Relaxation of Restrictions, Part IX *Read OP For Mod Warnings*

statesaver

statesaver wrote: »

And it's going to take number of days to resume AZ vaccinations. How ? Why ?

Jesus, the incompetence is breath taking.

Should they just stand on street comers with needles? You do know it takes time to setup as schedule.
F**k sake, some just enjoy being permanently outraged

FintanMcluskey

FintanMcluskey wrote: »

Always felt Paris was very similar to the likes of Borris-in-Ossory

So do NPHET obviously as that Laois village has been living under stricter mitigation than Paris for about 6 months now

Do they need a permit to leave the house after 6pm?

whippet

batman_oh wrote: »

Italy have had bars open for the last few months. They had a strict lockdown for a very short time last year and have had less restrictions than us since.
The reason a lot of people are doing the things you say now is because we have had the longest restrictions on basic things that people do in the whole of Europe - by miles

and if we don't adhere to the restrictions - they are pointless and we end up in a state of total inertia.

So its a chicken and egg thing - either rigid enforced lockdown - or open up and deal with the consequences.

I agree our government hasn't got to grips with this at all - and is now afraid to make any decision based on the balls up before christmas.

But Christmas is a great example of how we don't follow guidelines. I went out for a meal with the wife at christmas - everything was fine - we had a table, could order from the table, no standing at the bar, left after just over an hour. However - there were groups and groups of people - all at different tables but obviously on a night out - converging in the smoking area with pints while the food went cold and uneaten.

So yet again - as a society we are incapable of following guidelines and in the absence of enforcement its a total waste of time.

My brother has shared videos of bars / restaurants in sweden with me and as he said - nothing has changed. People go in to bars / restaurants in small groups as normal - eat drink and chat - like we were asked to do but didn't

I see sheep

I see sheep wrote: »

June?? What a joke.
I believe there were 0 "with covid" deaths yesterday, ZERO
What is going on back in Ireland?

Passive subservience. In France millions take to the streets, the Government listens. Here, pliable Paddy takes his soup and those few who dare step out of line with the orthodoxy are condemned as "scumbags". Like east Germany in the 1980s people are now spying on each other, there is something almost perverse in attacking fellow citizens instead of unelected tokens like NPHET. The sadistic relish of some with the oppression of the wider public is most revealing, these sewer dwellers are having their day in the sun however the proverbial mallet will land on their heads with an almighty clatter yet.

RobitTV

RobitTV wrote: »

Dr Ronan Glynn says that advice will be issued in the coming fortnight for people who have received their Covid vaccine:

'It will be conservative as vaccines aren't 100% protective on an individual level'

Oh
my
fuc****
god
:P

They are playing with us now.

You do know how vaccines work, that by providing herd immunity, that the vulnerable in society are protected.

This is vaccine 101. Nothing to do with "playing"

RobitTV

I don't blame the people who went to the Canary Islands over these past few weeks and months.

• In Lanzarote you can go out for a meal or a have a pint at a bar or restaurant until 11pm
• Live music is able to take place inside the bars since they are at Level 2
• You can get a haircut
• You can do some shopping
• You can go the gym
• You can travel freely around the islands

whippet

niallo27 wrote: »

Number 2 it is. The numbers that will die from it now should be greatly reduced.

great so that is the option you want.


So - now you need to find enough politicians in the dail who are willing to stand up and say that they want to sacrifice a portion of the population for the sake of opening up.

They won't be able to say who will be sacrificed or how many people will suffer the long term effects .. but they just want to play Russian roulette for the sake of not having the rest of the population adhere to the guidelines and sacrifice a couple of months in strict (I mean strict) lockdown.

I don't think you'll find a whole lot of support in the Dail

ArthurDayne

Thelonious Monk wrote: »

It has all gotten so weird, I was discussing the governments mishandling of these restrictions and how ridiculous it all is with a friend yesterday and he started saying I should be out marching with Gemma etc and the rest of the right wing loons. Some people think you're a nutjob if you even question the government on this.
It doesn't really affect me that much but it is destroying so many people.

To be fair, I was getting comments like that from friends and family when I argued this time last year that warnings about the danger of the virus to younger healthy people were ludicrously over-exaggerated. “I think I will listen to the public health experts and not you” etc etc when I was literally showing them the hard data from Italy and elsewhere — like it wasn’t even opinion, it was pure hard fact demonstrable in numbers. Yet it was castigated as being the realm of the eccentric.

