Relaxation of Restrictions, Part IX *Read OP For Mod Warnings*

VonLuck

JRant wrote: »

The biggest source of misinformation is actually the government these days. Multiple mixed messages from an assortment of ministers. MM and Leo saying one thing to the public and then giving the party faithful a different message.

That would fall under miscommunication.

FintanMcluskey

VonLuck wrote: »

That would fall under miscommunication.

Ah, so depending on what side of the fence your on it’s either miscommunication or misinformation.

I assume your not on the misinformation side!

ypres5

FintanMcluskey wrote: »

Ah, so depending on what side of the fence your on it’s either miscommunication or misinformation.

I assume your not on the misinformation side!

it's a sad day when people posting on the internet are held to higher scrutiny than the government

normanoffside

FintanMcluskey wrote: »

Jesus, the amount of medics playing Inspector Clouseau is getting out of hand.



If journalism was still alive in Ireland, somebody would ask why is our vulnerable death rate so high when compared to other countries, in spite of Ireland having longer and more suppressive community mitigation measures

One journalist did follow up on this and the Doctor said that none of the 3 examples she highlighted lead to any deaths or hospitalisations.

So again the stories NPHET are highlighting are not the real issue.

ArthurDayne

Boggles wrote: »

Unfortunately Arthur, people don't always gauge their decisions on scientific evidence.

BigTimmy57 can be more persuasive. 50, no underline conditions, blood cloth, vaccine, dead. Vaccine killed him. x 100m on social media.

So unless we make them mandatory, the best way to combat BigTimmy57 is to be open - transparent - and careful. Among other things of course.

There is no evidence, none to suggest that countries medical agencies raised the signals because of self preservation, or to avoid litigation or reputational damage in the future.

Zero, none, Zilch.

In fact the reality is this is absolute huge pain in the hole for at EU politicians who are been hammered because of slow role out.

So no it makes no sense that they would try and exacerbate the situation by slowing the role out more and further tarnishing the reputation of the vaccine which will have dire consequences going forward.

It's not even remotely plausible.

Well hold on a second here..no evidence?! Let’s remind ourselves of the fact that the vaccine was suspended contrary to well-established scientific evidence. It is well established that the Astra Zeneca vaccine is safe and the decision to suspend its rollout has been criticised very widely across the global scientific community. If you are saying that the decision to suspend it was purely based on a sincere appreciation of evidence, then do you not think it is rather odd that the evidence points overwhelmingly in favour of not suspending the vaccine, particularly in light of the critical importance of its rollout? You are trying to dress up what I am saying as being implausible....you are saying there is no evidence....when it is just as easy for me to say that your view seems quite strange given the fact that the scientific evidence in favour of suspending the vaccine is not strong.

It is perfectly reasonable to question the nature of the motivations for authorities taking a certain action when what should be the primary motivation for that decision (i.e. evidence) appears to be rather shaky. But hey, let’s dig up the views of other “conspiracy theorists”:

“I think it has gotten very political ... Countries started to fear that if causality is determined at some point and they were the country that continued to vaccinate, that would be problematic for themselves” - Jeffrey Lazarus, Barcelona Institute for Global Health.

“We got to the point of a suspension because several European countries, including Germany and France, preferred to interrupt vaccinations... to put them on hold in order to carry out checks. The choice is a political one,” - Nicola Magrini, Director General of Italy’s medicine regulator AIFA

fin12

Any good news re the April 5th? I haven’t listened to the news in a while

titan18

fin12 wrote: »

Any good news re the April 5th? I haven’t listened to the news in a while

No

Itssoeasy

Did I hear the deputy CMO say they want people to work from home for the next three to four months ? Do they understand how that’s going to effect people because they won’t be opening up other places if they are encouraging people to work from home.

VonLuck

FintanMcluskey wrote: »

Ah, so depending on what side of the fence your on it’s either miscommunication or misinformation.

