COVID-19: Vaccine and testing procedures Megathread Part 3 - Read OP

Bunch of clowns !

Dr Sabine Strauss, chair of the EMA vaccine safety committee, reiterates Cooke’s sentiment over the benefits of the jab and that it has found “no evidence of a quality or a batch issue”. She says individual cases from across Europe of thromboembolic events were investigated that that there is no higher overall risk of such things happening after being vaccinated. In fact, she says it likely reduces the likelihood of these events.

NeuralNetwork wrote: »

One line I’m taking from the press conference is that the EMA notes that because COVID itself causes thrombotic events (blood clots) in many patients the net impact of the vaccine is, ironically, a reduced incident of such events.

We need a better system than falling down like dominos because someone in Norway hit a panic button.

A rare side effect should have triggered an investigation by the EMA for sure, but I think we should be listening to the EMA, which never hit the big red drip button.

The stage we are at and the vaccine in question suggests that it wasn't a terrible call - safety transparency and all that. At the very least some extra guidance may emerge from it but we certainly shouldn't make a habit of it.

Skygord wrote: »

https://twitter.com/jeffmason1/status/1372576853341442051?s=20

Good move if it happens. A more likely decision than allowing AZ to tap them for millions more to complete EU orders.

What a disaster this Astra thing has been.


It has exposed how ridiculous the management of this pandemic has been.

We need to move on.

Can Europe please find a strong leader to put a stop to this joke.

NeuralNetwork wrote: »

We need a better system than falling down like dominos because someone in Norway hit a panic button.

Now that I think of it, it was also from Norway back in January that the panic started about the vaccine potentially killing elderly people. Sounds like something is being lost in translation.

hmmm wrote: »

Now that I think of it, it was also from Norway back in January that the panic started about the vaccine potentially killing elderly people. Sounds like something is being lost in translation.

Indeed they claimed Pfizer was linked to the deaths of a number of older people.

When do people expect us to start administering AZ again? Next few days?

ACitizenErased wrote: »

I'd say they'll wait till Monday and then go full belt

Even that isn't acceptable though, they should be administering it again from tomorrow morning.

Szero wrote: »

Every day helps save lives. Every way to speed up vaccines help. The UK might have surplus doses come late May. Ireland will not have surplus doses then.

It might create a few busy weeks, in late May / early June, for GP's and Pharmacists and vaccination centres but the extended hours will be worth it.

The sooner we get out of this the better. Hopefully MM is actively engaged with Boris on planning around this.

Maybe asking for too much but ... perhaps NI can allow us use their vaccination centres for a couple of weeks too once they are largely finished and we can bus people up there.

Whatever about the rest , why would we be bussing people up north when we will have 38 plus large centres vaccinating in Ireland ?

ninebeanrows wrote: »

Im fairly certain this delay will result in more deaths than without a delay. It is an absolute disgrace what has happened. We all knew the result of this.

Waiting for vaccine approval from MHRA and EMA also resulted in more deaths occurring than may have occurred (again, supply constrained in Europe, so no timeline changes), should we bypass approval as well? It's medicine being rolled out to billions of people, if something doesn't look right, it should be investigated (quickly) and allow people to maintain confidence in the medicine. Success will be judged by getting populations to herd immunity, continuing administering medicine when issues arise reduces confidence which reduces the chances of getting to herd immunity.

ACitizenErased wrote: »

Indeed they claimed Pfizer was linked to the deaths of a number of older people.

I don't believe that is the case, they reported the data (people had died), but that there was no alarm as the people who died were not expected to live for more than a few days.

This also led to an update in vaccine rollout not to give it to people with a life expectancy of less than a few days.

The media reported on it differently of course.

https://docs.google.com/spreadsheets/d/1cUZy6AMCwuA2zhtRuKK7cqMVgmhdDsGsZrFWJTkw9DY/edit?usp=sharing

Cohort 1 looks likes its nearly finished first doses.

Still a bit to go in cohort 2 yet, 240,000 was the total number quoted by Paul Reid today.

irishlad. wrote: »

https://docs.google.com/spreadsheets/d/1cUZy6AMCwuA2zhtRuKK7cqMVgmhdDsGsZrFWJTkw9DY/edit?usp=sharing

Cohort 1 looks likes its nearly finished first doses.

Still a bit to go in cohort 2 yet, 240,000 was the total number quoted by Paul Reid today.

Very useful to have that - difficult to tell otherwise when first doses have ceased for a particular cohort, especially since they changed the HSE inforgraphics.