Exit Strategy

tom1ie wrote: »

So as long as the Eu keep propping up our government by lending money, what we see now is our strategy going forward.

it would likely be our strategy going forward regardless as it's the least risky and least damaging one unfortunately.

Hobgoblin11 wrote: »

GOING for herd immunity is immoral

and that's the least of it's problems.
along with the payback being nill for much much higher risks to everything over all.
which shows really it is a ridiculous strategy which barely any country is attempting, even the fabled sweeden.

Mr. Karate wrote: »

They were talking about a 3rd one this morning. The fix is definitely in. Its crazy how the Irish are willing to roll over and let Ireland be destroyed by these traitors.

destroyed? hardly.
the country is mostly working away, only small low contributing parts are suffering but at least it will be temporary.
if we had threw open the doors as people like you want chances are the damage would be permanent and for a lot more.

GazzaL wrote: »

Today marks exactly 5 months since I posted this. It also happens to be my most thanked post.

It's as true now as it was back then. I wish it wasn't.

Thankfully, an increasing majority of people see the situation for what it is.

Visit friends and family, have a BBQ, have a few drinks, enjoy the good weather, go to the beach, go somewhere scenic, whatever floats your boat.

It's time to get rid of the snakes.

Have a great St. Patrick's Day!

Any prediction for the next five months?

Oranage2 wrote: »

Any prediction for the next five months?

More and more people will ignore the restrictions, hundreds of thousands of people are already done with them. NPHET and the Government will drag their heels, but ultimately they will be dragged back to reality because they will be swimming against the tide.

Jim2007 wrote: »

Just because people agree with you does not make something true. And expecting anyone to come up with an exit strategy for a pandemic is not very realistic, just as expecting to return to the old normal after a life changing event is.

And as evidenced on a daily basis most people take the minimum risk necessary to get on with life rather than the maximum allowed. Unfortunately there are some self centered people around who don’t seem to have any qualms about putting their friends and community at risk for no good reason other than selfishness.

Now just like everyone else you have no idea of the long term consequences of having had this virus are. And taking unnecessary risks when a solution is at hand does not seem to be very smart.

So go visit friends, have that BBQ etc but don’t be under any illusions that you’re doing the right thing or that you’re behavior is acceptable to the community at large.

The UK have an exit strategy. They've published a plan with set milestones and dates to return to normality. You might not like it, but there's no need to tell blatant lies.

GazzaL wrote:

Visit friends and family, have a BBQ, have a few drinks, enjoy the good weather, go to the beach, go somewhere scenic, whatever floats your boat.

Twud hardly overwhelm the health system, would it?

prunudo wrote: »

Unfortunately a lot has happened in those 5 months. We are in a far better place now than 10 weeks ago but are we better than when you posted your initial post, probably but I don't know.

There is only so long that nphet can command the room, a lot people have now become weary of their constant concern, whether its 6k cases or 400 cases a day. This is obvious with the movement of people, they've made their own risk assessment and are they're now willing to visit friends or family.

I had said before that the public will give it till March 5th and after that any further compliance would be based on good will, that is now baring fruit and I believe the same will happen after April 5th. The big question is at what point businesses will starting pushing the boundaries.

Businesses are starting the push the boundaries now as well. One business that I heard had been shut down by the Gardaí have announced today that they are open for business from tomorrow. Not naming names, but they are a very well known business, particularly in Dublin.

Loafing Oaf wrote: »

First of all, thanks for reviving my long-dormant thread:p



The kind of quiet, under-the-radar disregard of restrictions will not cause the government to repeal; that's not how these things work. The only effect that will have is to maintain the spread of the virus at moderately high levels, thereby postponing the sunstantial opening up of society until there is mass vaccination.

People have been given your message for over a year. Increasingly large numbers of people no longer buy into that narrative and are deciding to ignore the restrictions. There is no going backwards now.

All the business groups and associations need to start ramping up the pressure big time on this limp-wristed Govt. It's the only credible voice that cannot be dis-regarded by mainstream media as far-right / left nutjobs.

They've all held up their end of the bargain. But after a year of restrictions, there is no such thing as "non-essential trips or businesses". Everything is essential by now. People are ready to live again. No more pretending.