I assume your not on the misinformation side!

So you believe it was a deliberate intent by the government to put out conflicting information? To what end?

WWEfansince90s

‘Good news’? In this country? What are you nuts?

fin12

WWEfansince90s wrote: »

‘Good news’? In this country? What are you nuts?

Yes I know, calm down, it’s just they usually leak stuff all the time. I’m more just thinking about the 5k don’t worry wasn’t expecting anything else.

themacattack.

fin12 wrote: »

Any good news re the April 5th? I haven’t listened to the news in a while

really cant see a whole lot happening...we will be lucky to get construction fully open...they have lost a substantial portion of the population now and i think if there isnt any sliver of hope given in april the 5th then its time for people to take matters into their own hands if they havent already...go get your haircut on the black market,go see your family members that you havent seen in months,have a few friends over on a sunny afternoon and drink a few craft beers,get in the car and go for a drive to a nice scenic area more than 5k for a walk or run,book a nice city break somewhere in europe get your teeth whitened...

noserider

themacattack. wrote: »

really cant see a whole lot happening...we will be lucky to get construction fully open...they have lost a substantial portion of the population now and i think if there isnt any sliver of hope given in april the 5th then its time for people to take matters into their own hands if they havent already...go get your haircut on the black market,go see your family members that you havent seen in months,have a few friends over on a sunny afternoon and drink a few craft beers,get in the car and go for a drive to a nice scenic area more than 5k for a walk or run,book a nice city break somewhere in europe get your teeth whitened...

100% agree with your advice.
Here’s what NPHET advise, which we can choose to ignore. Restrictions tills June https://www.irishtimes.com/news/ireland/irish-news/covid-19-advice-on-working-from-home-travel-to-remain-until-june-nphet-1.4513955?mode=amp

Aph2016

themacattack. wrote: »

really cant see a whole lot happening...we will be lucky to get construction fully open...they have lost a substantial portion of the population now and i think if there isnt any sliver of hope given in april the 5th then its time for people to take matters into their own hands if they havent already...go get your haircut on the black market,go see your family members that you havent seen in months,have a few friends over on a sunny afternoon and drink a few craft beers,get in the car and go for a drive to a nice scenic area more than 5k for a walk or run,book a nice city break somewhere in europe get your teeth whitened...

Yep, I know a lot of people that have been doing all of them things except for the teeth whitening part. It's very easy to find a barber, 5km limit means nothing when there's very little Gardai on the road. Visiting family, no problem. Get out and enjoy your life as best you can at the moment and leave the doom mongers to be miserable.

d161

d161 wrote: »

All of that is happening already.
My wife's hairdresser called to offer a hair dye. She came to our house and did so.
My wife drove 50km to visit her parents.
My buddy had a load of pints here with me on Tuesday night.
My daughter and 3 of her friends had a get together last night in their house.
My younger kids met their friends every day.
No restrictions here what so ever.
You need to make the stick bigger!

And while I'm in such a confessional mood.
My guilty pleasures.
I use the same mask for months on end and I purposely never sanitise my hands entering shops.

dockysher

Wow ur so kol

AlekSmart

Deleted User wrote: »

A review in 5 days is very very fast. I don't know where you are getting the opinion that this slow. Medication safety isn't something you write/ figure out on the back of a pack of cigarettes.

A 5 DAY review is incredible.

But,with recent developments in the Vaccination field,such speed may yet become ever more necessary.

Given what we currently know about the CV-19 strain,and more specifically it's lack of impact upon Children,I must confess to being ill at ease with latest developments in the USA.

https://www.nytimes.com/2021/03/16/health/moderna-vaccine-children.html

The drug company Moderna has begun a study that will test its Covid vaccine in children under 12, including babies as young as six months, the company said on Tuesday.

This decision,quite likely a part of a far larger programme of such "testing" Worldwide,may well bring the VAX vs Anti-VAX back to a more central position on the COVID stage.

