Relaxation of Restrictions, Part IX Read OP For Mod Warnings

Hellrazer · 19-03-2021 08:55AM

FintanMcluskey wrote: »

Ahem cough

Apologies. You've agreed with me all along. It's early and the gas thing is I had to get a Covid test yesterday. Just waiting on the results!!!

Graham · 19-03-2021 09:01AM

Hellrazer wrote: »

Finally someone else agrees that per capita is the only real measurement.

Per capita for Spain in deaths over 65 is 0.710% of over 65s.

Per capita for Ireland is 0.588% - only 0.122% of a difference.

As a total population its 0.15% - For Ireland its 0.093% - only 0.06% there.

In under 65s Spains death rate is 0.014% -Irelands is 0.008% so only 0.006 of a percent there.

Like for like we are almost Identical to Spains death rate per capita

Interesting figures.

According to your numbers Ireland has (roughly):

14% less deaths per capita in over 65s
30% lower deaths in under 65s
40% lower death rate overall

If Spain had been closer to our figures they'd have approximately 29,000 fewer deaths.

As 'identical' goes, it's not very.

DellyBelly · 19-03-2021 09:08AM

Ivy Steep Telecommunications wrote: »

Covid-19: Cabinet split on easing 5km limit as concerns mount

https://www.irishtimes.com/news/politics/covid-19-cabinet-split-on-easing-5km-limit-as-concerns-mount-1.4514206?utm_source=dlvr.it&utm_medium=twitter

we are really ****ed at this point

Oh Christ I hope that's not case. I've been praying they might up it to even 10km so I can visit the beach. I can't take another few weeks of the 5km restriction especially that the weather is getting better...

jusvi2001 · 19-03-2021 09:20AM

This extreme and ridiculous over cautious approach by our spine less political masters wont get us any where. They are blindly following the so called experts advise without weighing the pros and cons of this harsh lock down entering 4th month. Many EU countries restarted AstraZeneca vaccine post EMA verdict and Ireland is still discussing it between their elite experts. no wonder in terms of vaccination we are still behind countries like Romania, Estonia, Malta, Serbia.

https://www.euronews.com/2021/03/17/covid-19-vaccinations-in-europe-which-countries-are-leading-the-way

MrMischief · 19-03-2021 09:23AM

Usual leaks to the press ahead of the next announcement so when they do lift the 5km 'restriction' it will look like we are making progress. The mood in the country has definitely shifted over the last couple of weeks and you can't blame or judge people at this stage for getting out there whilst being common sensical.

Get busy dying or get busy living.

FintanMcluskey · 19-03-2021 09:28AM

Jeasus the national radio stations are on overdrive talking about lockdown in France.

Trying to justify the EUs longest most costly mitigation on the basis that 6 months after Ireland entered level 5 last October (with a brief reprieve in December), France are entering what sounds like Ireland’s level 4.

Have no doubt about it, France will have relaxed those measures in a few week's and there will be radio silence about that in Ireland

the kelt · 19-03-2021 09:28AM

Ivy Steep Telecommunications wrote: »

Covid-19: Cabinet split on easing 5km limit as concerns mount

https://www.irishtimes.com/news/politics/covid-19-cabinet-split-on-easing-5km-limit-as-concerns-mount-1.4514206?utm_source=dlvr.it&utm_medium=twitter

we are really ****ed at this point

The fact that they are split on easing a restriction that in the grand scheme of things makes eff all difference and is pretty much redundant in terms of compliance shows 2 things.

1. They truly dont have a clue in regards to whats going on in the actual country outside of planet NPHET and planet Dail Eireann

2. They truly dont have a clue what theyre doing.

3. And yes we are f@~>ed at this stage!

Gael23 · 19-03-2021 09:34AM

5km remains according to some media reports

19-03-2021 09:34AM

Hellrazer wrote: »

Finally someone else agrees that per capita is the only real measurement.

Per capita for Spain in deaths over 65 is 0.710% of over 65s.

Per capita for Ireland is 0.588% - only 0.122% of a difference.

As a total population its 0.15% - For Ireland its 0.093% - only 0.06% there.

In under 65s Spains death rate is 0.014% -Irelands is 0.008% so only 0.006 of a percent there.

Like for like we are almost Identical to Spains death rate per capita

The devil is in the details. Epidemiologically, a difference of 0.71% is pretty significant and would cause significantly different interpretations.

