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COVID-19: Vaccine and testing procedures Megathread Part 3 - Read OP

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  • #5402
    Danno
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 8,913 ✭✭✭Danno


    timsey tiger wrote: »
    You can get beer in an off licence, you know.

    I know! But "get a free six-pack of Dutch Gold with your vax" in the local Carry-Out, Tescos or SuperValu wouldn't entice too many - whereas a few free draught pints in the local is a much better proposition! :pac:


  • #5403
    eviltimeban
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 5,137 ✭✭✭eviltimeban


    Danno wrote: »
    I know! But "get a free six-pack of Dutch Gold with your vax" in the local Carry-Out, Tescos or SuperValu wouldn't entice too many - whereas a few free draught pints in the local is a much better proposition! :pac:

    Pretty sure off licences sell nicer beers than Dutch Gold.


  • #5404
    The HorsesMouth
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 515 ✭✭✭The HorsesMouth


    Danno wrote: »
    How can we do this with the pubs closed? The dogs on the street know that the pubs will not open until at least after the August Bank Holiday weekend, and even at that it could be September!!!

    Why would you think that if wet pubs are opening in Scotland on April 26th?
    You think when we have the same percentage of our people vaccinated as they do then that publicans/people/politicians will not want them open? I think wet pubs will be open after June bank holiday personally.


  • #5405
    funnydoggy
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,065 ✭✭✭funnydoggy


    Another reason I can't wait for things to go back to normal - so we can stop using the term "wet pub" :pac: :pac:


  • #5406
    timsey tiger
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,599 ✭✭✭timsey tiger


    Danno wrote: »
    I know! But "get a free six-pack of Dutch Gold with your vax" in the local Carry-Out, Tescos or SuperValu wouldn't entice too many - whereas a few free draught pints in the local is a much better proposition! :pac:

    Meh, personally I think that everybody under 40 without underlying medical conditions should get €100. To do what they wish with.


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  • #5407
    JTMan
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 5,581 ✭✭✭JTMan


    Danno wrote: »
    I know! But "get a free six-pack of Dutch Gold with your vax" in the local Carry-Out, Tescos or SuperValu wouldn't entice too many - whereas a few free draught pints in the local is a much better proposition! :pac:

    Ha! I would hope that by July pubs will be open but if not surely pubs that serve food and outdoor dining will be open. Free pint and pizza, for those who have not yet actively got the vaccine, who then get a jab, in July can be done.


  • #5408
    [Deleted User]
    Posts: 543 ✭✭✭ [Deleted User]


    https://www.biorxiv.org/content/10.1101/2021.03.12.435194v1

    A new study looking into antibody evasion by the P.1 variant. It shows that despite having similar mutations it is significantly less resistant to neutralization by naturally acquired and vaccine induced immunity than B.1.351. Titres were actually more comparable to those of B.1.1.7.

    Neutralization titres against P.1 were similar to those against B.1.1.7 and only a minority of samples failed to reach 100% neutralization at 1:20 dilution of serum, considerably better than neutralization of B.1.351, where titres were reduced 7.6-fold and 9-fold for the BNT162b2 Pfizer and ChAdOx1 nCoV-19 AstraZeneca vaccines respectively


  • #5409
    JTMan
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 5,581 ✭✭✭JTMan


    The level of "never jabbers" in the US is frightening as the Economist reports here (paywall).

    - 25% of adults or roughly 66m Americans, insist that they will not get the coronavirus vaccine. This figure has held more or less steady for months.
    - Additional 18% "not sure".
    - "Never jabbers" tend to be younger, poorer, less educated and more religious.
    - Eight in ten never-jabbers endorse at least one mis-information theory.

    Shocking that 25%-43% will refuse a vaccine in the US.

    The US will have surplus vaccines sooner than expected because of the "never jabbers". Biden says that all Americans adults will have access to a vaccine by 1 May, but realistically it will be sooner. Some states are on down to those aged 40+ and some planning to open Covid-19 vaccines to everyone 16+ by 5 April.

