well - they had police walking the streets, stopping everyone for proof that what they were doing was essential etc .... over here .. as per usual we spend more energy and effort figuring out ways to get around the restrictions or find loop holes than actually sticking by them for the greater good.

Graham

Deleted User wrote: »

The insecurity is phenomenal - no once is laughing at Ireland.

France have a 6pm curfew since January

and Paris is about to start significant new restrictions on the cusp of a new wave.

ypres5

Graham wrote: »

because we have a small but significant cohort oh halfwhits who have decided restrictions don't apply to them which means our case numbers aren't dropping.

Unless restrictions are enforced I expect that to continue and restrictions will remain in place until a significant proportion of the population are vaccinated.

You can thank these people for almost guaranteeing restrictions remain in place longer than they otherwise would.

No doubt these same people will blame NPHET for being unreasonable by not just allowing the virus to run wild removing/relaxing restrictions now.

i haven't seen construction of strawmen this fine since the filming of the wicker man

thebaz

RobitTV wrote: »

Dr Ronan Glynn says that advice will be issued in the coming fortnight for people who have received their Covid vaccine:

'It will be conservative as vaccines aren't 100% protective on an individual level'

Oh
my
fuc****
god
:P

They are playing with us now.

all risk in life has been removed in the State - we really have forgotten to actually live after months and months of lockdown. I really think they want everyone lying in bed for the summer with the windows closed, you may not get Covid, but you will go mad , as seams to have happened now.

cjyid

Ivy Steep Telecommunications wrote: »

Covid-19: Cabinet split on easing 5km limit as concerns mount

https://www.irishtimes.com/news/politics/covid-19-cabinet-split-on-easing-5km-limit-as-concerns-mount-1.4514206?utm_source=dlvr.it&utm_medium=twitter

we are really ****ed at this point

Haha, they really are something else if they think that 5KM is still being adhered too.

batman_oh

whippet wrote: »

thats the problem - we are not confined to the house at all. I live on the coast in a rural setting and most days its packed - groups of all ages having days out - i've never seen the place as busy.

Local coffee shops doing massive trade - all take away but plenty of people meeting up outside in groups

I know of plenty of people who have converted shed / garages in to home-pubs and I know that most of them would have people over most weekends for a few drinks.

We have not been in lockdown - you can look over at the like of Portugal and Italy and ask how did they do it ? Well - they had police walking the streets, stopping everyone for proof that what they were doing was essential etc .... over here .. as per usual we spend more energy and effort figuring out ways to get around the restrictions or find loop holes than actually sticking by them for the greater good.

Italy have had bars/restaurants/shops open for the last few months (before going into their current short lockdown). They had a strict lockdown for a very short time last year and have had less restrictions than us since.
The reason a lot of people are doing the things you say now is because we have had the longest restrictions on basic things that people do in the whole of Europe - by miles. Most people adhered to the first set of restrictions very well.

Hooked

RobitTV wrote: »

The public aren't listening. They've had enough.

https://twitter.com/Independent_ie/status/1372793925803470855

Uplifting reading those replies... intelligence is starting to win out...

FintanMcluskey

Graham wrote: »

and Paris is about to start significant new restrictions on the cusp of a new wave.

Always felt Paris was very similar to the likes of Borris-in-Ossory

So do NPHET obviously as that Laois village has been living under stricter mitigation than Paris for about 6 months now

thebaz

Graham wrote: »

and Paris is about to start significant new restrictions on the cusp of a new wave.

It is less severe than what we have to endure for the past 3 months.
For instance you can actually get a haircut.

batman_oh

thebaz wrote: »

It is less severe than what we have to endure for the past 3 months.
For instance you can actually get a haircut.

It's best we stay in Level 5 so we don't end up in Level 4 like Paris!

niallo27

whippet wrote: »

I was chatting to my brother who is based in sweden and he was telling me how lockdown does not work etc .... I had to explain to him that we haven't been locked down in a long time.

The government announced a lock down but by and large it hasn't been enforced or stuck to by large portions of the population.

Lockdowns only work if people actually adhere to the rules. So we haven't locked down and that is why we are at the level we are - and if we continue to have a-la-carte adherence to the guidelines we will be here for ever.

The factor of lack of real enforcement, covid fatigue and general 'i'm alright jack' mentality will mean that a government strategy of lockdown will not succeed.

So what are the alternatives?

- stay in pseudo-lockdown until we get a majority of the population vaccinated - which will take the guts of 18 months due to the inefficiences of the EU / HSE / Irish Government ? This will cost more lives, livelihoods and mental torture on the majority of the population.

- open up and sacrifice the unfortunate who will die from the virus and those who will suffer long term effects - while we wait for the vaccines to eventually be rolled out

- Actually stick to the guidelines of lockdown and support the authorities in enforcing those who don't adhere to them ... get as close to zero as possible and then look at opening up sooner than if we decide that pseudo-lockdown is acceptable.

Number 2 it is. The numbers that will die from it now should be greatly reduced.