19-03-2021 09:36AM

Gael23 wrote: »

5km remains according to some media reports

It was always going to remain this way fortunately/unfortunately.

is_that_so · 19-03-2021 09:37AM

Gael23 wrote: »

5km remains according to some media reports

Undecided is what it is but that whole public buy-in is a huge deal. Expect a lot more people to do their own thing if it remains. A few offered goodies might just do the trick for another month.

gozunda · 19-03-2021 09:39AM

JRant wrote: »

What do you say?
What any responsible adult would, that you can only take responsibility for your own actions and to be as careful as they can (within reason). Talk of blaming others or calling them selfish isn't going to make that child feel any better about the situation, in fact it will only make it worse for them in the long run.

What do you say? That those who don't believe covid is an issue in the face of a known global pandemic may indeed be described as selfish especially where they believe that they know better than the experts. And I think that's the point - "grown adults" do need to act responsibly. And not blame others. That the child is aware of the dangers being faced by a vulnerable parent is simply reality and everything to do with the fact that some don't care of the dangers of their actions to others.

JTMan · 19-03-2021 09:41AM

No relaxation of Restrictions until end of June :-
https://www.irishtimes.com/news/irel...phet-1.4513955

All Ronan said was international travel will not be allowed until 30 June (despite the UK, US, Portugal and others opening up in late May) and work from home must continue until 30 June.

Fully expected work from home advise to continue for some time. 30 June for international travel seems reasonable to me but will create a mess in June with most other countries reopened for international travel.

What I don't like is the:
(1) Lack of a roadmap - Businesses need to plan. Stop using the "we work off data" excuse. Even if that is the case, let's see the data targets for reopening.
(2) The constant pushing back of dates.
(3) The humming about construction. I think construction should be let reopen on 5 April.
(4) The lack of focus on the side-effects this is having on mental health. Giving a date for gyms reopening is a low hanging fruit to help the mental health crisis.
(5) The fact that Ireland is one of the slowest in Europe at reopening yet again.

facehugger99 · 19-03-2021 09:41AM

DellyBelly wrote: »

Oh Christ I hope that's not case. I've been praying they might up it to even 10km so I can visit the beach. I can't take another few weeks of the 5km restriction especially that the weather is getting better...

Are you enjoying your low-level troll of the thread?

Posting the same nonsense every couple of weeks to get a reaction.

Sad

DellyBelly wrote: »

Was hoping things would be moving quicker but I'll be thrilled if the 5km restriction is moved to 10km because then I will be entitled to visit the beach which is about 8km from me. I haven't been there since December and I really miss my walk there...so I'll be delighted if it goes to 10km

DellyBelly wrote: »

I really hope they raise it to 10km. I am 8km from a beach and really want to get there for a walk. I am missing it big time. This 5km is so cruel...

DellyBelly wrote: »

I really hope so. I'm about 8km from the beach and haven't been able to get there since the new lockdown came in. I really miss it..

DellyBelly · 19-03-2021 09:43AM

Deusexmachina wrote: »

Honestly, just go to the beach.

I know there are police checks on the route I'd take. I fear I'd get a fine or a criminal record.. Its really not worth the risk in my eyes.

emo72 · 19-03-2021 09:47AM

If they don't get construction going I think we will lose those workers to countries with construction open. Then that will tie in to not being able to get houses built, leading to another cluster**** of homelessness. And that's on top of the homeless cluster**** we currently have.

Construction has to open.

Gael23 · 19-03-2021 09:48AM

is_that_so wrote: »

Undecided is what it is but that whole public buy-in is a huge deal. Expect a lot more people to do their own thing if it remains. A few offered goodies might just do the trick for another month.

Goodies like what?

RGS · 19-03-2021 09:55AM

It the government is split on lifting the 5km limit then there really is no chance any easing of restrictions will be announced on 5 april.

MM interview to the Mirror can now be taken as the correct timeline when he stated mid may, even though he tried to walk it back.

The cabinet are really spineless.

Must be great to sit on close to €200K salary and just rubber stamp NPHETS recommendation.

Boggles · 19-03-2021 10:00AM

Klonker wrote:

Another EU country lifting restrictions at the moment while we'll be in level 5 until May/June if we continue to behave.

https://sofiaglobe.com/2021/02/14/bu...en-on-march-1/

Smaller schools in Bulgaria are going back, larger schools have blended learning. Shopping centres, gyms and cinemas open since 1st Feb and restaurants opening 1st Mar. Bulgaria currently have similar rate of cases as here and higher hospital, ICU and positivity rates

Boggles wrote:

They do, but there is an important caveat, there incidence rate is on a upward trajectory.

They went into lockdown including closing all schools in November.

As for the PM's assertion that they are 26th in Europe for mortality, that's just plain false

Hopefully they are not been foolish but I can't see them having good outcomes in 6 weeks time.