    Strategy must be to incentivise the "not sures" / "could not be bothered" and try to educate the "never jabbers".


  • #5410
    IRISHSPORTSGUY
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,276 ✭✭✭IRISHSPORTSGUY


    EU considering blocking Pfizer vaccines to UK if it doesn't reciprocate in sending AZ doses

    https://threadreaderapp.com/thread/1372158011377123333.html


  • #5411
    RavenBea17b
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 318 ✭✭RavenBea17b


    So, Pfizer are meeting the EU capacity and EC (UvDL) has stated all means at disposal to block export to UK. HHmmm. Sooooooo, what does that mean - after all - are Pfizer not upping capacity again. If AZ do indeed get Halix approved for EU usage, what then excuse ??

    Its a sorry state of affairs. Plus EU cannot then claim 'moral' point..... I really worry this is going to turn nasty....

    India has already stated that supply chain for creating serum is a concern (due US and others). UK supplies an ingredient for Pfizer (amongst others). Does this mean that proof that Pfizer will have to prove to EC that they are not delivering and so export ban is valid??
    Hhmmm.


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  • #5412
    Marhay70
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,929 ✭✭✭Marhay70


    JTMan wrote: »
    Ha! I would hope that by July pubs will be open but if not surely pubs that serve food and outdoor dining will be open. Free pint and pizza, for those who have not yet actively got the vaccine, who then get a jab, in July can be done.


    Nothing beats having worthwhile goals in life.


  • #5413
    timsey tiger
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,599 ✭✭✭timsey tiger


    IRISHSPORTSGUY wrote: »
    EU considering blocking Pfizer vaccines to UK if it doesn't reciprocate in sending AZ doses

    https://threadreaderapp.com/thread/1372158011377123333.html

    I wonder if Von der Leyen has thought this through. Does she want to be that german that bans vaccine exports to Israel. They are saying considering a ban on exports to countries with higher vaccination rates. I'm assuming that the Israeli pfizer jabs are from the EU factories.


  • #5414
    RavenBea17b
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 318 ✭✭RavenBea17b


    timsey tiger wrote: »
    I wonder if Von der Leyen has thought this through. Does she want to be that german that bans vaccine exports to Israel. They are saying considering a ban on exports to countries with higher vaccination rates. I'm assuming that the Israeli pfizer jabs are from the EU factories.

    And, so would that also mean, internally to EU? France has a significantly lower rate, Netherlands, etc - does this mean that Italy, Denmark, Germany will have supplies 'slowed' - or does the text refer to external to EC only - this includes EEC/EEA Iceland, Norway, Switzerland.
    Where does it stop ?


  • #5415
    Russman
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 5,995 ✭✭✭Russman


    timsey tiger wrote: »
    I wonder if Von der Leyen has thought this through. Does she want to be that german that bans vaccine exports to Israel. They are saying considering a ban on exports to countries with higher vaccination rates. I'm assuming that the Israeli pfizer jabs are from the EU factories.

    If it means getting Europeans vaccinated quicker then who really cares what the Israelis think ? I’m all for good international relations, but it’s time the EU flexed a bit of muscle (if it’s possible).


  • #5416
    timsey tiger
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,599 ✭✭✭timsey tiger


    RavenBea17b wrote: »
    And, so would that also mean, internally to EU? France has a significantly lower rate, Netherlands, etc - does this mean that Italy, Denmark, Germany will have supplies 'slowed' - or does the text refer to external to EC only - this includes EEC/EEA Iceland, Norway, Switzerland.
    Where does it stop ?

    No


  • #5417
    Danzy
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 15,068 ✭✭✭✭Danzy


    timsey tiger wrote: »
    I wonder if Von der Leyen has thought this through. Does she want to be that german that bans vaccine exports to Israel. They are saying considering a ban on exports to countries with higher vaccination rates. I'm assuming that the Israeli pfizer jabs are from the EU factories.

    It is like the protocol issue by VDL for the 6 counties.