I also find it pathetic that no one in authority is having an honest conversation about the likely economic cost of these restrictions. This **** ain't free. The UK had their Budget announcement a few weeks ago and they were quite blunt about the need to start raising taxes to plug the hole in their public finances...

Deleted User wrote: »

The government and NPHET could have solved a lot of problems by simply allowing some small freedoms such as scrapping the 5km and allowing click and collect etc.

But they gave nothing and lost people

they would have had some people not run amuck at christmas meaning we ended up with the highest rate of cases in the world afterwords.
the only people they have "lost" are the minority they never really had.
the majority of us are winning this and people like you have lost, as it should be.
no government was ever going to give in to people like yourself as it would be dangerous.

Deleted User wrote: »

It’s a real mess we find ourselves in. NPHET earn 6 figure salaries and their only remit is Covid. Their only solution so far has been severe lockdown until there is a vaccine and most of the country are vaccinated.

It was up to our elected leaders in government to look at the full picture. But they got absolutely annihilated by the media and hysteria brigade any time they dared go against NPHET.

So now we have a situation were nobody wants responsibility while the country crashes and burns.

lock down has been proven to be the only solution and countries who have engaged in it have been proven correct.
nphet are the national public health emergency team, therefore their focus was going to be public health during a major emergency.
the government looked at the full picture and decided what you wanted would have failed so badly that it would have been beyond dangerous, so they listened to the experts mostly, and when they deviated, eventually realised the experts were right.
there is no hysteria brigade, it's a myth.

GazzaL wrote: »

Businesses are starting the push the boundaries now as well. One business that I heard had been shut down by the Gardaí have announced today that they are open for business from tomorrow. Not naming names, but they are a very well known business, particularly in Dublin.

and they will be shut down either by the end of the day, or the next day.
and because they have refused to obey the instructions of a garda ultimately, they will probably be in actual trouble this time.

GazzaL wrote: »

People have been given your message for over a year. Increasingly large numbers of people no longer buy into that narrative and are deciding to ignore the restrictions. There is no going backwards now.

the government are not going to give in to the minority who think the restrictions don't apply to them.
it's not going to happen, no matter how much you want it, because if they give in on this, those people will push the boundaries further on other issues.

end of the road wrote: »

they would have had some people not run amuck at christmas meaning we ended up with the highest rate of cases in the world afterwords.
the only people they have "lost" are the minority they never really had.
the majority of us are winning this and people like you have lost, as it should be.
no government was ever going to give in to people like yourself as it would be dangerous.




lock down has been proven to be the only solution and countries who have engaged in it have been proven correct.
nphet are the national public health emergency team, therefore their focus was going to be public health during a major emergency.
the government looked at the full picture and decided what you wanted would have failed so badly that it would have been beyond dangerous, so they listened to the experts mostly, and when they deviated, eventually realised the experts were right.
there is no hysteria brigade, it's a myth.




and they will be shut down either by the end of the day, or the next day.
and because they have refused to obey the instructions of a garda ultimately, they will probably be in actual trouble this time.





the government are not going to give in to the minority who think the restrictions don't apply to them.
it's not going to happen, no matter how much you want it, because if they give in on this, those people will push the boundaries further on other issues.

Your whole post smacks of desperation.

The business in question has learned their lesson the first time and they will not be shut down again.

It's as clear as day that increasing numbers of people have had enough of being locked down, being talked down to, being repeatedly blamed for spreading COVID (while NPHET are apparently infallible), being unable to see family and friends, being unable to earn a living, being unable to travel further than 5km from their homes, etc.

You can't deny the will of the people. "Lockdown forever" is not, and never has been, an acceptable solution. If you want to stay in lockdown mode, nobody has a problem with that, but it's outrageous to demand everyone else gives up their lives.

RGS wrote: »

That's nonsense. We have borrowed around 50 billion to paper over this covid crisis. This is on top of the billions borrowed as a result of the 2008 crash.

We have to re pay this money and we might get away without tax increases or service reductions in the October budget we wont have that luxury in october 2022.

This is not free money from the magic money tree.

It's truly amazing that the pro lockdown crowd still claim that it's free money while our neighbours in the UK are openly talking about the hundreds of billions it has cost them! They're increasing their corporation tax to pay for it.

Bare-faced lies and ignorance.