Right on cue back in Lockdown Monday.

Bulgaria imposes 10-day lockdown to tackle rising COVID-19 cases

Earlier in the day, Bulgaria reported 4,201 new coronavirus cases, with 7,804 people in hospitals, including 609 in intensive care

gozunda · 19-03-2021 10:01AM

Hellrazer wrote: »

Finally someone else agrees that per capita is the only real measurement....

A very useful measurement for certain but apparently irrelevant to the discussion of observed differences between Spain and Ireland with regard to the duration of spikes in new cases which began in the third quarter of last year

That observation is apparently unaffected by graphs corrected for population size.

namloc1980 · 19-03-2021 10:04AM

Looks like the more lockdown kites are flying in earnest. My mother in law who has stuck diligently to the restrictions for the last year has finally given up. When they are losing people like her, it's all over.

_Kaiser_ · 19-03-2021 10:06AM

So it's June now then. I can't say I'm surprised to be honest.

Come June it'll be a "cautious" reopening with restrictions lowered to level 3 (which for most people means very little difference really, especially outside the cities) until we get to maybe late July/early August.

Then the talk will shift again to the reopening of schools and what happened last year - back to level 5 so to prevent that!

I think we can guess what the message will be as we progress into autumn..

Make no mistake here folks.. As long as this country is being run by a group of ass-covering HSE execs and a weak cowardly TD who only wanted his chance in the big chair but had no goals beyond that, this is what is ahead of us.

Despite 12 months of ACTUAL data in this country that shows that only a tiny minority are at any real risk from CV-19, and despite a vaccine roll-out that has immunised most of these (even if it's been botched), we can look forward to being in a worse position than we were last year.

screamer · 19-03-2021 10:07AM

emo72 wrote: »

If they don't get construction going I think we will lose those workers to countries with construction open. Then that will tie in to not being able to get houses built, leading to another cluster**** of homelessness. And that's on top of the homeless cluster**** we currently have.

Construction has to open.

We already have. They’ve gone in droves. I know of a company that has secured a large contract on mainland Europe and they are inundated with people enquiring about work, even quarantine both sides is not a barrier they just want out of Ireland and to get back to work.

Gael23 · 19-03-2021 10:10AM

Well I’m going to visit my vaccinated grandparents today fpr the first time since Christmas

_Kaiser_ · 19-03-2021 10:11AM

Gael23 wrote: »

Goodies like what?

In this context I'd imagine things like being legally allowed to travel more than a few km, or maybe have a friend or relative allowed to visit you in your home or garden.

It's a very sad situation where basic liberties and freedoms are now considered as goodies.

Everyone, however they feel about the restrictions and response, should let that sink in for a minute.

screamer · 19-03-2021 10:13AM

_Kaiser_ wrote: »

So it's June now then. I can't say I'm surprised to be honest.

Come June it'll be a "cautious" reopening with restrictions lowered to level 3 (which for most people means very little difference really, especially outside the cities) until we get to maybe late July/early August.

Then the talk will shift again to the reopening of schools and what happened last year - back to level 5 so to prevent that!

I think we can guess what the message will be as we progress into autumn..
.

And then the old people who’ve already been vaccinated will need a booster to stop them catching it over the winter, as the vaccine will not provide immunity for long enough. We’ll be stuck in this holding pattern for the next year or more at the rate of progress ( if you can call it that) that’s being made. I dunno what’s going to happen at all, we’re fed up, stressed out and broke as a country and there is no end in sight.

Don't Chute! · 19-03-2021 10:15AM

Boggles wrote: »

Right on cue back in Lockdown Monday.

Said with barely contained glee of course. And by the way, a ten day lockdown? I’d give both my testicles for a ****ing ten day lockdown at this stage.

Captain_Crash · 19-03-2021 10:17AM

DellyBelly wrote: »

I know there are police checks on the route I'd take. I fear I'd get a fine or a criminal record.. Its really not worth the risk in my eyes.

Download Waze and use that anytime you drive! It’s become fairly accurate in the past year with more and more people using it

The HorsesMouth · 19-03-2021 10:20AM

Everyone is forgetting here that across the border they will have stadiums and pubs full of people in June. It won't take long catching on here. Things are going to change v quick.

Flange/Flanders · 19-03-2021 10:20AM

CruelSummer wrote: »

respected journalist Ewan McKenna

You left out a very important term..........

"sports" journalist.

A profession where people criticise those who have an infinite amount more level of skill, expertise, experience, data and knowledge than those doing the criticising. McKenna hasnt been showing off gross misinterpretation of the data over the last year in order to skew the narrative to suit himself.

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