    It's just thrown out there, no contemplation on it, good or bad.

    If it is done let it be thought out and planned.


  • #5418
    timsey tiger
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,599 ✭✭✭timsey tiger


    Russman wrote: »
    If it means getting Europeans vaccinated quicker then who really cares what the Israelis think ? I’m all for good international relations, but it’s time the EU flexed a bit of muscle (if it’s possible).

    Long over due, what is the point in power if you don't abuse it?


  • #5419
    Apogee
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 3,899 ✭✭✭Apogee


    https://twitter.com/newschambers/status/1372150312316833798

    Here the original source for above (annoying how journalists don't cite sources):
    https://www.gov.ie/en/press-release/4f48c-update-on-covid-19-vaccine-deliveries-17-march-2021/

    As of 14th March vs target for March 31st/Q1:
    Pfizer 511,290/690,300 = 74%
    Moderna 40,800/109,200 = 37%
    AZ 206,400/377,000* = 54%

    Total 758,490/1,176,500=64%

    *AZ target revised downward from 449,028 to 377,000.


  • #5420
    Danzy
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 15,068 ✭✭✭✭Danzy


    Russman wrote: »
    If it means getting Europeans vaccinated quicker then who really cares what the Israelis think ? I’m all for good international relations, but it’s time the EU flexed a bit of muscle (if it’s possible).

    Israel has nearly vaccinated everyone who wants it, so it won't hit them, or really affect the yanks or Brits.

    If the EU took it seriously, was proactive, it would mean more done globally in the remainder of the year.


  • #5421
    Melanchthon
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,116 ✭✭✭Melanchthon


    Danzy wrote: »
    Israel has nearly vaccinated everyone who wants it, so it won't hit them, or really affect the yanks or Brits.

    A Pfizer export ban would definitely impact the UK significantly


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  • #5422
    Wolf359f
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 6,567 ✭✭✭Wolf359f


    Danzy wrote: »
    Israel has nearly vaccinated everyone who wants it, so it won't hit them, or really affect the yanks or Brits.

    If the EU took it seriously, was proactive, it would mean more done globally in the remainder of the year.

    It would really affect the UK, they still need over 10mil Pfizer doses for the second dose.

    Israel does not manufacturer any covid vaccines, so any ban would not affect them.


  • #5423
    Ficheall
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 9,042 ✭✭✭Ficheall


    Szero wrote: »
    Assuming we get 82% of adults vaccinated by the end of June, what happens in July? Do we start speeding up second doses? i.e. not having people wait 12 weeks for the second dose of AZ etc?
    No one is seriously pretending we'll have 82% by end of June, are they?? :eek:


  • #5424
    Gile_na_gile
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 451 ✭✭Gile_na_gile


    Ficheall wrote: »
    No one is seriously pretending we'll have 82% by end of June, are they?? :eek:


    The dialogue is shifting towards the "end of the summer" for the EU as a whole, but I have not seen any expanded timetables. So far, looking like we will reach or get close to the original target anyway of 70% FD by end of June.


    So anybody, the 10million doses mostly to the UK UvdL talked about was Pfizer doses? Therefore no further Halix AZ exports to the UK since Jan?


  • #5425
    political analyst
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 5,062 ✭✭✭political analyst


    https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-9366963/Coronavirus-Pfizers-Covid-vaccine-linked-blood-clots-AstraZenecas-UK.html
    Pfizer's Covid vaccine has been linked to more blood clots than AstraZeneca's in reports from the UK, statistics show amid Europe's 'baffling' mass revolt against the Oxford jab.

    Fourteen countries across the continent have now turned their backs on the Oxford University jab in a knee-jerk reaction over unproven blood clot fears, including France, Italy, Germany and Spain.

    So why are EU countries not also halting use of the Pfizer vaccine?

    Is there a political motive to those countries' decision not halt use of the AZ vaccine?

    It cannot be a co-incidence that the vaccine at the centre of the blood-clot fear is the one that was created in Britain.


