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COVID-19: Vaccine and testing procedures Megathread Part 3 - Read OP

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No anti-vax stuff in this thread - it's to discuss the various vaccines available and how they are getting rolled out, as well as testing procedures

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brickster69

Bunch of clowns !

Russman

JTMan wrote: »

Yeah, clearly the US are prioritising their neighbours.

The positive is this creates precedent that you help your neighbours when you have surplus doses. Hopefully this increases the chances that the UK will help Ireland when they have surplus vaccines.

Also, the US have helped Asian countries (with money for manufacture) and now have helped the US and Canada. Biden has said that he will help all ally countries, so perhaps the EU are next on the list. Biden could easily help the EU by lifting the export ban.

Agree but I think it will be quite a while before the UK has spare vaccines. They still have to do their second doses, and by the time that comes around we'll likely be up to our necks (figuratively) in vaccines anyway.

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brickster69 wrote: »

Bunch of clowns !

Cogent argument as always

Szero

Russman wrote: »

Agree but I think it will be quite a while before the UK has spare vaccines. They still have to do their second doses, and by the time that comes around we'll likely be up to our necks (figuratively) in vaccines anyway.

Every day helps save lives. Every way to speed up vaccines help. The UK might have surplus doses come late May. Ireland will not have surplus doses then.

It might create a few busy weeks, in late May / early June, for GP's and Pharmacists and vaccination centres but the extended hours will be worth it.

The sooner we get out of this the better. Hopefully MM is actively engaged with Boris on planning around this.

Maybe asking for too much but ... perhaps NI can allow us use their vaccination centres for a couple of weeks too once they are largely finished and we can bus people up there.

NeuralNetwork

One line I’m taking from the press conference is that the EMA notes that because COVID itself causes thrombotic events (blood clots) in many patients the net impact of the vaccine is, ironically, a reduced incident of such events.

We need a better system than falling down like dominos because someone in Norway hit a panic button.

A rare side effect should have triggered an investigation by the EMA for sure, but I think we should be listening to the EMA, which never hit the big red drip button.

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ACitizenErased wrote: »

EMA endorses AZ, benefits outweigh risk and finds no increased risk of clots

Cue posts ranting about why have we not yet caught up the paused doses already

brickster69

Dr Sabine Strauss, chair of the EMA vaccine safety committee, reiterates Cooke’s sentiment over the benefits of the jab and that it has found “no evidence of a quality or a batch issue”. She says individual cases from across Europe of thromboembolic events were investigated that that there is no higher overall risk of such things happening after being vaccinated. In fact, she says it likely reduces the likelihood of these events.

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brickster69 wrote: »

Dr Sabine Strauss, chair of the EMA vaccine safety committee, reiterates Cooke’s sentiment over the benefits of the jab and that it has found “no evidence of a quality or a batch issue”. She says individual cases from across Europe of thromboembolic events were investigated that that there is no higher overall risk of such things happening after being vaccinated. In fact, she says it likely reduces the likelihood of these events.

Not in and of itself - Covid can cause clots, so having the vaccine will prevent covid thus preventing clots due to covid.

is_that_so

NeuralNetwork wrote: »

One line I’m taking from the press conference is that the EMA notes that because COVID itself causes thrombotic events (blood clots) in many patients the net impact of the vaccine is, ironically, a reduced incident of such events.

We need a better system than falling down like dominos because someone in Norway hit a panic button.

A rare side effect should have triggered an investigation by the EMA for sure, but I think we should be listening to the EMA, which never hit the big red drip button.

The stage we are at and the vaccine in question suggests that it wasn't a terrible call - safety transparency and all that. At the very least some extra guidance may emerge from it but we certainly shouldn't make a habit of it.

Skygord

ACitizenErased wrote: »

Biden has already said no way to exporting

https://twitter.com/jeffmason1/status/1372576853341442051?s=20

is_that_so

Skygord wrote: »

https://twitter.com/jeffmason1/status/1372576853341442051?s=20

Good move if it happens. A more likely decision than allowing AZ to tap them for millions more to complete EU orders.

JTMan

Fauci has said that children aged 12-15 will be vaccinated in August in the US. They will get their first dose before they return to school. i.e. secondary school children.

Fauci has also said that elementary/primary school children will be vaccinated in Q1 2022 in the US.

He accepts that it is likely to be difficult to get to herd immunity without children been vaccinated.

I would guess that timelines would be similar here.

ninebeanrows

What a disaster this Astra thing has been.

It has exposed how ridiculous the management of this pandemic has been.

We need to move on.

Can Europe please find a strong leader to put a stop to this joke.

Amirani

ninebeanrows wrote: »

What a disaster this Astra thing has been.

It has exposed how ridiculous the management of this pandemic has been.

We need to move on.

Can Europe please find a strong leader to put a stop to this joke.