It was all rendered very black and white from the start — a kind of good versus evil dichotomy. Even now I would be nervous talking about my views in work. When you make something a binary issue of good / bad, that can be very effective in quickly drumming up support and buy-in for a policy — but as time goes on it greatly diminishes the scope for diversity of thought in finding workable and sustainable compromises.

Graham

ypres5 wrote: »

i haven't seen construction of strawmen this fine since the filming of the wicker man

I haven't seen you addressing an actual point in quite some time.

batman_oh

whippet wrote: »

and if we don't adhere to the restrictions - they are pointless and we end up in a state of total inertia.

So its a chicken and egg thing - either rigid enforced lockdown - or open up and deal with the consequences.

I agree our government hasn't got to grips with this at all - and is now afraid to make any decision based on the balls up before christmas.

But Christmas is a great example of how we don't follow guidelines. I went out for a meal with the wife at christmas - everything was fine - we had a table, could order from the table, no standing at the bar, left after just over an hour. However - there were groups and groups of people - all at different tables but obviously on a night out - converging in the smoking area with pints while the food went cold and uneaten.

So yet again - as a society we are incapable of following guidelines and in the absence of enforcement its a total waste of time.

My brother has shared videos of bars / restaurants in sweden with me and as he said - nothing has changed. People go in to bars / restaurants in small groups as normal - eat drink and chat - like we were asked to do but didn't

And there were videos going around of people in Rome all on top of each other outside restaurants and bars a few weeks back.
The Nordics/Scandanavians are generally more reserved in social settings than us - it's not all because we are law breaking/incapable of doing things. The way the government here have dragged this out has caused people that would otherwise follow the rules to start taking a few chances now. Even last summer when we had almost no cases and the lowest rates in Europe we were more restricted than everywhere else.

RobitTV

Deleted User wrote: »

You do know how vaccines work, that by providing herd immunity, that the vulnerable in society are protected.

This is vaccine 101. Nothing to do with "playing"

I'm well aware of how they work. I would like the government to get on with the rollout instead of listening to pointless soundbites. If that wouldn't be too hard for them to do. I'm not requesting a miracle from them.

Graham

thebaz wrote: »

It is less severe than what we have to endure for the past 3 months.
For instance you can actually get a haircut.

That appears to be working out very well as they head into a new wave and much tighter restrictions :rolleyes:

facehugger99

thebaz wrote: »

It is less severe than what we have to endure for the past 3 months.
For instance you can actually get a haircut.

The French would not put up with Irish restrictions.

We are a cowardly embarrassment.

Willing to trade away our freedoms so the man on the telly will tell us we're safe.


We are like children.

gozunda

DTownD wrote: »

Most people in Ireland would prefer to be in Portugal...
Portugal, who had the worst cases in Europe, after Ireland in January. Now they're reopening.... How can they do it and we can't?
They reopened haridressers and bookshops this week...Easter - public monuments and museums reopened. Mid-April - Universities, theatres and concert halls will then reopen. Beginining of May - followed by restaurants and sports facilities.They had worse numbers than us in February - the worst in the world.
How come they can make this plan but we can't?
Hard to fathom the amount of people willing to accept this situation.

"Most people"? Or is that your own projection? They're opening up because a huge part of their GDP is based on tourism - approx 35 billion Euros compared to approx 17 here. They're damned if they do and damned if they don't?

What they have done is put provisional dates on reopening with significant caveats- the same as the UK.

We can open up in a safe way but it has to be a prudent, gradual opening, bit by bit ... we don't want to increase the risk," Prime Minister Antonio Costa told a news conference. "We have to be cautious."

....

The measures to ease the lockdown will be re-evaluated every 15 days, Costa said.

https://www.channelnewsasia.com/news/world/two-months-covid-19-lockdown-portugal-gradually-lift-rules-14388580

I hope it works out the way it is on paper...

Multipass

Deleted User wrote: »

Do they need a permit to leave the house after 6pm?

Wouldn’t make any difference if we had that, it’s not like there’s anywhere to go

Chiorino

I was wondering has any thought been given to the fact that given the much more transmissable UK variant is dominant now, compared to last year, is it actually physically possible to get the case numbers much below where they are now?

