Are we there yet? Your second Travel Megathread (threadbans in OP}

https://twitter.com/aidankillian/status/1370037982061821956

As much as I want to travel, this kind of carry on from this monkey drives me up the wall.

Him throwing his "right" around like a privileged idiot. Is he aware that they are companies and have their own rules? Imagine waltzing up with a knife saying it was your right to travel with it.

Plumbthedepths wrote: »

Most likely Government under advice from Nphet will dismiss the idea of a Green cert.

Nphet have already threw the toys out of the pram “ now is not the time to be thinking of health passports” or something like that, not sure exact words.

JTMan wrote: »

FT reporting here (paywall) on new Covid-19 certificate to allow EU citizens to travel inside the bloc.

- "Digital green certificate” to be created that would allow vaccinated and non-vaccinated citizens to travel to other member states and not be forced to quarantine on arrival.
- Granted to citizens who had either proof of vaccination, a negative Covid-19 test, or proof of recovery from the virus.
- All vaccines approved by the European Medicines Agency should be automatically recognised by other member states under the certificate.
-EU governments would also be able to strike bilateral travel agreements with non-EU countries

Any mention of children? Age for pcr etc?

The times have the story now

https://www.irishtimes.com/business/transport-and-tourism/commission-to-propose-covid-certificate-to-allow-eu-wide-travel-1.4512300?mode=amp

Looking like all countries will have the same rules, the non essential travel fine will have to go, otherwise tourists will be entering Ireland using the cert but Irish people being fined for trying to leave.

fm wrote: »

The times have the story now

https://www.irishtimes.com/business/transport-and-tourism/commission-to-propose-covid-certificate-to-allow-eu-wide-travel-1.4512300?mode=amp

Looking like all countries will have the same rules, the non essential travel fine will have to go, otherwise tourists will be entering Ireland using the cert but Irish people being fined for trying to leave.

I certainly would take a positive from that article especially the last line:

The EU’s proposal is subject to agreement from a majority of member states and the European Parliament.

If this backwater here doesn't agree, chances are that the much more progressive countries in the EU will. And it should, at the very least, get rid of the fines.

The tone on this thread lately has been pessimistic about travel, which is very understandable. But I really can't see how those outlandish and anti freedom of movement fines could last when the tourist season gets underway.

Great to read in the article of tourist groups being busy lobbying. Not here in Ireland no doubt where we've been bullied into compliance with whatever NPHET is having. But there is hope that the more enlightened EU might wake us all up! It wouldn't be the first time.

This is very promising. NPHET about to have a sh1t attack.

I really hope it doesn’t go the way of last summer’s traffic light system.

RobitTV wrote: »

I think it'll be 2100 personally.

We're at a crossroads. The next 79 years are crucial

Tenzor07 wrote: »

Sounds like there's a lot of work to do here, the bit here about "proof of recovery from the virus." how the heck are you supposed to get that? All you get from the HSE is an SMS message to say Positive or Negative, doesn't tell you anything else at all...

Plus what if you have Chinese Citizens who wish to travel within Europe, will the EU limit restriction free travel for those who have the Sinopharm vaccine?

As far as I know all anyone who's been lucky enough to get vaccinated don't get an official Government certificate(?) and if they do then how will they exchange that for a digitally signed cert approved by the EU?

Not to mention U16's who can't yet get a vaccine, will mean millions of families can't travel either..

It's going to effectively restriction 10's of millions of EU citizens from moving around the bloc due to the glacial pace of the vaccine rollout... UK citizens may have the beaches of Spain to themselves and the locals this Summer...

Negative PCR test will be involved as well, not just being vaccinated.

acequion wrote: »

Good for you! However, one thing I'm not doing until much closer to the date, is booking. Flight disruptions and cancellations were de rigeur even before the Govt/Nphet really tightened the noose and I'd imagine it could get chaotic. I can't see prices being bad as the bulk of the population still won't be back travelling this summer. Personally, I'm open to travelling out of any airport but hopefully not as far up as Belfast. And I'm hoping to get out twice, June and August. Now only two of us and just me on one of those occasions which makes it easier than for people with a family. I hugely sympathise with families, most of whom probably won't get away unless they're ok with the test costs. But big cheer for those moving as it's keeping connectivity alive. And bigger cheer for the EU!

Thanks, we don’t have too much to lose financially, everything is booked since last December, flights €600/700 are vouchers from cancelled flights last year, hotel ( 5* AI) & car hire is paid on arrival with free cancellation 24hrs before arriving so not too bad but three of us travelling so a potential fine of thousands would rule us out

Having said that, & I’d consider myself quite conservative in many ways & was pretty compliant all the way through, I definitely see a change in people’s attitudes generally to the restrictions, the roads in Limerick are pretty busy, doubt they are all essential journeys, a cancer survivor in her 60’s that I know personally got her hair done today by a hairdresser operating out of her home, we bought a new vehicle last week, two separate test drives & paperwork time, having to wear a mask was the only restriction, the 5k excercise rule is being routinely ignored, plenty of late teens / early 20’s meeting up for outdoor public drinking, a large cohort are just making their own decisions & doing their own thing now & I’m sure this is going on country wide, the government & Nphet have understandably lost the dressing room now with a significant number, there is only so much misery people can take on a daily basis, we’ve been unaffected financially, both of us have worked all through the pandemic but many have been really significantly affected, time to REALLY start LIVING with covid now

Tazz T wrote: »

Official announcement on Wednesday. Will be in place before the end of May. Ireland will have to tow the line or be a backward backwater for the second year in a row.

Not saying pro or con but it's a Justice and Home Affairs matter so Ireland has an opt out (opt-in) under the Treaties

acequion wrote: »

Good for you! However, one thing I'm not doing until much closer to the date, is booking. Flight disruptions and cancellations were de rigeur even before the Govt/Nphet really tightened the noose and I'd imagine it could get chaotic. I can't see prices being bad as the bulk of the population still won't be back travelling this summer. Personally, I'm open to travelling out of any airport but hopefully not as far up as Belfast. And I'm hoping to get out twice, June and August. Now only two of us and just me on one of those occasions which makes it easier than for people with a family. I hugely sympathise with families, most of whom probably won't get away unless they're ok with the test costs. But big cheer for those moving as it's keeping connectivity alive. And bigger cheer for the EU!

I think it is dishonest to be on here cheering on and encouraging others to risk their money (and annual leave) if you are not willing to risk your own. Most people don't have the luxury of a guaranteed 3 months of fully paid leisure time in the Summer. Some people will have to book their leave well in advance and may not be able to change it.

Articles like this must scare the bejesus out of our Govt . Over 500 flights extra as soon as there is a chink of light !!
Another interesting article here on covid tourism ( avoidance ) to Madrid here.
Meanwhile it's to early to talk about staycations here....

Booked to Malaga on the 16th July for 3 weeks. Can't wait to escape the yellow signs and the negativity

Ursula von der Leyen held a press conference on Digital Green Certificates for free and safe movement in the EU.

The FT lead with Digital Green Certificates today.

Digital Green Certificates are happening.

https://twitter.com/vonderleyen/status/1372155232449347584