However strong Europe's leader is on this, they're not going to stop national regulators and national Governments from making their own decisions on healthcare and thus vaccine administration. It's not the EU's responsibility.

hmmm

NeuralNetwork wrote: »

We need a better system than falling down like dominos because someone in Norway hit a panic button.

Now that I think of it, it was also from Norway back in January that the panic started about the vaccine potentially killing elderly people. Sounds like something is being lost in translation.

ninebeanrows

Im fairly certain this delay will result in more deaths than without a delay. It is an absolute disgrace what has happened. We all knew the result of this.

ACitizenErased

hmmm wrote: »

Now that I think of it, it was also from Norway back in January that the panic started about the vaccine potentially killing elderly people. Sounds like something is being lost in translation.

Indeed they claimed Pfizer was linked to the deaths of a number of older people.

ACitizenErased

Italy has announced it will resume AZ vaccinations tomorrow

Deeper Blue

When do people expect us to start administering AZ again? Next few days?

ACitizenErased

Deeper Blue wrote: »

When do people expect us to start administering AZ again? Next few days?

I'd say they'll wait till Monday and then go full belt

Monster249

ACitizenErased wrote: »

I'd say they'll wait till Monday and then go full belt

Even that isn't acceptable though, they should be administering it again from tomorrow morning.

ACitizenErased

Monster249 wrote: »

Even that isn't acceptable though, they should be administering it again from tomorrow morning.

We run in weekly vaccine cycles. You can't just screw the other delivery schedules and throw AZ in there in the morning. Will have to wait till the start of the next cycle, which is Monday.

Goldengirl

Szero wrote: »

Every day helps save lives. Every way to speed up vaccines help. The UK might have surplus doses come late May. Ireland will not have surplus doses then.

It might create a few busy weeks, in late May / early June, for GP's and Pharmacists and vaccination centres but the extended hours will be worth it.

The sooner we get out of this the better. Hopefully MM is actively engaged with Boris on planning around this.

Maybe asking for too much but ... perhaps NI can allow us use their vaccination centres for a couple of weeks too once they are largely finished and we can bus people up there.

Whatever about the rest , why would we be bussing people up north when we will have 38 plus large centres vaccinating in Ireland ?

is_that_so

hmmm wrote: »

Now that I think of it, it was also from Norway back in January that the panic started about the vaccine potentially killing elderly people. Sounds like something is being lost in translation.

In Norway people are obsessed with everything being completely safe, so this is really no surprise.

astrofool

ninebeanrows wrote: »

Im fairly certain this delay will result in more deaths than without a delay. It is an absolute disgrace what has happened. We all knew the result of this.

Waiting for vaccine approval from MHRA and EMA also resulted in more deaths occurring than may have occurred (again, supply constrained in Europe, so no timeline changes), should we bypass approval as well? It's medicine being rolled out to billions of people, if something doesn't look right, it should be investigated (quickly) and allow people to maintain confidence in the medicine. Success will be judged by getting populations to herd immunity, continuing administering medicine when issues arise reduces confidence which reduces the chances of getting to herd immunity.

ACitizenErased wrote: »

Indeed they claimed Pfizer was linked to the deaths of a number of older people.

I don't believe that is the case, they reported the data (people had died), but that there was no alarm as the people who died were not expected to live for more than a few days.

This also led to an update in vaccine rollout not to give it to people with a life expectancy of less than a few days.

The media reported on it differently of course.

Goldengirl

is_that_so wrote: »

In Norway people are obsessed with everything being completely safe, so this is really no surprise.

Yes, those silly Norwegians

irishlad.

https://docs.google.com/spreadsheets/d/1cUZy6AMCwuA2zhtRuKK7cqMVgmhdDsGsZrFWJTkw9DY/edit?usp=sharing

Cohort 1 looks likes its nearly finished first doses.

Still a bit to go in cohort 2 yet, 240,000 was the total number quoted by Paul Reid today.

Monster249

ACitizenErased wrote: »

We run in weekly vaccine cycles. You can't just screw the other delivery schedules and throw AZ in there in the morning. Will have to wait till the start of the next cycle, which is Monday.

Then pay a delivery company to deliver them? They don't have any problems with distribution that money can't fix and given the seemingly never-ending amount they're willing to borrow, that's not an excuse.

Apogee

irishlad. wrote: »

https://docs.google.com/spreadsheets/d/1cUZy6AMCwuA2zhtRuKK7cqMVgmhdDsGsZrFWJTkw9DY/edit?usp=sharing

Cohort 1 looks likes its nearly finished first doses.

Still a bit to go in cohort 2 yet, 240,000 was the total number quoted by Paul Reid today.

Very useful to have that - difficult to tell otherwise when first doses have ceased for a particular cohort, especially since they changed the HSE inforgraphics.

ACitizenErased

Monster249 wrote: »

Then pay a delivery company to deliver them? They don't have any problems with distribution that money can't fix and given the seemingly never-ending amount they're willing to borrow, that's not an excuse.

Okay you notify all 5000 people tonight so for their appointments in the morning