All the decisions should be made on the basis of hospital/ICU case numbers & deaths from here on. If these are dropping day by day, what does it matter if 5/6/700 people who are having close to zero impact on the healthcare system test positive.

whippet

batman_oh wrote: »

And there were videos going around of people in Rome all on top of each other outside restaurants and bars a few weeks back.
The Nordics/Scandanavians are generally more reserved in social settings than us - it's not all because we are law breaking/incapable of doing things. I've been in a bar in Finland that was like a morgue. The way the government here have dragged this out has caused people that would otherwise follow the rules to start taking a few chances now. Even last summer when we had almost no cases and the lowest rates in Europe we were more restricted than everywhere else.

http://www.italia.it/en/useful-info/covid-19-updates-information-for-tourists.html

Italy has curfews in place - have a read

As for the Scandinavians they are naturally insular and as such restrictions like we have are not needed there. a Pub in ireland is a diffrent animal to a pub in sweden - and the risks are different

FintanMcluskey

gozunda wrote: »

"Most people"? Or is that your own projection? They're opening up because a huge part of their GDP is based on tourism - approx 35 billion Euros compared to approx 17 here. They're damned if they do and damned if they don't?

What they have done is put provisional dates on reopening with significant caveats- the same as the UK.



https://www.channelnewsasia.com/news/world/two-months-covid-19-lockdown-portugal-gradually-lift-rules-14388580

I hope it works out the way it is on paper...

We have become so desensitised to what a billion €‘S actually represents

Sure we’ve only lost €17,000,000,000 on tourism alone

It’s pittance Paddy, sure we saved all those lives didn’t we

We will all realise what those figures mean rather quickly when the austerity arrives

Graham

facehugger99 wrote: »

We are a cowardly embarrassment.

Speak for yourself.

Most of us are just getting on with it and doing what's necessary to keep people safe and see the economy reopen as quickly as possible.

Unfortunately our efforts are being stymied by the few.

thebaz

Graham wrote: »

That appears to be working out very well as they head into a new wave and much tighter restrictions :rolleyes:

Sorry, but it is the tighter restrictions they are about to face , that are still less severe than what we have had to endure for months - as I said, you can still get a haircut :rolleyes:

https://www.bbc.com/news/world-europe-56450880

paddyisreal

And so it begins, Claire Byrne on rté now to a clergyman from the North basically pleading that it's irresponsible to allow mass goers go north. He basically told her to bog off.

ypres5

Graham wrote: »

I haven't seen you addressing an actual point in quite some time.

I haven't seen you make a point worth addressing ever.

Deusexmachina

batman_oh wrote: »

And there were videos going around of people in Rome all on top of each other outside restaurants and bars a few weeks back.
The Nordics/Scandanavians are generally more reserved in social settings than us - it's not all because we are law breaking/incapable of doing things. The way the government here have dragged this out has caused people that would otherwise follow the rules to start taking a few chances now. Even last summer when we had almost no cases and the lowest rates in Europe we were more restricted than everywhere else.

I was in Rome in September with my wife. It was bloody great. Had a fantastic time - with reasonable precautions and sensible restrictions.

My son went to Galway with his girlfriend at the same time. He got Covid.

RobitTV

Shame more people wouldn't tell the government to bog off. It's only been 12 months of goalpost moving and praying for the best.

'Wait and see and pray for the best' is the eternal Irish attitude and approach in life.

Graham

ypres5 wrote: »

I haven't seen you make a point worth addressing ever.

QED

Deusexmachina

Graham wrote: »

Speak for yourself.

Most of us are just getting on with it and doing what's necessary to keep people safe and see the economy reopen as quickly as possible.

Unfortunately our efforts are being stymied by the few.

By the few, I assume you mean NPHET.

Windmill100000

FintanMcluskey wrote: »

We will all realise what those figures mean rather quickly when the austerity arrives

So you keep saying. We all know there will be a payback as there will be in most countries.

whippet

Deusexmachina wrote: »

I was in Rome in September with my wife. It was bloody great. Had a fantastic time - with reasonable precautions and sensible restrictions.

My son went to Galway with his girlfriend at the same time. He got Covid.

I was in Galway in august and it was like there was no pandemic

FintanMcluskey

FintanMcluskey wrote: »

We have become so desensitised to what a billion €‘S actually represents

Sure we’ve only lost €17,000,000,000 on tourism alone

It’s pittance Paddy, sure we saved all those lives didn’t we

We will all realise what those figures mean rather quickly when the austerity arrives

It'll be a bitter pill to swallow but it's for the greater good.

Hector Savage

Graham wrote: »

Speak for yourself.

Most of us are just getting on with it and doing what's necessary to keep people safe and see the economy reopen as quickly as possible.

Unfortunately our efforts are being stymied by the few.

"Keeping people safe"

You really believe this is going on as long as it is because people are breaking restrictions ?