  • #5426
    Wolf359f
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 6,567 ✭✭✭Wolf359f


    Gile_na_gile wrote: »
    The dialogue is shifting towards the "end of the summer" for the EU as a whole, but I have not seen any expanded timetables. So far, looking like we will reach or get close to the original target anyway of 70% FD by end of June.


    So anybody, the 10million doses mostly to the UK UvdL talked about was Pfizer doses? Therefore no further Halix AZ exports to the UK since Jan?
    I think the 10mil up to the end of Jan was both Pfizer and AZ. When the export controls came in, it looks like no AZ were even asked to be exported to the UK and the halix plant has been just stockpiling them while not seeking approval from the EU to use the plant for EU production.

    In Feb 8mil Pfizer doses were exported to the UK. So it could be upwards of 18mil doses exported from the EU to the UK up to the end of Feb.


  • #5427
    Wolf359f
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 6,567 ✭✭✭Wolf359f


    political analyst wrote: »
    https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-9366963/Coronavirus-Pfizers-Covid-vaccine-linked-blood-clots-AstraZenecas-UK.html



    So why are EU countries not also halting use of the Pfizer vaccine?

    Is there a political motive to those countries' decision not halt use of the AZ vaccine?

    It cannot be a co-incidence that the vaccine at the centre of the blood-clot fear is the one that was created in Britain.
    It's the type of blood clot, cerebral something or other, which is about 6 times more common in people vaccinated with AZ than people unvaccinated or vaccinated with Pfizer.


  • #5428
    RavenBea17b
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 318 ✭✭RavenBea17b


    Wolf359f wrote: »
    It's the type of blood clot, cerebral something or other, which is about 6 times more common in people vaccinated with AZ than people unvaccinated or vaccinated with Pfizer.

    I think I read somewhere, that a study was being looked at covid and blood clots in general.

    I think the EU have a portal for side effects, but last time I looked I couldn't get down to the detail detail - it was at summary or thrombosis etc.
    Anyone have a link, including Norway and Iceland etc.
    Thanks


  • #5429
    IRISHSPORTSGUY
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,276 ✭✭✭IRISHSPORTSGUY


    timsey tiger wrote: »
    I wonder if Von der Leyen has thought this through. Does she want to be that german that bans vaccine exports to Israel. They are saying considering a ban on exports to countries with higher vaccination rates. I'm assuming that the Israeli pfizer jabs are from the EU factories.

    Interfering with the biz of private companies certainly isn't a good look. Soviet Union-esq. The bloc should've went with a protectionist approach from the very beginning like the US and no contracts would be broken. Or at least kept the moral high ground with the slower yet more internationalist approach.

    Ursula has been a disaster of a President tbh.


  • #5430
    Ficheall
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 9,042 ✭✭✭Ficheall


    Gile_na_gile wrote: »
    The dialogue is shifting towards the "end of the summer" for the EU as a whole, but I have not seen any expanded timetables. So far, looking like we will reach or get close to the original target anyway of 70% FD by end of June.
    Ah, I see the 82% in a news article now - sorry for thinking you were imagining things!
    Same article also says 1.25 million by end of March, which would be ~630k over the next 2 weeks (vs. ~620k so far this year), so presumably they're not still hoping for that.


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  • #5431
    KrustyUCC
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 6,087 ✭✭✭KrustyUCC


    Vaccine target of over 85,000 reached last week despite only 301 jabs on Sunday
    9.5% of the population have now received at least one dose.

    In total, 85,869 doses were administered over the course of the week, exceeding the target of 84,166 the HSE had set out for the week.

    In total, only 301 vaccine doses were administered on Sunday. Sunday is the slowest day for vaccinations, with 1,375 doses administered on the Sunday previous and 2,462 the week before that.

    https://www.thejournal.ie/vaccines-ireland-5383977-Mar2021/

    We seem to have a 140,000 doses in stock

    When AZ gets back being used next week (assumption on my part) we definitely need to sort Sunday figures going forward

    Each day is crucial


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