Some of the phraseology is quite revealing I think....

The study is expected to enroll 6,750 healthy children in the United States and Canada. Moderna declined to say how many had already signed up or received the first shots, according to a spokeswoman, Colleen Hussey.

“There’s a huge demand to find out about vaccinating kids and what it does,” said Dr. David Wohl, the medical director of the vaccine clinic at the University of North Carolina, who is not involved the study.

Sounds laudable for sure,particularly if you're working on that post-grad doctorate etc ?

I am confident that voices such as the Dr Wohl mentioned in the article,will one by one become silent as this wagon rolls ever onward.

The children will be followed for a year, to look for side effects and measure antibody levels that will help researchers determine whether the vaccine appears to provide protection. The antibody levels will be the main indicator, but the researchers will also look for coronavirus infections, with or without symptoms.

Dr. Wohl said the study appeared well designed and likely to be efficient, but he questioned why the children were to be followed for only one year, when adults in Moderna’s study are followed for two years. He also said he was somewhat surprised to see the vaccine being tested in children so young this soon.

“Should we learn first what happens in the older kids before we go to the really young kids?” Dr. Wohl asked. Most young children do not become very ill from Covid, he said, though some develop a severe inflammatory syndrome that can be life threatening.

It's highly likely this cutting edge research may well wash up on our shores at the doors of our Maternity and Childrens hospitals.

I suppose it's the acid test of just how much trust you are prepared to place in the hands of NPHET & Co,that you will sign your toddler up for a vaccine,to see how it goes ?

Turns out we ARE all in this together.....:(

Stheno

Itssoeasy wrote: »

Did I hear the deputy CMO say they want people to work from home for the next three to four months ? Do they understand how that’s going to effect people because they won’t be opening up other places if they are encouraging people to work from home.

Wfh is recommended even in level 1 with the revised guidelines

Apoapsis Rex

themacattack. wrote: »

really cant see a whole lot happening...we will be lucky to get construction fully open...they have lost a substantial portion of the population now and i think if there isnt any sliver of hope given in april the 5th then its time for people to take matters into their own hands if they havent already...go get your haircut on the black market,go see your family members that you havent seen in months,have a few friends over on a sunny afternoon and drink a few craft beers,get in the car and go for a drive to a nice scenic area more than 5k for a walk or run,book a nice city break somewhere in europe get your teeth whitened...

Construction is not opening in April.

noserider

Apoapsis Rex wrote: »

Construction is not opening in April.

Construction is open everywhere my friend

d161

Rarely watch rte and now listening to Adrian Hill saying to Luke O'Neill that doctors tend to look too closely at a cluster.
You couldn't make it up.

FintanMcluskey

noserider wrote: »

Construction is open everywhere my friend

Will you tell that to the 60,000 construction workers on the PUP

Neagra

noserider wrote: »

Construction is open everywhere my friend

i know one builder in particular who never stopped once
even the first lockdown he was tipping away
same fella does not a fig about anything and would only laugh at anyone guards included who went near him.
i will admit also that last year during the first lockdown i had all new tiles and batons put on my roof. and it was not essential and i got it done for a great deal.
very happy with myself over that

d161

FintanMcluskey wrote: »

Will you tell that to the 60,000 construction workers on the PUP

They're getting paid twice.
We'll all and our kids pay for it.

gozunda

FintanMcluskey wrote: »

This still makes me smile, and although I agree with it I believe every citizen should be offered the opportunity, vaccinated or not.

The vulnerable are vaccinated, society has made sacrifices socially and economically that the vulnerable themselves never had to do to protect their elders, and they will get back to normal likely more than a year before every citizen is offered a vaccine.

I wonder what the 60,000 construction workers laid off long term and many of which are looking for work abroad think reading stuff like that?

What are you on about? The vaccination of those most medically vulnerable is still ongoing. With those with long term conditions yet to receive their vaccinations and a large number yet to receive their second dose vaccine.

As for this piece of verbage
"society has made sacrifices socially and economically that the vulnerable themselves never had to do to protect their elders

That doesn't even make any sense - more importantly"society" includes everyone including older people, those with underlying conditions and yes everyone else.

Older people who worked their entire lives not only to look after their parents but also to raise their children and provide for the next generation . But nooo - they're all a bunch of selfish old so and so's?

Jesus Chris - I don't know whether to laugh or cry and the stupidity of that comment.

But what is even more gobsmacking is advocating that we all throw caution to the wind - something not even the UK who are miles of ahead in their vaccination schedule are doing.

Afaik construction is one of those sectors which has been listed for reopening in April. Suggesting we let things rip is not going to aid that or any other sector for sure.

d161

gozunda wrote: »

What are you on about? The vaccination of those most medically vulnerable is still ongoing. With those with long term conditions yet to receive their vaccinations and a large number yet to receive their second dose vaccine.

As for this piece of verbage
"society has made sacrifices socially and economically that the vulnerable themselves never had to do to protect their elders

That doesn't even make any sense - more importantly"society" includes everyone including older people, those with underlying conditions and yes everyone else.

Older people who worked their entire lives not only to look after their parents but also to raise their children and provide for the next generation . But nooo - they're all a bunch of selfish old so and so's?

Jesus Chris - I don't know whether to laugh or cry and the stupidity of that comment.

But what is even more gobsmacking is advocating that we all throw caution to the wind - something not even the UK who are miles of ahead in their vaccination schedule are doing.

Afaik construction is one of those sectors which has been listed for reopening in April. Suggesting we let things rip is not going to aid that or any other sector for sure.

What is gobsmacking is your selfish attitude.
Fcuk the kids to protect the old and vulnerable.

d161

d161 wrote: »

What is gobsmacking is your selfish attitude.
Fcuk the kids to protect the old and vulnerable.

My attitude.
The kids are the future. I'll take my chances.
My 80 year old mother, the same.

d161

gozunda wrote: »

What are you on about? The vaccination of those most medically vulnerable is still ongoing. With those with long term conditions yet to receive their vaccinations and a large number yet to receive their second dose vaccine.

As for this piece of verbage
"society has made sacrifices socially and economically that the vulnerable themselves never had to do to protect their elders

That doesn't even make any sense - more importantly"society" includes everyone including older people, those with underlying conditions and yes everyone else.

Older people who worked their entire lives not only to look after their parents but also to raise their children and provide for the next generation . But nooo - they're all a bunch of selfish old so and so's?

Jesus Chris - I don't know whether to laugh or cry and the stupidity of that comment.

But what is even more gobsmacking is advocating that we all throw caution to the wind - something not even the UK who are miles of ahead in their vaccination schedule are doing.

Afaik construction is one of those sectors which has been listed for reopening in April. Suggesting we let things rip is not going to aid that or any other sector for sure.

If you're worried stay in. I'll drop groceries to your door step every day. I'll even pay for them.
Don't make me or my kids stay in because you're nervous.

gozunda

d161 wrote: »

What is gobsmacking is your selfish attitude. Fcuk the kids to protect the old and vulnerable.

And where my friend is your bizarre twist stated anywhere in my comment?

And me pointing out the fact that what the previous poster who claimed about the 'vulnerable' being already vaccinated - is in fact wrong - is a 'selfish attitude' - Really?

But more importantly those old and medically vulnerable are the grandparents and in some cases the parents, siblings and even some of those kids, teenagers and young adults themselves.

But yeah "fcuk" them all right?

ingo1984

titan18 wrote: »

You could bring a case probably but it'll take so long to get sorted what would be the point.

There is absolutely nothing preventing you from travelling. They already stopped the 2k fine nonsense back in February once the EU commission told them it was against free momement principals of the EU.